I don't think I can ever trust a Republican again....

[kentuck]

And I'm usually a very trusting person. However, look at the mess they have gotten us into. No use to tippytoe around it. Republican voters have us in this mess. And if I were them, I would not want to take responsibility either. Look at the people that have died. They cannot wash their hands of what is going on in this country. We are responsible for our actions, even if that action is a simple vote. Just because they are gullible or naive does not excuse their guilt. How do you feel about Republicans today as opposed to only five years ago?

[MarvinBarns]

1. Manslaughter

Those who voted for Bush Cheney squeal all the louder because they know they are guilty.

[MadisonProgressive]

2. I used to think they were just morons, now I think they are also MORANS!

[blm]

3. Warren Rudman....that's it.

.

[cynatnite]

4. There were a few I used to actually respect...

now, I can't think of one I actually like...well, Arlen Specter I respect...that's it.

[warrens]

5. It was never a "simple" vote

It was a nasty, selfish, bigoted, angry, thuggish vote. It was their way to say fuck you to the people who, in their sick minds, were victimizing them.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. They have been no good since before the depression

They were against the new deal, civil rights, medicare, and on and on. It isn't a matter of 5 years it's more like 100 years.

[ArkDem]

7. Every one of them should be tried for murder.

[Zinfandel]

8. Please tell us why you ever trusted them before?

You must have known what republican ideology was/is?

That has never changed and never will...Republican ideology has always been based on greed. And government's only purpose is for the corporations and the military. The use of the military for corporate imperialism...Republicans have never been there for the workers or the middle class, republicans have never believed government should ever be there for the people.

Republican ideology has ALWAYS been, that people should fend for themselves, without any help from government (no Social Security, unemployment insurance, no minimum wage no health care, etc)...However, it's fine for government to assist and hand out huge corporate subsidies, (corporate welfare)!

[kentuck]

9. Some of them seemed to be half-way rational...

The entire Party seems to be insane now... Put more water in the soup 'cause better times are coming...

[txaslftist]

10. You nailed the Republican Party platform on the head, Zinn.

The thing to also remember is that the Republican Party, the real powers behind it, don't give a shit about abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage, etc.

They use these issues (quite successfully) to split working folks away from the Democratic Party. How else to you get a single mom in a double wide to vote Republican when the Democratic party is so obviously better for her? Tell her its what Jesus wants.

[Zinfandel]

13. You got it! Repugs have always been about divide & conquer...and

deception, cheating & lying!

And its worked for over a hundred and forty five years.

People have and can always be fooled by words --- and forget the republicans real ideology and deeds!

[Finder]

12. Lincoln would disagree. (nt)

[Zinfandel]

14. I disagree with Lincoln's ideology...It definitely wasn't about slavery!

It was about the North's fading corporatism...But your history books never told you that!

[ArkDem]

15. And that is why all of the abolutionists fought on the side of

the confederates!

[txaslftist]

18. Seriously, ArkDem. You ought to read a history book about it...

...written before the turn of the century. You would be amazed how many contemporary historians refused to idolize Lincoln. These were bright guys, by no means confederate sympathizers, but serious contemporary scholars with both the resources and the personal memories of events to draw on.

They paint quite a different picture of the man than that found in modern history texts, and quite a different picture of the civil war.

[Finder]

21. for example?

I do know there is a heck of a lot of revisionism going on. Can you direct me to a source for one of these "contemporary scholars"?

I just finished a book put out by some League of South idiot(Thomas Woods)who essentially rewrites history from the founding up until now.

[ArkDem]

23. I believe that Vidal mentions that Lincoln was an early investor

in Haliburton.:eyes:

[Zinfandel]

20. Even Gore Vidal's "Lincoln" is a good place to start...

Not completely without fiction, but still very well researched and insightful.

[MN ChimpH8R]

40. This describes the Reagan/post-Reagan Repukes

but once upon a time there were honest, decent Republicans like Ford, Eisenhower, Hugh Scott, Bob Michel, Everett Dirksen and Nelson Rockefeller. In those days, Repubs didn't equate disagreement with treason. I've always been a left-wing Dem, but I do remember the days of bipartisanship on many issues and that once there were rational, humane Repubs. Their party left them.

[noahmijo]

11. 5 years ago I was 19 I could actually talk to people of both parties

I would have all sorts of fun debates with both other democrats and republicans all of them concluding with we're all proud Americans despite what little differences we have.

Sadly I feel the same as you, I will never ever in my life ever again vote Republican, I'll vote for a Libertarian if I have to avoid voting for a Republican ever again, I refuse to ever trust them to be in the driver's seat of ANYTHING that affects the nation or even whatever city I happen to live in.

[mitchum]

16. Greedy fucks or dumbasses

I never trust either

[Kazak]

17. You trusted one in the first place?

:shrug:

[Zenlitened]

19. Well, I think you've gotten to the heart of the matter.

I don't think anyone who proclaims today "I'm a republican" can expect to be met with anything but -- at a minimum -- a shake of the head in disbelief.

The evidence is all around us that the republican party has royally mucked up our country. And so it's time for all people with any conscience remaining to quit that party.

[haydukelives]

22. I hate every last one

of them period

[Skittles]

24. they disgust me with ever fiber of my being

their greed and ignorance is getting people killed every day and taking America down in an never-ending spiral - I consider people still supporting bush inc to be nothing less than traitors

[Solly Mack]

25. I've no use for them.

Don't bother getting to know them better either...their political affiliation is enough for me to know that I don't want to know them.

But I must admit to my tolerance for voting for bad policy (by voting for those who vote for bad policy) is wearing thin all the way around.

[spinbaby]

26. Hey, I'm married to a Republican!

But, in his defense, he's a real conservative--you know, the kind that wants to balance the budget and not invade other countries for no good reason. He despises chimp boy.

[sproutster]

27. Wow, way to come together.

I see this thread and I think, wth? I VOTED BUSH. I am so flipping angry and have been. It's all nice that you can look down at me with your moral superiority, but I THINK WHAT IS GOING ON IS WRONG. Why would you alienate any of us that are opening our eyes? If shit is going to change, we have GOT to come together for the common good. This just drips of the same feelings that cause rasism and classism - you would hang me because I believed it was for the good. I DO NOT THINK SO ANY LONGER. I am flipping depressed and hope with all of my heart that others are opening their eyes. I come here, not because I'm 100% democrat who has "seen god (or whomever)" and been "born again." I'm not going to debate my beliefs with you, because that is not what is going on at this moment.

At this moment we have ... him in office, we have his people making money off of dead people, we have people dying and losing everything. Will it stop? NOOOOOOO... They are insuring these people (and I say it with no inflection in my voice) will be brought so low that they cannot come out of it. There is no protection for them. I pay taxes with the idea it, in the end will protect me if something horrible happens.

At this moment I am not believing in Dems vs. Reps - I AM BELIEVING IN HUMANITY.

I come here for information that I don't have access to via t.v. news. I thank you for it. But please refrain from fracturing us further.

[blm]

28. Sorry, threads like this bring out the most angry aspect of ourselves.

Many of us have been shouting for years for the media to open its eyes to the truth about how the Bushes and their cronies profit from governance while doing the actual business of governance poorly and ineptly.

A little of that backlash is sometimes directed at those who believed the media spin about these frauds.

You are right, that tempers shouldn't flare up at such a crucial time, but we are mere humans...imperfect...and have been angry for a long time. Personally, I've been furious with BushInc since I learned the facts about BCCI.

[titoresque]

29. I'm glad you've opened your eyes but

the fact remains that the Murderer you voted for didnt just all of a sudden become an evil monster........he's been a theif and a liar for two terms and before that he was a worthless ruthless killer in Texas and before that he was a coked out drunken frat boy. So, for those of us who have seen this, and have been *awake* for a long time and have been ridiculed and called losers and traitors and worse for years because we have taken up the cause for EVEN people like you......for HUMANITY........well, we're pissed! And we have every right to be angry. We are NOT the dividers in this country!

[sproutster]

33. Hmm...

I see. Good luck to you, and I'm sure what falls out will continue to divide and no one will see what the real issues are, because they will be defending themselves from this. I understand it, because I feel it. I'm glad that you could take the time to tell me off.

I will still march tomarrow, but I think we will still be divided, and I do not think that we can come together as a cohesive group and make changes when you cannot let it go, and embrace those of us (and there are more of me then you think and are not accounting for) and come together for a plan.

I will be there tomarrow with my buddy who's homepage is drudge.com. Feel free to spit on us, and shame us into going back to the company line. That *is* what you are doing right?

Think it out, and get rid of your prejudices. Things can change.

[titoresque]

39. I didn't tell you off

and I'm not spitting on you. I'm glad you'll be at the march, and really...welcome to DU. I'm saying don't expect a ticker tape parade becasue you finally see this serial killer for what he is. Im glad that you finally do......but this is Democratic Underground....you think YOU'RE feeling the wrath of people who think they're superior here? LOL! That's rich........stick around awhile...in fact, wait and see what kind of reception you get from other Repubs while you're at the march. We've been treated like shit by our own families and have lost friends we have had for 20+ years and it's been the SUPERIOR attitude of the right.........not the peaceful left! But I for one and tired of being so nice all the time and embracing.....Im angry.
Understand....Im not telling you off, just trying to let you know that there is a valid reason why people on this thread are saying the things they are.

[sproutster]

43. Ok... Peace.

I'm starting to sound like a record. I do not wish to lose anyone, and I've been here in silence - I certainly didn't ask for a ticket tape parade. I'm trying to convey that I am not the only one like me here. I was heartfelt in my first post, and I would imagine others would read it as I had stated. Please keep that in mind.

[Mr_Spock]

32. If republicans would stop the lock-step march to destruction

in some coordinated fashion, I would then be able to see that they do have some humanity. Until that happens, those who continue to march in lockstep will have to be considered a very dangerous enemy. I hope you can understand why people are angry and non-trusting at this time.

[sproutster]

34. I understand your anger

Please understand, it is changing. I know. I am not in a place that is in danger -- There will be a lot of people who voted bush marching tomarrow. Please understand, things are changing. Maybe not all. The loudest voices, are not always the majority.

In my small corner of the world, I am seeing a change, please embrace this, we need to come together for a common goal.

[Mr_Spock]

37. I am embracing those who see the light, but pressure must be kept up!

I am not going to stop applying pressure until the 37% of hardcore support for this insanity is significantly cut into. I would not be doing my duty as an American if I did not keep up the fight for what is right. I thank all those who see the light very much - I certainly hope that a significant number of those hardcore people can be awoken from their trance...

[sproutster]

41. I totally support this.

I started saying "genocide" on Day 2 Katrina. Something dark is happening, and we must come together and stop this. Everyone at work thought I was a crackpot... I've gotten all of them except for one to start seeing the light. This can be directly attributed to this site and Kos. I've shown articles and legislation being passed that you do not see in the news.

I thank you for that. I also want you to know, things are changing.

[emulatorloo]

38. Repub politicians DECEIVE their voters: they will say anything for power

a lot of people here understand that. . .

[kentuck]

35. It's time to shit or get off the pot...

It's time to choose which side are you on? Are you for the corporate criminals or are you for the people ? We are a way past "fractured". We are in critical mode. It's time to take a stand. If you want to go back to the Repubs, then good riddance. You say you come here for "information that I don't have access to via t.v. news"...You must think there is some credibility here or you would not say such a thing. However, if you wish to contribute to getting rid of this pestilence, you will find yourself quite welcome here.

[sproutster]

42. ...

I've made my views clear. I'm also being active instead of passive. I just don't want to lose anyone. This is important, and yes, there are people who will fracture, it's easier. Going to the other side will HURT the movement. Just stop it. I want change, but I will not spit on anyone who is willing to hear/see the truth. Think about it. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face - there is truth in that.

[kentuck]

44. So the choice is :

I'm going to be pissed off because I don't like your tone of voice so I will just stay with the murderers and thieves in the Republican Party. After all, the name-calling is so much worse?

[sproutster]

45. Ok you are right.

Have at it.

Heck, it works with religion too, so it must be successful.

Argh. See I am getting angry... It's too easy to just give in and start arguing here. I'm done in this thread, it's not productive and isn't serving any purpose.

You may call me/us whatever you would like. Others can surely join you. It's for a good cause, and it will certainly help getting the corruption and murderers out of the WH.

I wish you would just read what I am trying to convey. I just wanted to give you a view into what I am thinking. Your actions are yours alone, as are mine.

I would like to think I am learning from my mistakes, granted the price is way to high, and I do bear responsibility for that.

[kentuck]

46. Perhaps you are right?

Maybe we should say nothing about those that have voted us into this mess? And why did they vote for Bush and the Republicans? They believed the Swift Boat people? They thought Bush was more moral? They thought he was a better leader in time of war? They were "tricked" by the Republican propagandists? For whatever reason, we are where we are. And we should not be critical because that will only "fracture" more the divide between the people? Perhaps you are right?

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. I've never trusted repugs. Much too self serving and self righteous

for my blood.

[Mr_Spock]

31. I'm dedicating my life to destroying these lying backstabbing criminals

These people are selfish, angry bigots and there is no reason I should have to associate with them. I will be taking them on on all possible fronts. I've had it with these cretins.

[Iktomiwicasa]

36. I wonder

why anyone would trust any politician, regardless of party.