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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 05:58 PM
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Bush offers a strange "deal" to New Orleans (Today's Speech)
I tuned in late to Bush's speech today but zeroed in on this part:

I think he was responding to a reporter's question about funding and clean-up of New Orleans and other areas devastated by Katrina, which displaced and dispersed about a million people all over the country. Bush said: (paraphrasing):

The federal government will remove debris from private property IF the mayors will sign over ownership of the property to the federal government.

This sounds like a bribe. People are homeless and desperate. I wonder what Mayor Nagin will say. I wonder what Bush and his cronies have planned for that property.


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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:01 PM
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1. The Mayor can't do that and no property owner in his right mind would.
Strange. :(
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:05 PM
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4. I had a hard time believing my ears but a friend taped it and
played it to me over the phone twice and I took notes.

He truly does not care for people.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:10 PM
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9. Is there a link for this speech?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:20 PM
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17. What channel or station were you listening to? n/t
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:34 PM
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20. That's what FEMA does-masters at the buyout-search the Facts
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:01 PM
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2. How can the mayors sign over ownership of property if it is owned....
by private citizens. Did he mean property owned by cities, towns and counties? Did he say why they would have to do that?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:05 PM
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5. I guess they could condemn the property, then hand it over
But as you say, "WHY?" What does Bush plan on doing with the land? Does the king want to expand his land holdings or something?

You know, isn't the Federal government supposed to be in the business of helping Americans? Didn't we already pay taxes? WTF kind of feudal deal is this?

This is the sort of move that revolutions are made from...There's no better way to piss someone off than to take their land.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:07 PM
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6. I keep saying it, they are seeding the road to
revolution...
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:10 PM
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8. Yeah, ask the Indians whose land you currently occupy. nt
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:11 PM
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11. you got that right....
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:12 PM
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12. I have
And yes, they are.

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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:17 PM
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14. I know. I am one.
would you like to see my own personal broken treaty?

I'd love to show it to you, but all I have left is the hardcopy b/c the gov is apparently purging these docs from the BLM web data base. hmmmm.

Not worth the worthless paper it was written on in the first place, but sheesh...for the record and all that, you know?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:17 PM
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15. *cough* Native Americans*cough*
note: subtle correction proffered for greater accuracy, not for pc bullshit

:toast:
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:21 PM
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18. you're telling me, as an indian, how I'm supposed to self-identify?
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 06:23 PM by hardrainfallin
If you want to be REALLY precise about it then say

Native Turtle Islander

"America" has gone so far downhill, I personally consider it an INSULT to be called a "Native American".

I must honestly say I don't have a single relative or friend in Indian country who calls him/herself a "Native American".

edited for typo
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:33 PM
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19. That's why I added the disclaimer. It wasn't "America" until the white
man came to town, but I don't know what the native peoples called the land. Perhaps I should go with indigenous peoples from now on?
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:41 PM
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24. Oh I dunno, the term Indian is almost like the N word in the
black community. I probably know as many Indians who would throw a hissy fit if a white person used the word Indian, but among Indians the term is Indian (in internet lingo NDN is OK).

Personally, I think, as a collective term, indigenous peoples is best, in canada, they say "first nations people" and I think that's a good option, too.

If you know the person's tribal affiliation, then it's best to use that.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:44 PM
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26. Thanks for the lesson. I do try and use tribal affiliation but in this
case the subject was much broader than a single tribe name could cover.
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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:47 PM
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29. no problem. Personally, I'd rather see this country get its shit
together for the first time in 500 years so that NO ONE has to be disgusted/ashamed/insulted or whatever for being called any kind of "American" ...
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:49 PM
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31. Hear, hear to that!
I don't want to be an Amerikkkan like bush* wants, native or otherwise.
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:35 PM
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21. Sorry, lots of us are no longer accepting the
PC term "Native American". I won't. The hell with that.

It's a ridiculous term anyway - does this mean other people born in America aren't "natives" of their native land?

Call me an Indian, thanks. Eastern Cherokee, descended from the ones who refused to go on the Trail of Tears.

I don't know a single Indian who still wants to be called a Native American.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:42 PM
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25. Did you read far enough to see my disclaimer? I specifically
said it was NOT as a pc term, merely for greater (not complete or end-all) accuracy.

No offense meant. I also followed up with a further explanation before your post to clarify. If you've taken Indian and wrested back from the hands of racists and haters and are making it your own, I support you 100%.

Friends?

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hardrainfallin Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:45 PM
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28. at least we're consistent, eh? ;)
what I find more upsetting is the fact that DU STILL (at least as of a few days ago) has disgusting Indian mascots as avatars on its board.... no, I'm not going to bother to check to see if they've been removed since last time I complained about it....someone else go look, someone else go complain...
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:06 PM
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32. But of course!
I have no problem with you at all, and I understand your motivations. No worries.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:16 PM
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13. I wouldn't put it past the authors of the bush plan condemning....
property filled with debris through no fault of the owners. Of course many of these properties are probably owned by the poor or middle class. The Federal government does its damnedest to make the lives of Americans as miserable as possible. Come to think of it so does the state governments. They will in turn sell the property to large corporations so we can have more Walmarts or environment polluting business. The Federal government is totally out of hand and has to be brought back to where they belong.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:02 PM
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3. This sounds like extortion!
I did not hear the press conference, how could this be true? Anyone got this anywhere?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:09 PM
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7. That is out and out usury, coercion, extortion and bribery!
Those are on the law books as illegal! x( A faux pResident uttered those words! :nuke:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:10 PM
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10. Link to transcript
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050922.html

Another area of cost, for example, is debris removal. See, we know what our obligations are. We just, by the way, cut through a lot of red tape to allow for federal debris removal from private property if the mayors were to sign a form basically designating parts of their city to be cleared by -- private property to be cleared by the federal government.


Well, it's not quite as blatant as your paraphrase, but I still wonder what this form is about. Why does the mayor have to sign this? What special permissions would the mayor be giving the feds they wouldn't already have?

For instancee, I'd be willing to bet they mean that the feds will hire HALLIBURTON to come in and clear the debris.

This just smells bad...I know they got some sort of angle on it -- they always do.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:36 PM
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23. That really might just refer to red tape, and possibly legal liability.
I remember a news story weeks ago showing the NG clearing roads somewhere along the Gulf Coast (think this was Mississippi, not LA), which emphasized that they couldn't do anything about the debris on private property, and in many cases there was no way to contact the owners of that property.

And yes, I'm sure the federal contracts will go to Bush supporters. That's been the case all along. But I don't think Bush's wording there is particularly ominous.

Think of all the areas where debris is spread over a huge swath of private property, with the owners scattered all over the country. You could wait to clean it up till all of them are contacted, but if some can't be contacted for months (or if the owner's died and there's a dispute about who inherits), you have debris sitting there that could easily become airborne again in another storm.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:45 PM
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27. Debris removal contracts already given
Four corporations from CA, FL & MN. The forms are probably just some sort of legal liability form though, I don't think there's any sort of signing property over like the OP intepreted.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1374
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:11 PM
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33. Aggh! I think it's been edited. I need to get a copy of the tape
I just went to the WH site and pulled it up to post.

Damn it.
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:19 PM
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16. What?!
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 06:19 PM by Raiden
That IS a very ominous statement. :wtf:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:35 PM
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22. Check FEMA's history-that's FEMA talkin'-not surprised
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 06:49 PM
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30. Is the "debris" Bush is talking about dead bodies by any chance? n/t
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