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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:02 PM
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I now believe that there's hope.
I've seen many posts from people who've related situations that have made them feel that people were starting to turn around in reference to no longer supporting the B* regime. Each time I read them, I told myself that, until I saw it in my area, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Tonight I had dinner in a very Republican suburb of Pittsburgh. While there, I heard two different tables of senior citizens speaking very strongly against B*. Both parties looked as though they were very comfortably middle class. It's possible that these people have been against B* all along, but it was so vocal and it was two different tables! I couldn't believe it! One table was even talking about the Posse Comitatus Act and B* possibly trying to get around its restrictions on the use of military personnel.

I now know that things may actually be changing. The day that this happens where I work is the day that I'll know that we've won! (I work with many extremely conservative people.)

:)
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Joyce78 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:07 PM
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1. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh ...
which Rupuke suburb are you referring to? Upper St. Clair?
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:11 PM
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3. I'll PM you. n/t
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:11 PM
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2. cool!
keep us posted about your work environment!

I keep telling people now that Bush's approval rating is 40% or less that means that Bush supporters are now a minority group in this country......
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:23 PM
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7. They're going to now call themselves an oppressed minority...
and whine about how society is mistreating them. If they only knew what "oppressed" really felt like...
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:14 PM
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4. A while back,
in a barbeque place down in SW Virginia -real Republican territory - I was sitting not far from a table of churchgoers (it was a Sunday), who obviously came there every Sunday after services. Blue-hair ladies, men in suits, all prosperous-looking, but not what you'd call wealthy. Just nice, old, comfortable Americans who voted for Ratface.

I could not believe how they trashed him. Trashed what was going on in Iraq. Halliburton. They were really savvy, these people, truly confounding any stereotypes their looks and demeanors might have conjured up. One lady talked about sending her grandsons to Canada if Ratface tried to start up the draft.

On the way out, I stopped at the table, and said, "Y'all (I talk like that in Virginia) are the most wonderful examples of good Americans. I hope you remember what the Republicans have done to us all."

They all made nice, friendly noises, smiling. It was unbelievable.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:20 PM
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5. met a fundamentalist minister's wife a few days ago...
...who confessed to me she didn't know why everyone else in her church equated "Christianity" with "unequivocal support of George Bush."

Considering the source, that really surprised me! And also made me wonder if the tide -- in tiny ways -- is turning...
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:25 PM
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8. Maybe she never drank the Kool-Aid. If not, good for her.
In fact, even if she had and has now awakened from her stupor, good for her!
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:21 PM
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6. This type of thing just warms your heart, doesn't it?
I was dining with a friend, and she was talking to me while I was trying to hear what they were saying more clearly. I wanted to tell my friend to just not talk to me for a while so that I could evesdrop, but I thought that that would have been too unpolite. (To both her and to them.) I wanted to bask in the B* bashing with which I was surrounded!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:31 PM
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9. I know how you feel
I have had similar encounters in Texas. I know that nearly half the state voted against Junior, but it is still something to hear him trashed by folks in public. That happens quite often these days and those obnoxious, ever-present 'W' stickers have been vanishing. Rather rapidly, too.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:33 PM
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10. I am hearing more and more fear and anger...
from Americans, who are now starting to wake up and understand the danger of what has been happening. "Average" people who have never mentioned a word on this topic are beginning to open up and talk. They do not have all the info, how could they; unless they had sources such as this one to refer to. Yet the dread and depression of what is actually happening is starting to be revealed for them. And all it took was for the F-ing fourth estate to do it's job and report on what this cruel and unusual admin did and did not do for Katrina.
I truly believe that if MSM continues, then the public will have truth and act accordingly. God, we are a lazy Nation of followers, yet I do not think we are morally bankrupt, we just need a strong leader to say:
"Yes I hear you and you are right. I have the power (or at least the perceived power) and will stand with you and for you: for your fear your anger and your outrage. Together we will confront the truth, and not back down from it's consequences. We will change the course of this tide."
We need this leader to justify our concerns,to make us feel part of a larger group, not just screaming individual. They need to see support from their political base, surround this leader and back them no matter what.

Where are our Democrats? Why the Silence? Barbara Boxer is not silent, John Conyers is not silent, and there is a handful of others as well. But why only a handful? Why can't they join the Black Caucus and show a United front? A power American people are starting to wake up and I hope through the turbulent times ahead we create ar recieve a fill for this shocking vacuum.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:42 PM
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11. I remember Watergate,
and that was prompted by courageous and diligent journalists who also had the backing of their editor and publisher. I rather doubt we'd find that kind of unity now - witness how quickly the WSJ turned in Cooper's notes when confronted, pleading "fiduciary responsibility" to their shareholders.

My ass, their shareholders.

There was also a bipartisan group of Congressmen and Senators who defied party loyalty and dared to do the right thing. I'm not sure that could be found today, either.

The Democrats have no Pete Rodino, no Sam Ervin. Frankly, right now, with things as complicated as they are, and - oh, please, god, just this one thing! - the wheels coming off the Bush machine, it might be smart just to let the process unfold and let the smart Democrats work behind the scenes on the Hill, lining up bipartisan support for whatever comes next.

Yet, I know that sonofabitch is slicker than snot, and I can very easily imagine him slithering away from all this, too.

Fitzgerald continues his investigation, Safavian was arrested, Abramoff is feeling the heat, and gas is heading towards $5 a gallon.

I have hope. For the first time in a long time.

I also have Xanax.
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feelthebreeze Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:52 PM
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12. Hope, and a strong Martini, up and chilled...
God I hope this concludes before I turn to Ambient.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:06 PM
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13. One of my co-workers lives in Michigan and she and her hubby
are Bush people. She knows my feelings about him so we don't talk about him too often. Today,out of the blue she said that Bush has been the biggest spending president in recent history and that this country has a lot of problems.

I said yes, when he busted the bank with his tax cuts and his war in Iraq it left no money for domestic problems.She said she and her hubby regret voting for him the second time.

Though I was happy to hear that why in the Hell did it take them so long to see through his bull shit?

Even another co-worker from Louisville,big time Bush country, was pissed that NO looked like a third world country and that dimson did nothing for 3 entire days.

Problem is, we have over 3 more years with this asswipe unless impeachment or a recall? transpires.

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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:26 PM
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14. I had to LOL
The other day I was in line at the checkout. The older man in front of me was writing a check. I have a bad back and it was starting to hurt. He was writing and talking a mile a minute. I started to ease my way up there because I thought it was rude to be chatting away while people were waiting. Lol. He was blasting Bush. The checkout girl just kept saying but... but...but... and he was having none of it. I loved it!
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