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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:18 AM
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DNC/Dean: Don't be afraid to fight
DNC e-mail "Why bother to fight Roberts?"...

A few weeks ago more than 100,000 of us filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for key documents on Supreme Court nominee John Roberts. This week, just before the legal deadline for a response, the Justice Department formally brushed aside the public interest and refused to release the documents.

Senate Democrats waited for the Bush Administration to come clean about Roberts's record -- the administration chose not to. During the hearings, they asked Roberts serious, precise questions about his record and his views -- but Roberts dodged question after question.

Our Senate Leader, Harry Reid, is right: there are simply too many questions left unanswered. John Roberts, and the sham process that has accompanied his nomination, does not deserve our support.

But it is obvious that the Republican-controlled Senate will confirm John Roberts. Some people even say that it's useless for us to speak out against him. They say we're wasting our time.

But how will we win any battle if we don't stand up for what we believe and speak the truth? More importantly, how will Americans know what to expect from a Democratic Congress and Democratic president if we don't fight for our values at every opportunity?

Democrats can disagree with Democrats in good faith -- and many do on this issue. But when political calculations silence our conscience, we have abandoned our true values. We cannot let that happen.

Our party must speak plainly and fight for the values of equality, opportunity and security that bring our party -- and the vast majority of Americans -- together.


And that's exactly what we're going to do.

If you want to take a stand in your community, you can start by writing a letter to the editor of your local paper about why John Roberts is the wrong man at the wrong time. Nearly 75,000 letters have already gone to newspapers.

Don't be afraid to fight:

http://www.democrats.org/robertsletters

Thank you.

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:19 AM
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1. wow, I feel like this came out of my mouth... THANKS DEAN!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:21 AM
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2. 1-877-762-8762 - Toll Free Senate - 1-877-762-8762
I called Leahy, Kohl, Feingold to tell them to change their minds.

I called Kennedy, Kerry, and Reid to tell them to FILIBUSTER.

I could not get through to Boxer's office -

GO, DU, GO! Call'em...
GO, DU, GO! Call'em...
GO, DU, GO! Call'em...
GO, DU, GO! Call'em...

Let them know WE'VE got a spine.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:54 AM
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6. Another way to remember it: 1-877-SOB-U-SOB (nt)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:05 PM
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8. Excellent! SOB-U-SOB -- perfect!
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:08 PM
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9. Yeah - I heard it on Thom Hartmann's radio program (nt)
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:22 PM
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19. I love Thom! He always refer to that, so people can remember!
That was the only way I can remember the numbers. LOL
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:39 AM
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3. The man just GETS IT.
How will we ever get back to the point where we can do something if we keep out mouths shut?
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:43 AM
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4. "Just because you can't win, doesn't mean you don't fight the good fight"
That's what my mom always said...

Go Dean!! He's absolutely right!! "...When political calculations silence our conscience, we have abandoned our true values."

I'm sending this letter to my Senators and Rep...
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:51 AM
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5. When political calculations silence our conscience, we have abandoned
our true values".

Thank you Governor.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 12:06 PM
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7. Thank God for Howard Dean.
I hope to God his investments in party infrastructure pay dividends next year. He deserves it, as do we all.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:47 PM
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10. "But how will we win any battle if we don't stand up for what we believe"
Finally.

Those Dems who, for whatever puke reasons, have stated they'll vote for this gas bag phony should not only change their vote they should all join together AND FILIBUSTER and procedurally block all other activity of the Senate and refuse to stop until Bush and Cheney and Frist and Delay - RESIGN.

We have federal investigations involving Republicans in the White House (Rove, Libby ???), the Senate (Frist), the House (DeLay) .....

By the way - they are spending our money and creating debt in our name. It's time for everyone to 'get it.' It's OUR capital, as well as OUR capitol - the money and the infrastructure of government belong to US (and all those folk in China, Japan and the Middle East with vaults stuffed with our Treasury certs).

We don't have a government, we have a corrupt corporation, and business-as-usual is totally unacceptable. It's time for us shareholders to withdraw all our proxies, step forward, tell a bunch of folk they are fired, and reorganize both our representation and the priorities they must service - or we'll do it again.



Peace.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 05:54 PM
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11. Frankly, I Expected More
He and Reid seem to have accepted that there's no need to filibuster. I couldn't disagree more. His email to the troops was good except for conceding defeat.

http://petition.savethecourt.org/fwd
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:03 PM
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13. You need 40 to filibuster
The message is reality based. I wish more dems were on board, too.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:14 PM
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14. They should filibuster till the other judge is named. Demand it!
Sandra Day's seat was vacant first. Childish argument for a childish administration. But that's half of good politics. Apear to be in charge!!!
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:26 PM
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16. Exactly Right!
You read my mind. Dean and Reid should be doing precisely what you describe. During the nuclear debacle, they both showed that type of mettle. I don't know what has happened this time unless Leahy has developed his own Senatorial following of Democrats. Leahy is so good on so many other matters, perhaps his followers don't realize how wrong he is about Roberts.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:25 PM
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15. Reid Should Have Rallied The Troops For Just That
If it were a simple matter of Roberts' appointment to the bench, I might take some Pepto and forget it but he's up for Chief Justice of the United Stated! Reid knows his constitution and how terrible it is to nominate a neophyte for that job.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 05:56 PM
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12. FINALLY, Dean says something I agree wholeheartedly with.
Interesting.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:07 PM
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17. Politics is a damn poker game and Howard Dean knows how to play!
Howard Dean is one of the few Democrats willing to 'Raise' the wager in the game.

Poker party

In politics as in poker, the only way to win is to seize the initiative. The Democrats need to make bold wagers or risk being rolled over again.

By David Mamet
ONE NEEDS TO know but three words to play poker: call, raise or fold.

Fold means keep the money, I'm out of the hand; call means to match your opponents' bet. That leaves raise, which is the only way to win at poker. The raiser puts his opponent on the defensive, seizing the initiative. Initiative is only important if one wants to win.

The military axiom is "he who imposes the terms of the battle imposes the terms of the peace." The gambling equivalent is: "Don't call unless you could raise"; that is, to merely match one's opponent's bet is effective only if it makes the opponent question the caller's motives. And that can only occur if the caller has acted aggressively enough in the past to cause his opponents to wonder if the mere call is a ruse de guerre.

If you are branded as passive, the table will roll right over you — your opponents will steal antes without fear. Why? Because the addicted caller has never exhibited what, in the wider world, is known as courage.

In poker, one must have courage: the courage to bet, to back one's convictions, one's intuitions, one's understanding. There can be no victory without courage. The successful player must be willing to wager on likelihoods. Should he wait for absolutely risk-free certainty, he will win nothing, regardless of the cards he is dealt.

For example, take a player who has never acted with initiative — he has never raised, merely called. Now, at the end of the evening, he is dealt a royal flush. The hand, per se, is unbeatable, but the passive player has never acted aggressively; his current bet (on the sure thing) will signal to the other players that his hand is unbeatable, and they will fold.

His patient, passive quest for certainty has won nothing.

The Democrats, similarly, in their quest for a strategy that would alienate no voters, have given away the store, and they have given away the country.

Committed Democrats watched while Al Gore frittered away the sure-thing election of 2000. They watched, passively, while the Bush administration concocted a phony war; they, in the main, voted for the war knowing it was purposeless, out of fear of being thought weak. They then ran a candidate who refused to stand up to accusations of lack of patriotism.

The Republicans, like the perpetual raiser at the poker table, became increasingly bold as the Democrats signaled their absolute reluctance to seize the initiative.

John Kerry lost the 2004 election combating an indictment of his Vietnam War record. A decorated war hero muddled himself in merely "calling" the attacks of a man with, curiously, a vanishing record of military attendance. Even if the Democrats and Kerry had prevailed (that is, succeeded in nullifying the Republicans arguably absurd accusations), they would have been back only where they started before the accusations began.

Control of the initiative is control of the battle. In the alley, at the poker table or in politics. One must raise. The American public chose Bush over Kerry in 2004. How, the undecided electorate rightly wondered, could one believe that Kerry would stand up for America when he could not stand up to Bush? A possible response to the Swift boat veterans would have been: "I served. He didn't. I didn't bring up the subject, but, if all George Bush has to show for his time in the Guard is a scrap of paper with some doodling on it, I say the man was a deserter."

This would have been a raise. Here the initiative has been seized, and the opponent must now fume and bluster and scream unfair. In combat, in politics, in poker, there is no certainty; there is only likelihood, and the likelihood is that aggression will prevail.

The press, quiescent during five years of aggressive behavior by the White House, has, perhaps, begun to recover its pride. In speaking of Karl Rove, Scott McClellan and the White House's Valerie Plame disgrace, they have begun to use words such as "other than true," "fabricated." The word that they circle, still, is "lie." The word the Democratic constituency, heartsick over the behavior of its party leaders, has been forced to consider applying to them is "coward."

One may sit at the poker table all night and never bet and still go home broke, having anted away one's stake.

The Democrats are anteing away their time at the table. They may be bold and risk defeat, or be passive and ensure it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oemamet16sep16,1,341798.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:17 PM
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18. I think the top Dem pols are just ignoring Dean
letting him be the voice for the grassroots and
progressives to keep us in check while they go
ahead and vote their "consciences".

Good cop, bad cop. I'm tired of the game especially
since it involves people and legislation that affect
our lives.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 07:45 PM
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20. Go Gov!
:toast:
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