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Sat Sep-24-05 12:38 AM Original message |
We The People .... Must STOP Those Endangering America and Humanity |
Endangering America By Larry C Johnson September 23, 2005 George Bush got it partially right yesterday (Thursday, September 22) when he said that mistakes made by three of his predecessors, including the Reagan administration, had emboldened terrorists and helped set the stage for the Sept. 11 attacks. Unfortunately he ignored the role his own actions have played in making terrorism worse and pushing the Middle East to the brink of a new war. Instead, the President blindly insisted that he is taking America on the right path in Iraq to confront the threat of terrorism. On that point he is wrong; dead wrong. Why is he wrong? The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq is doing the exact opposite of what Bush says U.S. policy was supposed to achieve: • Instead of reducing terrorism, Islamic terrorism is spreading dramatically. • Instead of winning new supporters for democracy, the war in Iraq is spurring the recruitment and training radical jihadists. • Instead of creating a “City on the Hill” that other nations in the Middle East will emulate, Iraq is fissuring and setting the stage for a regional ethnic and religious civil war. More at the link: http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/09/endangering_ame.html Mr Johnson is correct as are others and for that reason, I urge the following: 1. Bush and Blair announce their commitment to withdraw in an orderly and secure manner -- meaning protecting their troops and their gear. They also announce that no British or American citizen will remain in Iraq and will only be allowed to return if the Iraq government approves their visa and the purpose of their visit. 2. British and American logistics experts devise a secure, rapid withdrawal protocol. 3. They present the protocol to Bush and Blair and Bush and Blair order the process to begin. 4. Bush and Blair go to the UN and negotiate the creation of a multi-national "stability corps" that does not have a single American or British citizen in its ranks. Members of the UN Security Council, other than American and Britain, form a negotiating team to work with the various factions in Iraq on the steps necessary to establish an Iraqi Constitution and stabilize governance and restoration of the Country. 5. All of this is done in the open so that Iraqi's know, from the moment the USA and Britain begin step # 1 that the intention is to withdraw not just militarily, but from any form of manipulation of either the government or the economy of Iraq. And, here is the most recent thread in which I proposed this course of action: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4840299 And, some additional context that makes it ever more obvious why we must extract our troops and citizens: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4840299&mesg_id=4849898 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4840299&mesg_id=4856526 So, when I have stated the need to commit to "immediate withdrawal," it means a commitment to withdraw in as timely a manner as the security of the troops and our citizens require - i.e., more than a few days, less than six months. What matters is the total removal of not just our troops but all our citizens and the commitment to do that as quickly as possible. If the Iraqi government or other Iraqi institutions want to do business, to have academic or other relationships with US enterprises or individual citizens, then appropriate visa and contractual relationships can be established. But, until such time as they request participation of any US person, corporation, not-for-profit ....., we must not force them to have anything to do with us. Going before the UN, making these types of commitments to the people of Iraq and the General Assembly will save American lives, will likely save Iraqi lives, will be an indication that America is returning to the rule of law, and may help the Iraqi factions to shape their future with the legitimate assistance of the international community. But, how will these just and honorable actions ever be made real? Today, Howard Dean provides a clear frame for righteous action. His comments are directed toward the wimpout of many Dems regarding Roberts nomination, but they are relevant to every issue confronting each of us. He asks: "But how will we win any battle if we don't stand up for what we believe and speak the truth." Regarding the issue of Roberts, Howard Dean is terse and correct: Senate Democrats waited for the Bush Administration to come clean about Roberts's record -- the administration chose not to. During the hearings, they asked Roberts serious, precise questions about his record and his views -- but Roberts dodged question after question. Our Senate Leader, Harry Reid, is right: there are simply too many questions left unanswered. John Roberts, and the sham process that has accompanied his nomination, does not deserve our support. DNC e-mail "Why bother to fight Roberts?"... http://www.democrats.org/robertsletters We must fight now and we must take full advantage of the collapsing Bush, Republican hegemony. It is obviously unacceptable for any Democratic Senator to vote for Roberts - they have all been told that that is not the will of the people who are the reason they have a job. Those Dems who, for whatever puke reasons, have stated they'll vote for this gas bag phony, Roberts, should not only change their vote they should all join together AND FILIBUSTER and they should procedurally block all other activity of the Senate and refuse to stop until Bush and Cheney and Frist and Delay - RESIGN. The strategic "Why now?" to take a stand and refuse to compromise is obvious. For starters, federal investigations are now underway involving Republicans in the White House (Rove, Libby, ???), and the Republican leadership of the Senate (Frist), and the House (DeLay). How can we possibly allow an ideologue to be stuck on the SCOTUS for decades when the entire Republican leadership is under investigation for a wide variety of illegal activities. The crooks are about to appoint the number one judge in the country -- talk about irony. That irony cannot become reality. ]b]Do we have folk ready for action? We know we have a significant number of our fellow citizens who are ready for action, including impeachment. And we have a very large number of our fellow Americans who are disgusted with Bush, his administration and his lackeys in the Senate and House. We need to remind everyone we know that these criminals are spending our money and creating debt in our name. It's time for everyone to 'get it.' It's OUR capital, as well as OUR capitol. OK The money and the infrastructure of the government belong to US (and, of course, all those folk in China, Japan and the Middle East with vaults stuffed with our Treasury certs). Many, many of us and our fellow citizens already know we don't have a government, we have a corrupt, reckless, failed corporation. Business-as-usual is totally unacceptable. It's time for us, the shareholders, to withdraw all our proxies, step forward, tell a bunch of folk they are fired, and reorganize both our representation and the priorities they must service. For those who drone about 2006, 2008 .... give it a rest. We must halt Bush and his gang, now. We must not allow Bush and his gang another hour, let alone another 13 months, to do any more harm to us, to our environment, to other nations. They simply must be held accountable now. And that brings us all to the simple gut-check. When all the talk, and protest songs and bravado on the blogs and .... are done, the reality each of you cannot escape is quite simple. It is about money - our money and the debt other people are attempting to force not just upon us but on those who will consider themselves truly unfortunate to be born in the USA -- unless we act now. Bad news for those that want to deny or dance or keep talking - We are at that gut-check moment that Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine and their colleagues understood comprehensively. Nifty protest songs and slogan T-shirts and cool posters, and flowers in gun barrels and profound blogs and speeches on sunny, leafy autumn afternoons are nice -- but they are now irrelevant. If any of you want to halt war-criminal-in-chief and torturer-in-chief Bush and his vast corporate enablers then you need to do one and only one thing -- DON'T GIVE THEM ANOTHER PENNY OF YOUR MONEY. It's NOT the 'economy' stupid. It's the fact that you give these folk your money to turn your life to shit. Got it. When 1000s of DUers and 10000000s of our fellow citizens get that and are willing to use the resultant leverage, then America will begin to walk the talk. I admire so many of the folk who post at DU and I consider what Skinner and his colleagues have created to be a truly remarkable and essential service to America and humanity. However, if thousands of DUers and millions of our fellow citizens are unwilling to keep feeding the beast, then I am wasting time and bandwidth posting commentary on the obvious. What I have done is prepare a rough draft version of the pamphlet entitled -- "We The People ... Have No Clothes"; A pamphlet for every American Citizen. It is being critiqued by some fellow DUers and other colleagues. And, I've already been asked, "so what do you recommend people do" after they have read the pamphlet. My response is, once they have read the pamphlet they will be ready to begin a discussion about "how We The People join together to control the use of tax revenue -- their money." Prior to today, I had not planned to include a chapter explicitly addressing that issue, however upon reading two items that I include in this post while watching the accelerating failure of our government as Rita plows toward the Gulf Coast and Iraq spirals toward civil war, I've decided to be explicit about our money and how it is used. Since it will be awhile before I have sufficient input to determine whether the pamphlet is worthy of broad distribution, rather than just being something a few friends found more inducing of sleep than action, let me share with you the writings of Reza Fiyouzat and "Citizen Spook." The question of taxation must be remarried overtly to the political dimension that it does possess. One need only remember that a pillar of the American Revolution and the War of Independence that a third of the population of the original colonies conducted against the British overlords, was crystallized into the slogan, 'No Taxation without Representation!' And quite rightly so, too. Surely there must be some difference between a legitimate government of the people, for the people, by the people on the one hand, and, on the other, a bunch of racketeers. No government or state authority should be allowed to take anyone's money as 'taxes,' for which no political representation is offered, or, worse, with which instruments of oppression of those very taxpayers are acquired. The problem with the American Revolution was that it was (in reality and not in slogans) demanding that representation be extended only to a tiny minority at the top of the society. The original inhabitants of the continent, the American Indians, were to be slaughtered further and their lands stolen in increasing amounts. Slaves were to be kept slaves. Further, women, working classes, and huge majorities of non-property-owning classes did not acquire any representation for the taxation that continued to be levied against them, now by the Founding Fathers. But, we can revisit that slogan and give it a positively different quality all together. We can demand a new system of taxation be instituted, whereby every year, as people file their taxes, they also file a 'priority list,' submitting to the government their instructions for spending their money. In other words, at the same time as they hand over their money they dictate to the government the order of priorities for the expenditure of their money. So, for example, when I hand over my money to the IRS, I likewise hand over my instructions to the effect that of the taxes I have paid, the government must spend 25 percent of it on education for immigrants who are not documented; 25 percent on the health of the same population; 20 percent on environmental clean up efforts in poor neighborhoods and towns; 10 percent on infrastructure building in poor neighborhoods and towns; 10 percent on research into diseases; and 10 percent on the proliferation of artistic activities among the elderly. Individuals can choose any number of priorities, and rank them in any percentage they deem necessary. Citizens may even give any percentage of their taxes to go toward reparations to the victims of imperialist powers. This new definition of taxation is something that brings about unities that will clarify the class divisions, almost immediately. Much more at the link: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/091705Fiyouzat/091705fiyouzat.html This excerpt from Reza Fiyouzat essay is meant to capture the spirit and direction he then uses to discuss a variety of outcomes of proposing that all Americans give some thought to how their money is being used. "Citizen Spook," provides a detailed historical and legal analysis of how "We The People" relinquished control of our Nation's monetary system in 1913. I am posting a segment from the introduction and concluding comments, here, and in a Comment I will post the full text - permission, in fact encouragement to do so, is explicitly stated by CS at his blogsite. Prologue We the people give the Constitution its life force. It is our breathe that animates the document's respiration and by force of will we do the same for the government which is also ours. It is not the other way around. The government does not own us. We have the power to change things. We are not helpless to correct wrongs. We are not helpless to bring nourishment to the Constitution when that child of ours is starving for food of thought and attention to its coming demise, which if left to happen, will be the end of our nation and all of us individually. All of the problems we are facing come from the neglect we are responsible for allowing. The government is out of control and its anarchy is bipartisanly evident simply by looking at the national debt clock. We do not have control of our nation because we do not have control of our nation's money. In 1913 we gave control and ownership of the nation's monetary independence to a private banking cartel bearing the misleading moniker, THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, whose owners are not the federal government and whose vaults do not contain any reserves. The IRS became the enforcement protector of this institution which collects the fruits of our livelihood and plunders such fruit to a pirate banking cartel, some of whom are apparently foreign nationals. The American people pay their taxes each year because they love this country and honestly believe their federal income tax dollars are providing the infrastructure to keep this great nation going. Until the American properly educated to the true destination of their tax dollars, any attempt to educate them to either the possibility that the IRS code does not require a yearly income tax to be individually paid directly to the government or to the possible unconstitutional use of the IRS code will be met by derision and supported by a federal conspiracy of sanction and silence. The ultimate purpose of the petition for redress is to exercise our will that the government openly address our grievances. In order to accomplish that goal we must access the courts via pleadings which state genuine controversies and claims upon which relief may be granted. Whether that "redress" is ever actually granted is secondary in importance to forcing the courts to openly discuss the merits of the "grievances" listed in the petition which concern conflicting IRS code provisions and the constitutionality of imposing a federal income tax on domestic income of the American people. The "We The People Foundation" petition failed to state claims upon which, according to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and controlling Supreme Court precedent, relief might be granted. Regardless, Judge Sullivan's opinion is very educational and serves as an alluring enticement of "We the People" to rethink strategy for the purpose of submitting a new and improved petition for redress of grievances regarding the federal income tax laws and the Federal Reserve banking system. <clip> While the historical record pertaining to the inalienable right to petition the government for a redress of grievances indicates that such a right implies a right to a response, the Constitution does not enumerate such a right and therefore the judicial branch has no power to compel the legislative and executive branches to listen or respond to the American people's petitions for redress. Furthermore, asking for answers to questions does not indicate a genuine case or controversy to which the district court is authorized to act upon. Any future petition for a redress of grievances must demand actual redress. The redress requested should include; - the return of wealth taken by the government - upon the government to restrain any further unconstitutional taking of wealth - injunctions upon the government to restrain any further taking of wealth via improper application of the IRS code - revocation of defective IRS code provisions - any other redress which raises a genuine case or controversy that can only be addressed by a petition of the government to redress grievances <clip> Of course, the American people would love to pay less taxes, but, for the most part, they accept a patriotic duty to pay taxes. Trumpeting arguments to them that they don't have to pay income taxes because of obscure technical issues involved with the 54000 page IRS monstrosity will never garner the massive support needed to change things, despite the substantive truth of the argument. The devil is in the details. The new plan calls for a clear and concise explanation of the following: a. the private nature of the Federal Reserve Bank, its stockholders and the inherent unconstitutional nature of fractional reserve banking b. the ratio of federal income tax dollars used to pay off the fictional, unconstitutional and oppressive national debt versus the sums proportioned for civil administration, roads, military and other vital purposes of the federal government c. the true history of the Constitution's taxing authority and the Supreme Court's decisions regarding such authority prior to and after the 16th amendment d. the history of the IRS code, with specific focus on the "861" argument and the codes which have evolved in relation to it e. the history supporting the first amendment right to petition the government for a redress of grievances Once the American people understand that they have been robbed blind and that the money they thought was being used to run the government is actually being funneled, in a manner that would make Enron's frauds seem paltry, to the vaults of a few private banking institutions, the people will wake up and join the million (person) petition for a redress of grievances. The power is with the people, but unless the people use that power it remains dormant. We haven't awoken enough people to their proactive power as the respiratory system of the Constitution and the government. In order to make the government submissive to the will of the people, the people must be educated. Once the American people are educated to the concept that the toil of their labor can be used for their own prosperity, rather than the prosperity of a few banking cartels and their lackeys, the American people will wake up and do the right thing. And then the current Federal Reserve system, along with its enforcers in the IRS, will be eliminated along with the faux national debt. Link: http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-people-v-us-re-judge-sullivans.html Time for each of you to make a decision. It's your toil that results in a transfer of capital. Some to you, some to the government. You are likely quite deserving of the portion you receive. It is obvious the current government is not. If you want to continue ordering a cheese burger and being served a sewer burger by your government -- well, it's 'a democracy' and you just voted with your life. Be certain, they'll take the money and let you die. ![]() http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/category-911.html Peace. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. But how |
How do we stop them?
We can say what we want but Bush thinks he does not have to listen.THe Dem's have not fought Bush hard enough it's like they know something we don't.Bush's posse has weapons for crowd control they are prepared for civil unrest. And they have been making viruses in US bio labs,They have the power of nightmares because Bush co manufactures nightmares to secure their own power. It only takes a few generations for knowledge to be lost.Already the fundies are dumbing down the kids,and when Bush co crash civilization a new era of magical thinking left by the vacuum of ignorance will let these elites be seen as gods once everyone forgets the technology and ability to use logic and see through rhetoric and abuses of power... Sad to say if we want freedom we haven't time to waste.If people in the government lack conscience than it is up to we the people to impose it upon our government,regardless of tazers,black water mercenaries.psy-ops or FT Dietrich manufactured bio weapons.. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. How? By collectively denying them any capital, that's how. |
Peace.
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understandinglife
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Sat Sep-24-05 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Full CS post: |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. excellent |
and well worth the read, all should absorb this information and make a decision..
We must ban together and stop financing our own total destruction. solidarity |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. HEH-HEH YEAH! |
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 01:28 AM by BeHereNow
Withdrawing our FINANCIAL support as well as
our children (who are nothing more than cannon fodder to the BFEE) will change EVERYTHING. Think about it- Can they POSSIBLY imprison us all? Don't think so...they don't have room for all the prisoners as it is. BHN |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. no they sure can't imprison |
all of us.
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Question is... |
Can we unite in force in such an action
AND, are any of us willing to actually GO to prison as the pioneers in such a movement? I AM. BHN |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Forgot to add- |
Because I believe that a draft is inevitable.
under the neo-nazi-con agenda that will include young women ,(I have an eighteen year old daughter) and because I am a mentor to many of her friends who will also likely be drafted, I will go to ANY lengths to protect them. Including a prison term for doing what ever it takes to prevent the beautiful young people in my life becoming cannon fodder for the ILLEGAL war being waged by the EVIL BFEE and their neocon nazis. BHN |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Your courage is exactly what is required of all of us. Time for the ... |
... the talk to be matched by action.
We deny this monster cash-flow for even a week or two and it will either listen or perish. I am more than willing to pay taxes. I am more than willing to pay even more taxes than I pay and have paid every year for the past 40 years. So, what I am not proposing is reckless abandonment of support for social and physical infrastructure. What I am saying is that the vast majority of us are receiving very little, if any, return on our investment in our government and in that societal infrastructure. And, we are then confronted by the tiny fraction of our population that not only takes the money and runs -- but they also do not pay their justly proportional tax contribution and worse, they are the triple net beneficiaries of the tax revenue the vast majority of us struggle to pay. That's the issue. I'm more than willing to pay, but I am not willing to be deceived, robbed, endangered, and indebted so a few war criminals and torturers can purchase expensive shoes and estates and eat cake while my fellow citizens drown in sewage. Peace. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I am ready as well |
have been for quite a while. More must join us, stand up to fascism.
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Tue Sep-27-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Have you googled REX 84? |
When I am writing on DU, or surrounded by my activist friends (such as the tremendous turnout in DC) I feel empowered by the movement. However, when I venture outside this microcosm of liberal thought, I find most people are relatively oblivious to what is happening in the world. I am not talking about uneducated citizens who are strugglling to make ends meet, but fellow well educated associates who think they are progressive but are so tied up will the daily monotony of everyday life that they fail to grasp the significance of what is occurring around them. This is the true dumbification of America!
Soccer, dance, gymnastic, blah, blah, blah. I have a friend whose background is in environmental science yet drives a Navigator. Appalling! She has Chemlawn pollute her lawn even though she has young children and a dog. WTF ! (excuse my language but the constant level of outrage leads one to use strong language) She is not a lone oddity, people! This is the true frustration of our movement that I wish I could find an answer to address. We need to find a way to reach these people if we are serious in making a dent. We keep hearing that the tides will change with the '06 election, but WE DON"T CONTROL THE COUNTING OF THE VOTE! We hear that there will be no way for them to steal such huge numbers. WRONG! Just look at '00 and beyond (and perhaps before). We thought we could easily get numbers out on the street after the '04 theft. We couldn't even get the losing Dems to admit it, nor attempt to fix the issue because they are part of the problem! Why aren't the backing the progressive ideas of Howard Dean? Hmmm, maybe because they don't want to disrupt the ruling elitism that governs this country. I agree with UL that the time for change is NOW (or even yesterday) but I am totally frustrated as to how to implement it on THE SCALE that needs to be implemented. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. I see TWO recommendations. Can we have some more for this effort to |
form A MORE PERFECT UNION?
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Sat Sep-24-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Oh yes... |
Nominating NOW.
BHN |
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Sat Sep-24-05 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. "They simply must be held accountable now." |
Not a moment too soon, IMO. The future of our country depends on the fortitude of it's citizens.
It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government. - Thomas Paine The light is on. The people are coming. Peace.:patriot: |
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Sat Sep-24-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. "It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government. |
Yes, Thomas Paine 'got it.'
Time for all patriotic Americans to walk the talk and halt this unConstitutional and otherwise illegal, rogue fascist government. They are the lawless ones - from sending our Armed Forces into war without Congressional declaration to stealing elections. We not only 'have no election'; we have no Constitutional government in America. Peace. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
13. Nominate to 5! |
Peace.
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Sat Sep-24-05 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. Thanks U.L. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
16. kick and nominated |
UL, that's one heck of a post!
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Sat Sep-24-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Thanks -- Some parts of it will become chapter7 in the pamphlet .... |
.... would you like to read the current draft version?
Peace. |
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Sat Sep-24-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
18. That sounds like quite a pamphlet you're putting together |
I'm looking forward to reading it. Thank you for doing this.
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Sat Sep-24-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
19. Again and again I learn so much at ULs hand. |
Incredible post UL!
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Sat Sep-24-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Thank you! We have a remarkable community at DU .... |
Peace.
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Sat Sep-24-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
20. too good not to kick again... n/t |
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Sat Sep-24-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. agreed |
;-)
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Sat Sep-24-05 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
24. Kick! |
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Nothing Without Hope
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Sat Sep-24-05 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
25. Recommended. I don't know how the details would work, but the first |
step, as you have explained, is clearly to educate the public in the truth about what the government is doing with their tax money and the history and legal background to provide a framework for fighting it.
Passivity and despair are no answer at all. We must find a POSITIVE way forward, one that uses the laws of the country and enforces accountability. |
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Sun Sep-25-05 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
26. . |
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Sun Sep-25-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
27. kick |
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Sun Sep-25-05 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. You do know that the average american won't read this |
unless you condense it to ten words or less, right?
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