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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 08:01 AM
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Blackwater Down
The men from Blackwater USA arrived in New Orleans right after Katrina hit. The company known for its private security work guarding senior US diplomats in Iraq beat the federal government and most aid organizations to the scene in another devastated Gulf. About 150 heavily armed Blackwater troops dressed in full battle gear spread out into the chaos of New Orleans. Officially, the company boasted of its forces "join the hurricane relief effort." But its men on the ground told a different story.

Some patrolled the streets in SUVs with tinted windows and the Blackwater logo splashed on the back; others sped around the French Quarter in an unmarked car with no license plates. They congregated on the corner of St. James and Bourbon in front of a bar called 711, where Blackwater was establishing a makeshift headquarters. From the balcony above the bar, several Blackwater guys cleared out what had apparently been someone's apartment. They threw mattresses, clothes, shoes and other household items from the balcony to the street below. They draped an American flag from the balcony's railing. More than a dozen troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stood in formation on the street watching the action.

Armed men shuffled in and out of the building as a handful told stories of their past experiences in Iraq. "I worked the security detail of both Bremer and Negroponte," said one of the Blackwater guys, referring to the former head of the US occupation, L. Paul Bremer, and former US Ambassador to Iraq John Negroponte. Another complained, while talking on his cell phone, that he was getting only $350 a day plus his per diem. "When they told me New Orleans, I said, 'What country is that in?'" he said. He wore his company ID around his neck in a case with the phrase Operation Iraqi Freedom printed on it.

In an hourlong conversation I had with four Blackwater men, they characterized their work in New Orleans as "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals." They all carried automatic assault weapons and had guns strapped to their legs. Their flak jackets were covered with pouches for extra ammunition.

When asked what authority they were operating under, one guy said, "We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security." Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary." The man then held up the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck. Blackwater spokesperson Anne Duke also said the company has a letter from Louisiana officials authorizing its forces to carry loaded weapons.

"This vigilantism demonstrates the utter breakdown of the government," says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. "These private security forces have behaved brutally, with impunity, in Iraq. To have them now on the streets of New Orleans is frightening and possibly illegal."

Blackwater is not alone. As business leaders and government officials talk openly of changing the demographics of what was one of the most culturally vibrant of America's cities, mercenaries from companies like DynCorp, Intercon, American Security Group, Blackhawk, Wackenhut and an Israeli company called Instinctive Shooting International (ISI) are fanning out to guard private businesses and homes, as well as government projects and institutions. Within two weeks of the hurricane, the number of private security companies registered in Louisiana jumped from 185 to 235. Some, like Blackwater, are under federal contract. Others have been hired by the wealthy elite, like F. Patrick Quinn III, who brought in private security to guard his $3 million private estate and his luxury hotels, which are under consideration for a lucrative federal contract to house FEMA workers.

A possibly deadly incident involving Quinn's hired guns underscores the dangers of private forces policing American streets. On his second night in New Orleans, Quinn's security chief, Michael Montgomery, who said he worked for an Alabama company called Bodyguard and Tactical Security (BATS), was with a heavily armed security detail en route to pick up one of Quinn's associates and escort him through the chaotic city. Montgomery told me they came under fire from "black gangbangers" on an overpass near the poor Ninth Ward neighborhood. "At the time, I was on the phone with my business partner," he recalls. "I dropped the phone and returned fire."

Montgomery says he and his men were armed with AR-15s and Glocks and that they unleashed a barrage of bullets in the general direction of the alleged shooters on the overpass. "After that, all I heard was moaning and screaming, and the shooting stopped. That was it. Enough said...."


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051010/scahill

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 08:06 AM
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1. Important for Americans to be aware of. K&R
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 08:12 AM
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2. Talk about puff pieces, or is it fuff?
Who has ever seen blackwater troops dressed in full battle gear?

OMFG!!

Blackwater's success in procuring federal contracts could well be explained by major-league contributions and family connections to the GOP. According to election records, Blackwater's CEO and co-founder, billionaire Erik Prince, has given tens of thousands to Republicans, including more than $80,000 to the Republican National Committee the month before Bush's victory in 2000. This past June, he gave $2,100 to Senator Rick Santorum's re-election campaign. He has also given to House majority leader Tom DeLay and a slew of other Republican candidates, including Bush/Cheney in 2004. As a young man, Prince interned with President George H.W. Bush, though he complained at the time that he "saw a lot of things I didn't agree with--homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act, those kind of bills. I think the Administration has been indifferent to a lot of conservative concerns."

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 05:37 PM
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45. recommended
:kick:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 08:34 AM
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3. Kick
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1democracy Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:01 AM
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4. The equivalent of secret military
that do not hold America dear, that do not have our values, that are not held responsible for killing others, due process, etc...This is frightening. What if a group comes to your neighborhood? Where is the line of authority that controls these people? This should be illegal!!!It certainly is unAmerican.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:06 AM
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5. The fact that people are encouraged to hire private armies on American
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 09:49 AM by Tom Yossarian Joad
soil scares the shit out of me.

Remember the Pinkertons? This wind bodes ill.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:16 AM
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8. The Pinkertons were the first thing to jump to my mind n/t
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:48 AM
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19. Odd - Gestapo jumped to mind for me.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:21 PM
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27. The Gestapo
The Pinkertons did work as a sort of contractual 'FBI', 'Secret Service', and bounty hunters. They were a private company paid by the Government. 'Outsourcing' is the word, but before its prime.

The Gestapo were never 'outsourced.' They were the 'secret police' on pay by the government and loyal to the Fuhrer and not to a CEO.

It does not make either of them any less vile.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:41 PM
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41. Still dunno that Pinkertons worked for Uncle Sam. Source? However..
From the OP article about Blackwater:

When asked what authority they were operating under, one guy said, "We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security."
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 05:25 PM
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43. History books I read in college and my memory regretfully.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 05:26 PM by YOY
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_069100_pinkertons.htm

http://americanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa062002a.htm

Most of the statements I found insinuate working with Government (Local and Federal) as well as for industrialists. I could be wrong though.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:20 PM
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48. I know that they were bounty hunters, too.
They went after a whole slew of bad guys with prices on their heads. But I don't think that is quite the same, if you know what I mean.

The Gubmint hiring mercenaries to (don't really know what words to put here cause I have no idea what they were really hired to do) inside the country is ALARMING. The secrecy by the Gubmint doesn't make it any less alarming. Why not show me the contract? Nothing sinister here!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:58 AM
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24. thank you
i've been reading about blackwater since the late 90s, and they scared me BEFORE they got billions and billions of pentagon funding...how long before they open fire on americans?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:13 AM
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6. Blackwater thugs in my hood? It'd be Iraqi 'insurgency' American style.
People need to take this shit seriously. Brown shirted thugs assured a good deal of cooperation with Hitler & the boys. BUSHCO is not really very different, except the front man for BUSHCO is NOT the brains of the operation.

Re-think gun ownership, people. This is JUST the threat the founders foresaw when they made mention of the right to bear arms.

"A Republic, madam, if you can keep it."
The good Doctor Franklin knew the black places in too many hearts.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:13 PM
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32. That is what it sounds like
And according to the report some of them had spent time in Iraq. So are they treating this like a war zone? That's what it seems like to me.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:12 PM
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31. It is crazy
And it should be illegal. Who do they answer to? What if they took someone out who was innocent? Would anybody know about it? :\
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 06:27 PM
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46. I thought it was illegal.......but when....
...has that ever stopped this administration?
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:14 AM
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7. kick
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:18 AM
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9. Prince is probably...
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 09:19 AM by punpirate

... the face of the future Republican Party.

http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/blackwater/series/story/1476580p-7623132c.html

Want to see the face of Christian fascism? This is it.

Oh, yeah, Prince is 36 years old. Lots of time to get into political mischief.

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:30 AM
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10. And he's a WIDOWER?
Awfully young and in an industry that makes accidents easy.

There is also an amazing lack of info on the web about him and nothing I could find in a quick search.

Quick, someone get me some tin foil!

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:36 AM
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13. His wife died of cancer...
... not long ago.

Try this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Erik+Prince%22&btnG=Google+Search


Lots of hits, fair amount of repeated info, but out of all this may come a slightly more fleshed-out view. The article I posted had more installments on Blackwater, but some of the links don't work--may they can be found on the newspaper's site search.

Cheers.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:47 AM
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15. Thanks! I had googled the news.. Found this interesting...
A month ago, Blackwater USA founder Erik D. Prince enjoyed a surprising level of anonymity.

Not many people knew just how big his Moyock, N.C.-based company was. Few knew how prevalent private security firms were in Iraq. Even fewer knew that the sandy-haired , blue-eyed 34-year-old hailed from one of the wealthiest and best-connected families in Michigan.
...
Gary Bauer, a conservative activist and one-time presidential candidate, counted Edgar D. Prince – Erik’s father – among his inner circle. In 1988, Prince helped Bauer start the Family Research Council, a “pro-family” lobbying group.

“I cannot adequately describe here how much I have depended on his wisdom and counsel over the years,” Bauer once wrote in a letter to council members.
...
While Elsa Prince is still active in town, the most well-known family member is Erik’s sister, Betsy. She married Dick DeVos, whose father, Richard, is co-founder of Amway, owner of the Orlando Magic basketball team and No. 216 on Forbes’ most recent list of the world’s richest people , with a net worth estimated at $2.4 billion.

Betsy DeVos is a mover and shaker in her own right. She chaired the Michigan Republican Party for several years and personally collected millions of dollars from the Princes and DeVoses for her top cause: school vouchers. She declined to comment about her brother for this story.
...
In the days following the deaths of his employees, Prince briefed key members of Congress, including Sen. John Warner, R-Va .

Prince also hired Alexander Strategy Group, an influential Beltway firm known for its strong Republican ties, to represent Blackwater as it faces questions from Congress.

Prince’s family connections might not get him contracts, but they could help if Blackwater starts feeling the heat, said William Hartung, the president’s fellow at the New School’s World Policy Institute in New York City.
http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/001735.html



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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:07 AM
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17. Alexander Strategy Group is tied in with Delay and Abramoff
It was founded by Delay's former chief of staff, Ed Buckham, and the name comes up repeatedly in accounts of the various Abramoff-sponsored overseas trips.

There was an enlightening thread on them here last spring;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1710888

That Blackwater would have hired them is probably par for the course, but is not at all reassuring.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:16 PM
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33. Oh wow
It goes back to the same people ALWAYS. They're all connected. And I remember some time ago someone did a post that connected all these "religious right" groups together and to the GOP. They're all working on the same team and using religion to get what they want.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:25 PM
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38. Note:
"Dick" DeVos is running for govenor of Michigan in 06, against Jennifer Granholm.
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:33 AM
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11. If they are ever in my neighborhood, I will shoot them
If they attempt to 'enforce the law' on me or enter onto my property for any reason. Mercenaries are criminals under Posse Commitatus and international law and should be treated as such.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:18 PM
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34. Yes
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 03:18 PM by FreedomAngel82
It's definitley illegal. Just because they are dressed up like a police or military authority doesn't make them such. This is why you should be careful. I betcha if martial law does come to the whole country these private groups will be the one's to do it. They don't answer to the government but to their private boss who will answer directly to the Bush administration.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:30 PM
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40. Shoot them? They WILL shoot back, and very accurately too.
Just because you don't like them, does not mean that they are a bunch of Keystone Cops, and that by virtue of your righteousness that you will win. They are EXTREMELY well trained.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:34 AM
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12. Are There Any Pictures Of These Blackwater Dudes On The .....
ground in NO?
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:40 AM
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14. I was just thinking the same thing
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 09:40 AM by Beacho
It would seem that they are already trespassing in somebodies apartment and committed an act of 'brigandage'

and ISREALI mercs? What's next the fucking Wild Geese?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, mercs are scum
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bostonbabs Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:55 AM
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16. kick........n/t
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:31 AM
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18. And not just any Israelis-
Outfits like ISI are probably full of EX Metsada and other units of Israeli spec ops in which they were trained, but have since been cycled out. These folks know no law, and probably travel under diplomatic immunity.

The deadlist of the deadly

Your new slavemasters...in service to the plantation owners

Treason in the highest order.

SCUM like Erik Prince need to be compromised publicly & immediately
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 06:30 PM
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47. It's just a little pic....
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:16 AM
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20. Please cross-post this to FreeRepublic.com as well
I think this is the kind of thing that would get the freepers upset as well.

They're always so worried about UN soldiers coming and taking over the US. They'd probably be very pissed also if they knew we had an army of private mercenaries running the streets with authorization to use lethal force.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:21 PM
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35. I doubt it
They'd probably say they deserve it or whatever. They wouldn't care.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 05:33 PM
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44. Naw, if they are Christofascist Repuke thugs, the Freepers will CHEER them
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:25 AM
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21. Very creepy and disturbing.
Mercenaries, by nature, have loyalty to nothing but money. Morality is not part of their makeup. They would shoot one another if the price were high enough.

They make all this money, they take part of it to contribute to Repub campaigns to keep the vicious cycle going. I try very hard not to despise extremely wealthy Repubs, but stories about people like the Prince family make it difficult not to hold them in utter contempt.
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:28 AM
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22. Why are these groups no different than the posses in Somalia
who were protecting certain chieftain's territories, shooting people at will, riding around on the back of trucks, to enforce their ideas of security. Geez what is this country coming to?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:22 PM
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36. Exactly
It's the exact same thing.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:46 AM
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23. "Instinctive Shooting International"?? Is this for real?
What kind of name is this for a private security company? Why not just call it Capricious Executions, Inc.? If it's anything like its American counterparts, it's probably staffed with ex-Israeli paratroopers and other fearsome types.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:02 PM
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25. Check out their web site
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 12:20 PM by suegeo
http://www.isiusa.us/main.html

Scared yet?

ON EDIT: They have their own training facility in Texas. Who needs the School of the Americas anymore, we'll just privatize the "how to terrorize the public" school.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:25 PM
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39. Countering Global terrorism?
I like to think of it as helping global terrorism.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:42 PM
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50. I was already scared before I went to the website.
In their mission statement under instructor training they teach:

g. Purity of arms

WTF over, purity of arms. What do they do, pour blood of virgins down their barrels? What does this mean? WTF does this mean?

Oh, OK, wiki solved this one for me (NOT):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_of_Arms
I will never trust anyone who has to have an official doctrine that says they will act like a human being. WTF over.
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Tower Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:13 PM
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26. Remember those burnt bodies from Fallujah? They were Blackwater, IIRC.
Not as tough as they thought they were, apparently.

I shed not a single tear for dead mercs.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:48 PM
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28. kick
:scared: :kick:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:59 PM
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29. Great thread title.
Kick.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:10 PM
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30. Very scary
It's like a war zone down there. What if they get someone who is innocent? :\
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:24 PM
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37. Something that really pointed out to me
is there is an ISRAELI group! WTF is that about?! Why are Israeli's here? And also someone didn't know where New Orleans was?! Was this an American???
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:34 AM
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53. No some of them are from Chile
Did I spell the name of that country correctly?

Anyway, the article's author was on Democracy Now, and he said lots of these mercs are not american. Some were from Pinochet's gang.

So, they don't have to have the Nat'l Guard shoot students at Kent State. Instead, these private goons will do it, gladly, since they are not shooting at their own countrymen, neighbors, family,etc.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 04:46 PM
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42. "black gangbangers"...
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 04:47 PM by DubyasWorld
= a group of black teens with baggy clothes playing rap music just a little too loudly.

a real threat to nola security.
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:22 PM
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49. I just read that in the hard copy version I rec'd today.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:14 PM
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51. HOLY SHIT!!! THIS is what we should have been protesting in DC today!
This is the face of fascism on our own soil, and is TOTALLY unacceptable.

We need to write/call/fax and HOUND our representatives (State and Federal! State, because we don't EVER want to have this happen in OUR OWN State in the event of an emergency!! DON'T let New Orleans set an "example" for this!!!) and tell them THIS IS ILLEGAL AND UNACCEPTABLE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....PERIOD!!!

If we sit idly by and let it happen THIS time, we're only asking for it to happen again...and again...and again. ONCE IS TOO MANY! It needs to be SLAMMED on congress that we are outraged by this!

I'm bookmarking this thread, and will be bringing it back up when everyone comes back from the weekend. We aren't going to have that kind of thing going on in the USA.

:kick::kick::kick:
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:31 PM
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52. Never thought in my wildest dreams, time to get a gun and learn
how to use it. I swear on the Holy Bible, that nothing could get me to buy a gun. Well, rethinking the whole mess. I have already thought about the shots I'd take, shoulder and knee. I would never intentionally kill anyone, but maim them so they couldn't harm anyone else, Hell Yes!
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