Will Pitt posting dumpsters overturned. Police moving in

[Generic Other]

Dumpster
By William Rivers Pitt
Saturday 24 September 2005 3:24 PM

The Bloc just flipped a dumpster into the road. They are trashing newspaper boxes and leaving them in the middle of the streets. The cops are moving in.

Black Bloc
By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 3:19 PM

The Black Bloc is on the move, passing me right now and telling about burning down McDonalds. I am going to follow them a bit to see if they start any chaos.

The people in Mickey Ds look decidedly nervous.


http://www.truthout.org/campcaseydc.shtml

[KyndCulture]

1. whoa

:wtf:

[MelissaB]

2. Who is "The Black Bloc"?

[Emit]

19. Anarchists

~snip~
A black bloc is a collection of anarchists and anarchist affinity groups that organize together for a particular protest action.The flavor of the blackbloc changes from action to action, but the main goals are to provide solidarity in the face of a repressive police state and to convey an anarchist critique of whatever is being protested that day.
~snip~

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:hWlyMeUmtGwJ:www.infoshop.org/blackbloc.html+Black+Bloc+&hl=en

[Lecky]

26. Oh fucking wonderful

[salin]

31. go back to link for follow up. Hi-larious.

[JohnLocke]

Here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

[JohnLocke]

51. Here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

[jsamuel]

3. What is the "Black Bloc"?

[justiceischeap]

7. Ultra militant protestors-Definition and link in here.

http://www.infoshop.org/blackbloc.html

Black blocs have been in the news often in recent years as militant protests grow against capitalism, the state, and war. This series of web pages attempts to explain what black blocs are, who does them, their history, and how to do organize one. There are also many misconceptions out there about black blocs, which we will try to address.

A black bloc is a collection of anarchists and anarchist affinity groups that organize together for a particular protest action.The flavor of the blackbloc changes from action to action, but the main goals are to provide solidarity in the face of a repressive police state and to convey an anarchist critique of whatever is being protested that day.

[MADem]

43. Why can't those fuckers turn up at the Free Republic rallies??? nt

[SpiralHawk]

49. Agents Provocateurs

Likely in the employ of BushCo UnLtd.

[earth mom]

53. Good call! EXACTLY what I was thinking. eom

[justiceischeap]

60. Do you also think that ALF and ELF

are Agent Provacateurs, out to harm the image of Animal Rights & Environmental groups?

Not every militant group is under BushCo control. You are giving the administration way too much credit.

[Mr_Spock]

4. Yikes - who are these "Black Bloc" people anyway?

I haven't heard of them before...

[New Earth]

5. what is the Black Bloc?

[salin]

15. curious

almost reads as spoof... wonder what's going on.

[Jeanette in FL]

6. Now the media will tune in

When I read Will's Blog I thought now is when the media will start covering it. All day long peaceful and when a little trouble starts they will concentrate on that.

[Cerridwen]

8. Well, now the media will cover /sarcasm .... n/t

[halobeam]

14. I said the same thing, and I wasn't being sarcastic.....

this is what they want. I truly believe this at this point. They don't support peaceful march nor a peaceful society... doesn't sell well.

[jasmeel]

9. Black bloc is an anarchist group I think

http://www.infoshop.org/blackbloc.html

[salin]

18. ugh!

[halobeam]

10. Now we are bad.....

now the media might show it. This admin. doesn't support peace in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

[skooooo]

12. Screw the media, and screw Bush..

The only way real change has ever come in this country is through violent protest. That's a sad fact.

[Name removed]

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[fiveleafclover]

57. I don't like violence either

The sad fact is that's what the media wants to cover. There's a saying in news..."if it bleeds, it leads". Well, unless we're talking about soldiers in Iraq.

I don't think we should be violent to get attention from the media. But as it stands now, the media probably won't pay much attention unless things go wrong and people get mean. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

[skooooo]

66. Stating a fact....

Just stating a fact. Refute what I said before attacking me.

[ewagner]

11. The Black Bloc?

Who the hell are they?

Are they infiltrators?

[YOY]

22. Anarchists

They f*** up everything they touch.

There are theories that they are brought in/supported by RWers in clandestine to disrupt peaceful protesters.

In a word "idiots". They have no viable better solution, but love to criticize everyone else way.

Mark my words "Fox News" will make the entirety of the protestors out to be affiliated with this lot of fools.

[ewagner]

37. Read the "primer"

these guys are punks without any real cause or common sense....

Our folks should turn on them and get them out of there.....

[justiceischeap]

41. Ummm, that kinda defeats the purpose of democracy

Doesn't it?

Everyone protests in different ways and I believe if Black Bloc generates M$M coverage, then they have done their job for this protest. Because when NBC starts covering them they'll cover the rest, 'cause they're already there.

[YOY]

48. Begging your pardon

What "primer"? It this a book? A link?

I had a run in back at Kent State with some of their lot. The conversation proved to me that we left-wingers too have flaming idiots on the fringes on levels with the skinheads and the fundies. Most were not over 22 but knew EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING!!!
(and this is coming from a self confessed know-it-all.)

[ewagner]

61. Sorry for the late reply

Here's a link to the "primer:

:hi:

http://www.infoshop.org/blackbloc.html

[YOY]

70. Danke n/t

Just who I thought they were.

[sam sarrha]

40. I heard years ago they were trained in 'WELL' organized camps

i got the impression they were sponsored by Ultra Right Wingers to make the protesters look like criminals.. and invalidate their cause.

[NashVegas]

59. So-Called Anarchists

The whole point of anarchy is to peaceably co-exist without the need for law. Black bloc defeat, rather than promote, the notion of anarchy.

[phusion]

67. THANK YOU.

well said...

[eleny]

13. No wonder the news is that MSNBC is settng up

I smell a setup.

[jasmeel]

16. They are setting up? Interesting.

[eleny]

44. There's a thread about it somewhere here in GD

It's still flood coverage now.

But I still smell a rat about this violence. I believe it's a gov't group starting up crap.

[halobeam]

20. It's like hollywood.....bad publicity is good publicity......

damn it. What are people supposed to do??? There's a media blackout for a peaceful protest, and these people HAVE THE RIGHT to be heard. When their rights get stomped on, they are going to fight back. It's inevitable. and yes, a setup, and yes...sad.

[justiceischeap]

23. No, no set-up, these folks are hard core.

They like to cause damage to corporate entities. This gets media coverage.

[eleny]

47. How do you know they aren't a gov't group from inception?

It won't be the first time.

[justiceischeap]

54. I know some Black Bloc folks

and if they're a government group, then they hide it very well. The folks I know are all about anti-globalization and most certainly are not "friends" with the government.

[geomon666]

58. Maybe you can ask them...

Why they feel need to incite violence at a peaceful protest.

[justiceischeap]

62. Because that's what they do...

Whether you agree with their tactics or not, it's how they do things. They are mostly punk kids who use protests to "break" stuff. I'm not saying they are right in what they do but generally extremism gets the coverage. It's not their fault it's that way, it's the general public who turn in to see that kind of shit.

[geomon666]

63. Yes I know that's what they do.

And it's exactly what we don't need. It gives the media in this country an excuse to ignore the message.

[Maraya1969]

17. S'cuse me but what's a bloc?

[AX10]

21. The police should arrest them then.

We don't need the Asshat's ruining our rally. These anarchists are just the leftist version of McVeigh.

[salin]

28. guess the cops were laughing at them, instead.

[MADem]

46. DC cops are pretty sensible, most oppose the war

Their ranks have been stripped because so many of those guys are in the reserves. They want their brothers and sisters HOME, because it takes the load off them. You can't work $pecial details when you are working extra shifts, takes too much out of you....

[Emit]

30. They were probably the ones

That lit that dragon thing on fire at that last big rally--I think at the Republican Nat'l Convention last year in NYC--remember that?

[Stephanie]

39. I was about half a block away from it

It was right in front of Madison Square Garden. We were penned in behind high fences and concrete barriers and behind the fence there were cops three deep with huge rifles. When the dragon burned all this smoke went up but there was nowhere to go, we were penned in, so we just stood still and waited until things calmed down and then we started marching again. Hated them for doing that. It was freaking scary.

[Emit]

50. Wow! Then I probably saw you on TV-CSPAN

'Cause I watched that happen, and like today with ANSWER and these feaken' anarchists who are getting all the coverage, I was screamin' at that time "That's not what this is all about!!!"

So, I gues MSM will focus on these anarchists? Rhetorical question. No response needed really.

Anyway, thanks for the story...I'm glad you weren't hurt when that happened.

[malaise]

55. Wow

MSNBC is actually running a snake about the protests in DC and London. Guess all those phone calls worked.

[Emit]

56. Don't have access to MSNBC 'til later...

Are they showing any pics or footage? Tx in advance, and Tx for the heads up. I had just e-mailed them to request coverage.

[malaise]

64. Not yet ..it's all Rita n/t

[halobeam]

32. true, and it makes the other half million look bad....

it's not like they are just having a sit down, blocking traffic or something where they aren't allowed to protest.... that is civil disobedience... this is getting more threatening/violent. No good.

[salin]

24. bwahaha "the cops were laughing at them."

Gone
By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 3:32 PM

The Bloc went one way, I am going another.

The cops were laughing at them.

[jasmeel]

25. Will reports...

The Bloc went one way, I am going another.

The cops were laughing at them.

[Roland99]

27. 600,000 people??

[soleft]

29. Are they the guys who set the dragon on fire at NY march

[Emit]

34. Jinx. Just asked that same ?. Probably, they are. n/t

[Jeanette in FL]

33. Latest from Will

Gone
By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 3:32 PM

The Bloc went one way, I am going another.

The cops were laughing at them.

[AX10]

35. No arrest?

[salin]

38. guessing they were too pathetic

to do anything but laugh at.

[sam sarrha]

45. Proves to me they are sponsored by the Right Wingers for media purposes

[Emit]

52. Hmmm. My first thought even before they weren't arrested. n/t

[Maraya1969]

42. Note to self: Refresh Page before you ask a question

[Generic Other]

65. Update: Will chastises bloc

Annoyed
By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 4:03 PM

With a minute to breathe, I am going to talk a second about what I just saw with the Black Bloc crew. There were maybe about 200 of them, separated from the main march by several blocks. They traveled in a clot, shook their fists at McDonalds, threw dumpsters and newspaper boxes into the street, and generally made noise. The police were amused.

I was not. Screw these people. Screw them for their mindless violence against stuff in the street - we blocked traffic in the middle of a traffic jam, ooooh. Screw them for diverting attention from the main march. Camera crews were sparse at the main rally, because the cameras are spread all over the city. Yet of course, camera crews scrambled after these blivets like pilot fish. I'll bet you a dollar the corporate media will use these infants as representatives of the main.

Oh, yeah, and they were all white kids. Twenty-something tattoed white kids with piercings in their piercings. If they are representing the downtrodden, they sure didn't have any in their crew. The ethnic makeup of the main march was as diverse as I have ever seen. These Black Bloc cretins should go home and do their homework or something. I think their mothers are calling.

[skooooo]

68. White people can't be downtrodden?

I know nothing about the group, and maybe they are worthless, but I have issues with the idea that white people can't be oppressed.

[zulchzulu]

69. These assholes tried to ruin peace marches in SF

I'm certain they are paid by the GOP. Fuckwads...