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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:05 AM
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Did you all hear Russert say "Everyone believed Iraq had WMD" and
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 11:07 AM by KoKo01
he then went on to list the British, the French the Weapons Inspectors..well just EVERYONE!

No one called him down, or reminded him that Ambassador Joe Wilson was on his show telling Russert there was no Niger Yellow Cake and Russert even had to testify to a Grand Jury about what he knew about the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson's name to the media.

How could he sit there an lie like that. Hundreds of thousands of citizens in countries all over the world knew there weren't any WMD and they marched in DC and in the streets of Europe trying to tell people.

Made me wonder if he'd lost his mind...or if he's just a stupid put up job whose whole show is put together, including the questions and video, by the Right Wing (or as some have said, the PsyOp's division of the CIA)

Why in the world would he say that? He made himself look like a clueless fool? :shrug:

(BTW: I know that Aaron Broussard deservedly ripped him to shreds..I just wanted to post about a different part of the show with Dowd, Friedman and Brooks where Russert made that statement.)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:07 AM
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1. Someone should ask Russert if he has a Republcian political
agenda because no journalist could get paid the bucks he's being paid with that level of inaccuracy, unless there's something going on behind the scenes.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:28 AM
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11. Well, I e-mailed MSNBC's MTP and complained about Broussard
attack..and mentioned I'd stopped watching because the show seems to be Republican propaganda. I didn't mention the WMD segment because I tried to keep the complaint short knowing they won't read anything over three short paragraphs.

Maybe some other folks would like to complain about the Plame/Yellow Cake incident and ask how Russert seemed to miss so much about whether there were WMD or not...and how does he explain that he had Wilson on his show and was questioned about the Plame leak.

Might be good day to go after Meet the Press on the Broussard Momentum. :shrug:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:36 PM
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24. Good idea.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:07 AM
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2. Russert's a jerk
I really liked the way that guy (can't remember his name) gave him hell for nit picking his breakdown. Kinda exposed his pettiness.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:08 AM
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3. I guess that about proves that Russert isn't in the CIA.
What spooky organization does he work for?
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:10 AM
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4. His point was the CLINTONS believed it
His entire speel was because he wanted to proclaim that both Bill and Hillary Clinton believed there were WMDs. His little swipe at them, but don't be fooled -- there is no one the "right" would rather see us run than Hillary. She is their chosen opponent.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:31 AM
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14. Yes....thank you for reminding me...he said the Clinton's believed it, too
I was so boiling mad over the Broussard dress down that my mind forgot that important point. He seemed to be using the typical RW ploy blaming the Clintons (probably why I forgot it...so used to hearing it) but that was also odd. Dragging the Clintons in to defend his own cluelessness.

:shrug:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:11 AM
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5. Yes! Excellent point KoKo01...
He said that Blix thought there were WMDs there also. I don't recall that? I recall that Blix kept saying we could find no WMDs and there was no evidence that Saddam had WMDs. Did Blix really say he thought Saddam had WMDs, as Russert stated?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:35 AM
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15. That bothered me too.
Russert might be "technically correct" in that Blix said the UN needed more time and he tried to get Bush and UN to give him the time. I've tried to remember the exact time frame...but I think Blix at that point said he hadn't found any but he needed more time to search.. :shrug:

I'll Google and see if I can come up with anything.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:54 AM
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16. "Blix: No 'Smoking Guns in Iraq" Guardian 1/9/03 (Russert Wrong!)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,871735,00.html

Blix: no 'smoking guns' in Iraq

Staff and agencies
Thursday January 9, 2003

UN weapons inspectors have not found any "smoking guns" in Iraq during their search for weapons of mass destruction, Hans Blix, the chief inspector said today.

However he added that Iraq's 12,000 page weapons declaration was incomplete - a charge immediately disputed by the chief science adviser to Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein.

Mr Blix and his counterpart Mohammed el-Baradei, who heads the International Atomic Energy Agency, today delivered interim assessments to the UN Security Council in New York on Iraq's weapons declaration.

The move comes ahead of the delivery of a formal report on the inspections by Mr Blix on January 27.

Today Mr Blix told reporters at the United Nations headquarters in New York: "We have now been there for some two months and been covering the country in ever wider sweeps and we haven't found any smoking guns." But he added: "We think that the declaration failed to answer a great many questions". He called on Iraq to answer outstanding questions in the declaration on chemical, biological and missile programs, which is required under Resolution 1441. "Iraq may have more to say. I hope so," he said.

However Iraq's official press agency challenged the United States and Britain to prove allegations that Baghdad is hiding weapons of mass destruction.

Saddam's presidential adviser Amir al-Saadi told a visiting South African delegation he could cite specific information in the report, submitted to the United Nations last month, to refute claims that Iraq has not eliminated banned weapons.

"People who claim there were gaps, I could tell you right away they have not read it," he said. "There were no gaps, and I could give you where to find the answers in the specific pages or tables and information."

After his last briefing to the council on December 19, Mr Blix urged the United States and Britain to hand over any evidence they have about Iraq's secret weapons programs so UN inspectors can check it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,871735,00.html

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:34 PM
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25. KoKo01
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:17 AM
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6. Pussycat in Bull Dog's Clothing
http://www.freesqueeze.com/timrussert.htm

Just when I think Russert has wrenched himself free from Rove's hip pocket...

As I recall, the ol' soft shoe presentation that was the pre-Iraq war lies was pretty obvious. I didn't know what the truth was but they (Condi, Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rummy) didn't seem to believe what they were saying themselves.

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:18 AM
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7. They sure do love their revisionist history. nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:19 AM
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8. THE FUCKING UNITED NATIONS FOUND NOTHING.
Remember bush* told them to get out. They found nothing. They were IN iraq.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:19 AM
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9. I didn't Timmie...and I'll bet you had access to the same news I did.
Hopefully, it will come out in his trial as an accomplice to treason.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:25 AM
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10. I guess he forget out the millions of people around the world protesting
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 11:26 AM by MazeRat7
just before the war.... we didn't believe it either. We wanted more time for inspectors to verify what some in the public light were trying to say in spite of the attempts to silence or marginalize them. But I guess that doesn't count....

MZr7

edited: bad grammer :o
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:29 AM
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12. there is a truth in this and works to our advantage. it is also what
repugs are saying. lets give it to them, most everyone thought there would be wmd's. points

wmd's were not reason to go to war. bush knew that would not give him support of the nation. nuclear was seperate of wmd

how old and how much wmds. most felt that weapons we gave them in late 80's would be found. spoiled, unusable, and too few

we knew they could not reach us so was not a threat

it wasnt wmds as the issue way back then. it was the drones, tubes and mushroom clouds. so those wmds could reach us. and making of bomb.

that was the argument back then. not that there were or were not wmds, but were they a threat to us. that is the lie

then throw in how they were finding out more and more thru inspection that there may not be any, they had to go to war fast

dont forget, saddam said i give in oct. bush said no, i want war

and much more
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:30 AM
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13. I have seen him do this before. He throws it out there to justify going to
war, and yes, no one ever calls him on it. He also said that Bill and Hillary said there were weapons......
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:57 AM
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17. If Russert Lied about Blix Report,did he lie about what Clinton's thought?
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 11:58 AM by KoKo01
Does anyone know what the Clintons have said about WMD?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,871735,00.html

Blix accuses UK and US of spin over Iraq

Agencies
Thursday September 18, 2003

Hans Blix, the former UN chief weapons inspector, today accused the British and American governments of spinning intelligence ahead of the Iraq war.

Making reference to the UK's September dossier, over which two intelligence officials have told the Hutton inquiry they expressed concerns, Mr Blix said that information about Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction was "over-interpreted", with "spin" being allowed to infect the presentation of Iraq's military capabilities.

"The UK paper, the document in September last year, with the famous words about 45 minutes, when you read the text exactly, I get the impression it wants to convey - to lead - the reader to conclusions that are a little further-reaching than the text really means," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

"What stands accused is the culture of spin, of hyping. Advertisers will advertise a refrigerator in terms that we don't quite believe in. But we expect governments to be more serious and to have more credibility."

Mr Blix yesterday told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that he believed Iraq had destroyed "all, almost" of the weapons of mass destruction it had in its possession at the end of the 1991 Gulf war. He said that Saddam possibly kept up the appearance of having the weapons to deter a military attack.

"I mean, you can put up a sign on a door saying 'beware of the dog' without having a dog," he said from his home in Sweden.

He today told the BBC that the believed the US and UK were convinced Saddam was developing WMDs - and said he considered it "understandable against the background of the man that they did so" - but said there was no conclusive proof of their existence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1044666,00.html
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Chi-Town Exile Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:05 PM
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18. Tim's been spending way too much time under Rove's desk
Jeez ... I remember when Russert used to be a Liberal. Unfortunately that was a long time ago, btw, Tim's put on some more weight, hasn't he? LOL :puke:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:08 PM
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19. By the second day of the invasion I knew he didn't have any.
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 12:09 PM by DanCa
I confess I bit my tongue when the war talk started, but my suspicion was raised by W's rush to war, and squashing all forms of decent. What clinched it for me was that if Saddam would have had wmd's he would have used by then.Note I was always against a preemptive strike against saddam, because I believe that the united states should never be an aggressor unless it has to.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:13 PM
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20. "Everyone believed Iraq had WMD"
Heard Andrea Mitchell make the same claim on an NPR interview on Friday with zero challenge from the NPR interviewer (so glad we have this last bastion of "alternative" voice in the MSM ... NOT). Guess we're supposed to go "o well, we meant well" and forget that we illegally and immorally invaded another nation, killed tens-of-thousands (if not over a hundred thousand) of its citizens, and laid its infrastructure to ruin.

However, even in the MSM, I recall pre-war a number of articles sourced from mid-level CIA personnel, military generals, and of course Scott Ritter, all giving doubt to any significant presence of WMD in Iraq and questioning Bush's motives and honesty.

Both Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice are both on video, prior to the Orwellian march to war, announcing that Iraq represented zero threat to the U.S., our allies, or its neighbors. I think the videos were from the February 2002 timeframe. This literally right before the decision to wage imperial war. The march began a few months later when Condi announced with scowl that Saddam Hussein appeared to be holding a pilot from the first Gulf War prisoner somewhere in the bowels of Baghdad. Clearly a trial balloon to see how much anger and death-lust it could rile up. When I saw Condi make the announcement at a Sunday press conference, I turned to my wife and said we'd be at war with Iraq within a year.

But WMD are beside the point when it comes to the wrongness of the Bush ambition for war. At the risk of raising annoyance when quoting myself, I offer what I wrote in March 2003 on the matter:

"First, I see no reason to believe that Iraq represents the intensity of threat that the GWB administration has claimed; there has been zero serious evidence that the U.S. or our friends face imminent threat of any kind from Iraq. Instead, there has been a laughable series of half-truths, eliding justifications, and bald-faced lies. I therefore don't see any legal or moral justification for attacking Iraq at this time.

Second, I suggest the U.S. keep to its sound principles of Deterrence and Containment. They represent principles that have served our security interests very well since WWII. I reject the National Security Strategy’s newly announced (9/20/2002) principle of pre-emptive aggression (as well as the rest of its happy-politics-speak rewrite of the PNAC agenda).

I understand the arguments that, in the age of WMD proliferation and of ferocious terrorist will (greatly elevated with the attacks of 9-11), we may now need to rethink policy. Significant threats may no longer announce themselves as armies massing along borders, allowing time for security-maintaining (and legal) first strikes based on observed imminent threats. Some reasonable and thoughtful people today believe that the first sign of "imminent threat" might now be a rising mushroom cloud over Manhattan or Washington DC. They think, therefore, we must eliminate, not just real present threats, but the potential for such threats to emerge. Children and mothers in foreign lands might have to die based on a whim and a fear held by our President that someday – perhaps in a month, a year, or ten years – their leaders may develop the means and the will to attack the United States directly or by proxy via terrorists. Saddam Hussein, for example, might be developing nuclear weapons, and he might share them with terrorists, therefore we must amass our armies on his borders and attack to protect ourselves. I wholly reject this thinking.

Iraq has not sent its armies outside its borders since 1990; by our own CIA's reporting, they have had zero involvement with international terrorism since 1993. They have only used WMD twice, in 1988 and 1983 (while allied with U.S. interests). It's now, what? 2003? Deterrence and Containment works, my friends, and has been working very well in the case of Iraq for over a decade. Why abandon these sound principles now?

When in 1990 dear April Glaspie gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait (OK, a neutral light), we then hit Iraq with overwhelming force and pushed them back into their own borders. We did so quickly, legally, and morally; we were triggering the muscle of Deterrence and Containment. Iraq paid a terrible price for the foolhardy actions of their leader. Both his regime, and much of the rest of the world, learned that the U.S. has the might and the will to uphold the sanctity of sovereign borders (at least when its in our self-interest). The UN sanctions, UN inspection regimes, and no-fly zones (which are not authorized by the UN) have effectively quelled all further Iraqi aggression. Saddam Hussein has been successfully deterred from all further adventurism. Again, Deterrence and Containment worked and continues to work. Who disputes this?

Some say, "we can't continue to absorb the expense of maintaining the no-fly zones". Why not? Maintaining them is hugely less expensive than the estimated costs of war, rebuilding, and occupation, never mind the future costs that will accrue through erosion of our moral standing throughout the world.

Some say, "the sanctions are barbaric and must be stopped; we need to exact 'regime change' in order to do so". Bunk! We could've stopped the sanctions before they started. They have almost zero to do with why Saddam Hussein has not resumed his own desires for empire (which are greatly dwarfed by the ambitions of our own Caesar, thirsting for a new millennial Pax Americana). The example of Gulf War I, plus the no-fly zones and inspection regimes are what held him in check.

Some say, "Saddam is brutal, vile, represses his people -- war will free the Iraqi people and allow American-style democracy to emerge". If the lessons of history didn't stand in my way, I might believe this to be our motive and thus democracy the likely outcome. But our actions in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Panama, Grenada, Colombia, Chile (to name a few) lead me to believe the more likely outcome is the installation of a new repressive regime more friendly to American corporate interests.

So: Why abandon the sound principles of Deterrence and Containment now and leap to a new policy of pre-emptive attack? Where is the justification? Where is the evidence? Where is the imminent threat? Where is the moral clarity? I've been waiting for a smidgeon of these things since I first heard Condi Rice announce with feigned fervor and concern, back in March of 2002, that Iraq might be holding as a prisoner a pilot downed during the first hours of the first Gulf War. Trial balloon #1? You betcha! How can anyone trust anything these people have said since?

I recall Admiral Billingslea's testimony before Congress in the summer of 2002 overviewing the risks associated with unfriendly nations harboring terrorist groups (several of which undisputedly reside in Iraq -- though not Al Qaeda) while at the same time acquiring or building WMD. The fear is that one day an unfriendly leader will hand these weapons of violence to a terrorist group willing to use them.

First, its notable that the only weapons of mass destruction used to date have been fuel-full Boeing 747's with boxcutters serving as triggers. The leaders in unfriendly nations have so far refrained from sharing their WMD with terrorist groups for the same reason the U.S. has refused, for example, to share ours with terrorist client states: There is nothing to gain by it and more to lose. These are our toys, the powerful think, an underpinning of our power. Why dilute matters by sharing these means with others?

What the Billingslea argument demands is vigilant anti-proliferation regimes, not implementation of the insane Bush Doctrine underway now, where Iraq is to serve as an example to the rest of the world of our willingness to use our overwhelming force to unilaterally further our self-interest (the self-interest of an elite few at the top of our socioeconomic ladder). The message: Bend to our will, or else. It’s the message of the schoolyard bully.

So, if at the nation-state level Deterrence and Containment still works, why discontinue it now? And if 9-11 examples the stealthiness of future threat, then I advise that we thoroughly examine how 9-11 came to be. I remain puzzled why the GWB administration didn't on 9/12 authorize a full and complete investigation into how our hundreds of billion dollar security apparatus failed to prevent 9-11.

When that hijacker's passport magically appeared in the WTC rubble -- or was it when I learned that we already had full active Air Force protocols to follow whenever a domestic jet is hijacked that were, for some unexplained reason, NOT followed on 9-11 -- or was it when we were promised a full "white paper" detailing the evidence of Al Qaeda involvement, evidence that has never been presented to the world -- these things lead me to conclude that this war has just about nothing to do with WMD or terrorism or the desire to bring democracy to Iraq (after all, GWB's dad promised the same thing for Kuwait!), but instead more likely is meant to advance the interests of, well, whom? Halliburton? They have, note, already been awarded huge post-war contracts, and dear Cheney still receives $1mm a year from his old firm. Who else is lined up at the trough? But mostly, the question to ask is who's megalomaniacal ego will be advanced? Who is it that desires future schoolchildren to sing songs praising their names? What arrogance! And what folly!!

(And who PAYS for war, rebuilding, and occupation? Meanwhile GWB pushes a second trillion dollar tax break for the wealthy while polishing future speeches that surely will inform us that we can no longer afford Medicare and Social Security as we know it, or occupational and environmental regulations, or money for educating our young or feeding our needy. What a F*CKING DAMN TRAVESTY! And it continues...)

OK. Rant over. You can all go back to your seats and carry on..."

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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:23 PM
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21. "Everyone" except Colin Powell and Condi Rice
"He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
-Colin Powell February 24, 2001 Cairo, Egypt

"But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
-Condoleeza Rice, July 29 2001 on CNN

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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:26 PM
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22. So than did russert say the Vatican was lyin?
Pope John Paul 2- and I disagreed about a lot of things- but wasn't he against preemption as well?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:35 PM
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23. Big Tim had a bad day. DU'ers E-Mailing over Broussard and WMD!
Keep it up. He deserves to hear from us...
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Toasted_Halo Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 03:37 PM
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26. Russert is such an ass!
Especially his phony outrage. Then he goes on Imus and says the opposite, he does it all the time.
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