Bill Bennett lets the cat out of the bag!

[Cocoa]

just said on his radio show that Bush spent yesterday at the "Weather Control Center."

:tinfoilhat:

[dbt]

1. That stealthy cat's been out of the bag since March 3, 2005.

That was the day Kay Hutchison (R-Texas) introduced S 517: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005.

You can read the full text of the bill here.

Remember New Orleans

[sattahipdeep]

34. Private or public

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements
with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an
appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or
an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for
conducting weather modification activities....

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:s517:

[ladylibertee]

2. I don't get it.Explain.

[justiceischeap]

3. Some folks believe

The government is trying to figure out how to harness the weather to use as a weapon, whether against foreign soil or on our own land.

Some of those same folks think Katrina was a test of control and NOLA was the test subject.

[Skidmore]

4. That's ridiculous. If it were true, what possible purpose would

the have for testing such a thing against a major US port. That is absolutely idiotic.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. That's never stopped anyone...

...from posting it here before.

:)

[illuminaughty]

7. Read up on HAARP then ask Cui bono?

Never mind, they will openly discuss it in Congress first week of October. Many countries have this technology and have had for sometime now.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Assertions

illuminaughty writes: Many countries have this technology and have had for sometime now.

You have made specific assertions.

List here many countries that have this "technology", please.

Say what you mean by "some time now". Ideally you will say when each country gained the "technology".

[illuminaughty]

18. Yes, and IDEALLY I'd work for the fucking CIA and can tell

you the exact results of Project Monarch.

Norway most recently. Russia has had it since early 70's.
Check out "Arsenal of Hypocrisy", a documentary about the the real purpose of NASA. Or something as benign as "Owning the Weather" which recently appeared on the Discovery Channel.

[elehhhhna]

29. The American Native Population has raindances. Does that count?

tinfoil, anyone?

Clouds can be seeded but making and directing a hurricaine? Methinks they'd have tested it offshore. Really.

[converted_democrat]

40. I can tell you this......

I'm not saying that weather is completely controllable, and I'm not saying that it can be used as a weapon, but I personally know of one "seeding" that occurred in the late 1980's. 1988 was one of the worst droughts my family's farm had ever been through. We lived at that time in Clinton County and had farms there, and in Fayette County. (Ohio) At that time there were 5 prominent farming families in that area including mine. (My family actually does little farming now, and has moved into buying farm equipment dealerships all over Ohio and Kentucky.)
One of the kids that belonged to on of the "families" was going to Wilmington Quaker College which is know for its great ag programs. (He was going to summer classes to graduate early) Somehow he had come into contact with a kid whose father had experimented with "seeding" clouds in Russia, and he claimed that for the right price his father would come to America, and seed the clouds and save our crops. At first it was a great big joke, and everyone laughed at the idea. However over the next month we got no rain, and the men of the families were getting worried. They sent for the boy, (he called himself Tom) to sit down and explain how the seeding worked, how much it would cost, and so on. He came to my grandfathers farm to meet the various family heads, and talk about the seeding program. I remember it like it was yesterday, because he was the first person I had ever met that spoke in broken English. He explained the cost for the seeding would cost about $10,000 and his father would need an extra $2,500 for travel expenses, plus the group of farmers would be responsible for the cost of renting of a plane to do the seeding. Most in the group wanted to split the cost evenly between the five families, one of the farmers stepped forward and said that dividing it up that way was not fair, and that they should split the cost by acreage, because some of the farms were smaller than others. So they all eventually agreed to split the cost that way. They gave the kid the $2,500 that day to get his father over here, with the promise of the rest of the money when his father showed up. His father showed up about a week and half later, and they gave him his money, and rented the guy a plane. The guy told them that if the seeding was not a success they would get the money back.
They went ahead with the seeding early in the morning of the 15th of August. (I remember because it was my fathers B-Day) We were having a party for my dad and everyone was talking about the seeding and how lucky we were to have the chance to have it done. There was not a cloud anywhere, but all of the sudden hail started falling in great quantity from the sky. Most of the pieces were as big as golf balls. Instead of the seeding saving the crops, it destroyed most of them. 60-some % of the already fragile crops were destroyed, especially the corn. My father and the others got their money back, minus the cost for the plane and the guys travel expenses.
Before the hail everyone talked about the "seeding" openly, but after the hail occurred nobody would talk about it in public at all. My father has talked about it a few times since then, normally after a few drinks of Crown Royal sitting in his easy chair at home. I think the biggest reason no one talked about it was because it destroyed crops all over the area, not just their own, and they did not want to be held responsible for it, but that's just my personal speculation.
I'm not saying weather is completely controllable, and I have no idea if it could be used as a weapon, but I know for a fact that seedings happen, because my father and his farmer friends participated in it.

[MildyRules]

12. Actually, you should read the

Air Force's classified Congressional Justification Book entry for HAARP. You'll see it has nothing to do with the Wx; but since you can't,you'll just have to continue science-fiction speculation.

[illuminaughty]

16. I've read quite a bit about the "Congressional Justification" for HAARP

And don't be so naive while pretending to have access to "classified" information. How much technology that is sitting in front of us now would be considered sci-fi only a few years ago?

Tesla was an idiot I suppose. Oh, and since you have inside access, please ask them to quit spraying the fuck out of the skies. Being a TWA brat I do know what a normal contrail looks like and how it behaves. I don't give a rat's ass if it's for weather control, national security, or any of the other laundry list of excuses.

Maybe citizens here are too distracted to notice, but the rest of the world is well aware of it.

[MildyRules]

23. Actually since the CJB

is classified TS Codeword, I doubt you've read it at all.

[illuminaughty]

31. You just got to DU and have 400 posts already?

Never mind. I get it. Enjoy your short stay.

[Ediacara]

17. I have read up on HAARP conspiracies

It doesn't pass the smell test anyway you look at it.

[illuminaughty]

21. It's not a conspiracy.

I'm talking about why it was constructed and what its possibilities are.

Screwing with the ionosphere or "exciting it" to use their terminology is nothing to fuck with.

ELF is a good thing? Wow.
Even Eastland's not happy about it.

[Ediacara]

24. exciting the ionosphere is hardly weather control

The CONSPIRACY theories I've heard about HAARP range from causing earthquakes to controlling the weather and driving hurricanes.

Here's a neat bit of information: weather isn't in the ionosphere.

Here's another neat bit of information: to control a hurricane or create an earthquake, we'd need as much energy as a star creates.

[ladylibertee]

5. Oh, That's so retarded.LOL

[boston bean]

36. Not that I believe this, but it makes interesting reading

go to www.weatherwars.info

[seemslikeadream]

8. "Weather Control Center"

http://cyberspaceorbit.com/

[sattahipdeep]

32. "Rods from God"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article/0,14493,1487125,00.html

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Yeah, and all the suckers fall for it. Like ...

Yeah, and all the suckers fall for it. Like morning radio reports the traffic from "traffic control". They aren't controlling the traffic, they are flying around in helicopters looking at it.

A "disaster control center" doesn't control disasters, it controls the response to them. "Flood control" doesn't create the spring melt, it controls the response to the floods. "Blood pressure control" medicine doesn't create blood pressure, it reduces it.

But of course, all it takes is the word "control" for the paranoiac tin foil hat types to fly into a hysteria.

Calculate the energies involved in steering a hurricane.

Calculate the energies involved in changing a hurricane from a category four to category five.

But the tinfoil types never do. So much easier to have a tizzy fit and imagine a Rube Goldberg conspiracy involving tens of thousands of operators. Much more exciting to imagine and much more self-important to think they know a hidden secret.

Kay Bailey Hutchison is not an intellect. Nor is Bill "gambled away 8 million" Bennett.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

11. Well put!

Besides, if I already control 90% + of the wealth, the media, the White House, Congress and Supreme Court, why do I need to 'control' the weather? For some folks, it's easier to believe someone is controlling the weather than to believe we live in a classist, racist, oligarchy controlled society...........

[catzies]

14. And now THAT'S well put!

What you said. :thumbsup:

[DefenseLawyer]

38. Because if I control the weather

I could demand that the world's leaders pay me ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Throw me a frickin' bone here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. but trust me as a sci fi writer this is just amusing

hmmm could my very advance aliens do this? the answer is... yes... will look into the paranoid sites and take notes

[dbt]

13. Kick for maddezmom!

:loveya:
dbt

Remember New Orleans

[KharmaTrain]

19. Man Has Always Attempted To Manipulate Nature/Weather

I've read HAARP and similar studies, reports, theories and so on for 30 plus years. I forget the name now but there was a book in the early 70's that was one of the first I ever saw to mention global warming and how industrialization was altering the weather and atmosphere.

The final part of the book went into many studies...some that were on-going at the time, to find ways to seed clouds to produce rain in dry areas or to create "weather breaks" where a storm could be diverted away from a projected track...aka a tornado or hurricane...to minimize damage.

I won't shut doors that weather can be manipulated, but the tin hats about New Orleans and all these hurricanes being some master plot doesn't pass the smell test for some silly logical reasons.

Somehow the depopulating of blacks from New Orleans...a Democratic city...was somehow going to shift the political balance in that region? While they're one of the few states that has a Democratic Senator and Governor, at one time the party dominated every office in the state and is now hanging on. The state was trending red for the past 20 years and just elected their first Repugnican Senator (a real zero). This political argument really has little merit.

Onto the concept of using weather as a weapon...if there was the ability to create such a massive storm then wouldn't a place like Havana or Caracas or Pyongyang be a more suspect target? Or, if this was some social engineering thing to destroy a country to rebuild it...there are plenty of Carribbean Islands that would do the job and make lots of tax free dollars for U.S. corporations...or if you needed a close populated place...there's always Mexico...:sarcasm:. Why would you turn such a powerful storm/weapon on your own country...with the possibility it could have veered off course and hit Houston or Miami or San Antonio. Again...too much Area 51 dust for me.

The hate radio asshats are trying to make their fool manchild look like "a leader". They see the poll numbers and the meme is to deify meeeester booosh at all costs and in all situations. Thus this over-emphasis to "recapture the 9/11 magic" (as I heard one hate radio scumbag say the other day) and turn his sorry ass approval ratings around...and pacify a rumbling party that may not let them get all their fleecing done this year.

Peace...

[timtom]

20. I love it!

This is a prime example of a process called "groupthink". I'm not sure what the violent reactions to this topic indicate, but it's probably as strong an issue as abortion, gay rights, and fundamental christianity. I remember a year ago when the administrators of this board absolutely forbade any more discussion.

Now, at no time do I reveal how I feel about this topic. To me, it's like ghosts or UFO's. My reaction is "Hmmm....maybe -- maybe not." And then I move on to topics that interest me more.

The "groupthink" part means that there is an acceptable opinion on a topic, and there is an unacceptable point of view. Many folks are constrained (without being aware of it) to fall in line with the accepted point of view.

In enlightened debate or heightened dialogue, ALL topics should be fair game. But topics like this seem to result in ad hominem name calling and outright vilification of people who state something they've read or ask a question.

[arikara]

26. Now that's well put

I've noticed that this topic and and a few others bring out the screaming meemies. Near stampede to the denial.

[Me.]

37. Well Said

I tried to do a thread on this about a week ago and got stomped on and the thread was locked. At the time I said I don't know, but what I do know is that after the last five years I don't dismiss anything out of hand anymore.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. From Former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen

[Igel]

28. It would be nice if he was asserting what the quote says,.

In context, it's unclear that he is, or that he actually had evidence.

"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

"A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

"So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

[tularetom]

25. Aw shit. I clicked on this post because

I thought he had finally admitted that he likes to be tied up and spanked by ladies wearing leather skivvies.

[QC]

27. OMG, a conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!

[DefenseLawyer]

39. Fluoridation

is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

[Zynx]

43. "Ice cream Mandrake. Children's ice cream."

The theories about weather control and seismic control are garbage.

[shance]

30. This warrants further inquiry/investigation :The Weather Modification Bill

It is to take effect October 1, 2005. The bill is very vague in how it will specifically be "modifying" (ie. changing*) the weather.

Does anyone know which if any environmental groups have addressed this bill?

I havent heard anything about it.


The Weather "Modification" Bill sponsored by Kay Bailey Hutchison

109th CONGRESS
1st Session

S. 517

To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2005

Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation

A BILL

To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(b) MEMBERSHIP-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

(C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

(c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies.

(c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results.

SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

(c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section.

SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications.

SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c).

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

(c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.

END

[illuminaughty]

33. Thanks for posting this

Posters who say this brings the "screaming meemies" out when you talk about weather control, HAARP, chemtrails, etc. are right.

People are being ridiculous on both sides. I don't remember ever posting anything about steering hurricanes to New Orleans, but all of a sudden the flamers are out and posting as though I did.

Most citizens have no clue what or where HAARP is. The Discovery Channel is not exactly "tinfoil" programming, and they felt confident enough to run a documentary titled "Owning the Weather" and yes, it did include info on HAARP.

Honestly, I don't think any government has a harness on anything. That's the problem. No control. And too bad if we screw up the planet with our experiments. Just tweaking the weather is scary.

[Carni]

35. Well if bushit planned this he did a piss poor job

It certainly hasn't bumped his poll numbers!

The much more obvious *conspiracy* behind Rita and Katrina is that bushit and his horse's ass of a party, have shown no regard for preserving the environment over the last 5 years and global warming is taking it's toll.

[dbt]

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[dbt]

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