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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:07 AM
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Cindy Sheehan is an IDIOT!
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 11:12 AM by GOPAgainstGW
I am starting a new thread on this for discussion here. Excuse my tone. I’m totally fatigued from heading up a Hurricane Rita Command Post here in Houston the last 7 days, but felt compelled in another thread to vent on the Cindy Sheehan situation.

That stated, GOD BLESS all the people that protested in the D.C. streets last weekend. It was incredible and a GREAT start down an extremely difficult and dangerous road! Thanks, GOPA

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Thread: Dem leaders should be ashamed that they didn't come out in support of us (at the DC Sheehan protest)

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It's Because Cindy Sheehan is an IDIOT!

The stupid women bashes Reps, Dems & anyone else that doesn't want to read word for word from her self-interest "play book". She acts like Nazi Bush does - her way or the highway. No one of major importance and "inside power and money" will touch this stupid women.

You never saw John Kerry acting like Sheehan during his Vietnam War/Southeast Asia protesting and public speaking. Kerry’s focus was direct, well polished, well organized, well delivered, and he had MAJOR influential Democrats secretly behind him, lead by Ted Kennedy. Kerry scared the hell out of the Nixon Administration by their own admission in the Nixon tapes. Sheehan scares the hell out of no one in the BushCo Administration, nor does she have any major inside political muscle behind her.

Third, people need to wake up on this immediate pull-out of Iraq garbage. We are NOT talking Vietnam here people. We had no strategic interests in ‘Nam other than fight the Communist expansion in the region after the Korean War.

While the BushCo Nazi’s made one of the worse blunders in American History, by invading the most Holy Mecca Country in the World, we cannot just pull out. Iraq has the highest quality grade of oil reserves in the World. What?, we just going to immediately pull out and let the Islamic Terrorists have all the $ billions in oil reserves to finance their operations. Not fricking hardly - That’s just stupid!

Also Ms Sheehan, and “pull our troops out immediately” others, what’s the plan for Afghanistan? Are we just going to immediately pull out of there also and let the Taliban and heroin dealers take control of it again, and use routes through Afghanistan to smuggle nuclear and biological material out of Russia, like they were doing? Is that what all these Sheehan supporters are saying? I fricking hope not!

The US did this same crap at the end of the Cold War against Russia. We broke Russia and their infrastructure, and then announced “mission accomplished” with no plan on what to do when Russia descended into total collapse. After that happened, and the U.S. sat on the sidelines, the Russian Mafia took over key control of Russia and its massive stockpiles of nuclear bombs/material and biological weapons. Hell, then the stupid U.S. administration had to go begging to the Russia KGB to get some of their people elected and our CIA helped them rig the vote to get KGBer Vladimir Putin elected.

Wesley Clark’s plan and direction is THE ONLY thought process that makes any sense in this Iraq/Middle East disaster. Not Cindy Sheehan, Joan Baez, Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader and these other uneducated self-serving losers on that rally stage last weekend in D.C. preaching this immediate US pullout garbage. A deal MUST be brokered among the Islamic Countries, while we assure the Israeli Government and People that we will always protect them, BUT they cannot and will not interfere with U.S. and World policies any longer in the Middle East region. Every political scholar in the World has stated for the past 40 years that the World MUST allow the Middle East to polarize. Yet now the U.S., with our BushCo Nazi Regime, totally blew that out of the water invading Iraq. Invading Afghanistan was one thing, but the U.S. invading the Holy Mecca County of Iraq was the Islamic Terrorist’s dream come true.

The protesters in the streets last weekend in D.C. were the HUGE success of the anti-war protest. NOT Cindy Sheehan with her uneducated banter. I, and many others, are sick of hearing about this women for the simple reason she offers NO realistic solutions or platform to this horrible problem we have in the Middle East.

Thank You
GOPAgainstGW & Co.




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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:11 AM
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4. Great subject line.
I'm sure you'll get a whole lot of intelligent, reasoned discussion without much flaming with your choice of title and tone.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:12 AM
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5. aaah...I had to read down a bit to see that you are a Clarkie..
figures. :eyes:
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:14 AM
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11. oh, whateva.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:17 AM
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20. Um, let's not go there, shall we?
Some of the nicest folks on here are... :hi:
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:14 AM
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12. Does SHE need to provide the solution?
She is getting attention out there to this lie of a war. She lost her son for nothing. If all she ever accomplishes is getting attention to the fact the war is a complete utter failure and based on a lie, then good for her.


Perhaps then those in power who can fix this nightmare will feel the heat and do something.


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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:14 AM
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13. It depends on whether we can win in Iraq or not
If we can win, whatever that means, well, maybe we should stay and fight. But many people, myself included, think that whatever was to be won in Iraq has already been pissed away. And keeping our troops there is probably making the situation worse rather than better.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:14 AM
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15. I'll say this: Cindy makes war a hard thing to defend for all people in
power. Nothing wrong with that. War should be hard to defend.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:15 AM
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17. So, then, to paraphrase a person you praised here, who should be the last
person to die for this lie?
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:16 AM
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19. That doesn't make much sense.
I'm just going to toich on a couple of points, but the incorrectness of the content of your post is by no means limited to what I cite here.

"She acts like Nazi Bush does - her way or the highway." Cite examples of this behavior, please, because I've been following her story for as long and as closely as anyone else, and I've seen nothing of the sort.

"one of the worse blunders in American History, by invading the most Holy Mecca Country in the World" They did no such thing. Iraq isn't terribly holy. Under Hussein, it was a secular dictatorship. Just because it's in the Middle East doesn't make it automatically a Muslim holy site. LOTS of arabs are Christians.

"Also Ms Sheehan, and “pull our troops out immediately” others, what’s the plan for Afghanistan?" Ms. Sheehan's cause is the immediate pull-out from Iraq. Most liberals supported action in Afghanistan. The large part of the left's objection to the Iraq incursion is that it took our military's attention away from Afghanistan. Indeed, the Taliban and opium growers pretty much HAVE taken control again. Because we're hardly fucking there. Hey, where's Osama, by the way?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:18 AM
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21. Hypocrisy, anyone?
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 11:18 AM by SteppingRazor
"(Cindy Sheehan) acts like Nazi Bush does - her way or the highway."

"Wesley Clark’s plan and direction is THE ONLY thought process that makes any sense in this Iraq/Middle East disaster."

Hmm... isn't that second line a bit "my way or the highway"-esque?


Also, I can't speak for the educational background of Sheehan and Baez. But Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader are "uneducated?" Really? What exactly qualifies as "educated?"
Oh, wait! I know! Educated means they have to agree with you, right? :eyes:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:19 AM
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22. So, what exactly is it about being a grieving mother who lost her son
That rubs you the wrong way? Gee, she isn't some polished media presence, like Robert Novak or George Stephanopoulos. She doesn't have any political clout, she's just a private citizen who would like the President of the United States to explain what he means when he said that her son died for a "noble cause."

It's unfortunate that you apparently think the noble cause is U.S. control of Iraqi oil reserves. I'd really like to see your explanation of how "our" oil got under Iraqi sand, and by what right the United States claims control over those reserves.

Cindy Sheehan isn't offering a "realistic" (in your overheated opinion) solution or platform. I'll risk repeating myself: She's a private citizen. She isn't in a position to do anything at all. And considering the know-nothing tenor of the rest of your screed (e.g., that the United States "broke Russia {sic} and their {sic} infrastructure), I'd suggest that you get away from your computer and go lie down.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:19 AM
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23. The point about Cindy is the unfortunate vacuum she has had to fill
She isn't an "idiot." Your headline was flame bait, that will get a lot of people mad at you despite any merits to your argument.

She is not politically sophisticated policy wonk. She says things sometimes she shouldn't.

However her strengths and weakneses are not the point. The reason she resonates with so many peope is that she is an average person who has actually had the nerve to step outside from the crowd and challenge power in direct terms.

The other reason is the void of supposedly "intelligent" leaders with "credibility" who have not taken similar stands against the fundamental evil of this war and the context.

You are correct that therearemany possible exit strategies, and the merits of immediate withdrawal vs. a real plan is a legitimate debate.

But Sheehan should not be criticized. The real problem is the monolithic morass that too many Democratic leaders who should have known better have helped to create. It has been totally unresponsive and irresponsible on the war -- and many other issues -- from the beginning, and thus people like Cindy Sheehan have been the only way to chip away at it.



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:20 AM
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24. "we can't LET them ..."
Nothing betrays the Zeitgeist of Amerika-as-Father more than the insidious meme that, somehow, the actions of people both in the US and abroad are actions that our government ALLOWS or "LETS."

Golly - such a burden! :eyes:
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:21 AM
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27. Yes, because we all know that politics is only a two way street.
Damn her for trying to bring a radical non-coporate-sponsered third opinion to the table! How dare she!

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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:22 AM
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28. Stay in Iraq?
You wrote all that about her just to say we need to stay in Iraq??

Or it will what, become a war zone? A civil war zone, worse than the war zone it already is?

So sad, isn't it folks? If all these people talking about "staying" would just go there themselves, as civilians, as they believe the ordinary civilians don't have it "that bad"...I think they'd make all the difference, don't you?

Such a shame our biggest talkers are our lousiest walkers. All talk, no action, nation of cowards, sending other peoples kids off to war so they can sit at home and stay fat, dumb and happy.

What you said about Cindy? She isn't fat dumb or happy. If she's an idiot, she's the only idiot I care to listen to, she's a better idiot than all the rest. Idiots like her wouldn't keep on killing people senselessly, even if her family DID, I repeat DID, support the war. Idiots like her have the bravery to stand up and speak the truth.

Whereas idiots like the one that penned this post? I have no idea. You ought to go to Iraq, and that is ALL I have to say to you. Idiot.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:22 AM
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29. Damn, I hate to miss all the fun
But I have to go to the chiropractor now.

And this promises to be so enlightening....

In the spirit of what is to come, I leave you with the folowing:

I suck!!

You suck!!

Everybody sucks!!

That should do it. <sigh>
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:22 AM
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30. Locking
This post (subject line in particular) is not a good way to provoke constructive discussion.
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