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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:08 PM
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Beyond A.N.S.W.E.R: A View From Inside the March
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 01:09 PM by Tamyrlin79
Crossposted at DailyKos

First, let me say that this march was very energizing and a wonderful event. However, I believe that this result was achieved in spite of A.N.S.W.E.R. and the organizers, not because of it.

As has been well-reported by now, most of the people at the march tired of the rally and were ready to march. It was supposed to start at 12:30 p.m. But at 1:30 p.m. the announcer stated that they only "had a few more speakers", a couple of poets and such and that the march would begin shortly. At that point was when most people who were at the rally started moving towards the street where the March was supposed to start. And we hung out there for an hour. And the speakers kept talking. And we marchers talked among ourselves about how irrelevant many of their issues were to this march and about how by continuing to keep speakers going, they were more interested in hearing themselves talk some more rather than to actually do some marching.

Then, about 2:30 p.m., yes, THREE hours into the supposed-to-be-only-one-hour rally (and they had to have known that they had more than an hour of speakers lined up...) and two hours after the march was supposed to start, we marchers had simply had enough. The line of people started moving. By damnit, we were here to march on the White House, and nothing was going to keep us from it any longer.

Personally, I found the whole scene symbolic: about our leadership in the anti-war movement and the democratic party and about our response to it. Both leaderships seek to use us for their own agenda, and we are happy to listen them for a while. But, ultimately, we are there for our agenda, the moral issue that drives us there, and, though patient, we will not wait forever. After a time, we will go around the blustering leadership and start the march for ourselves.

The fact is that this march exposed a serious need for our movement going forward: an anti-war organization that can be a vessel for organizing around the cause and issue the majority of Americans support, which is the crime in Iraq. That is where we have consensus, and that is what the organizers of the protest should express in their speeches and planning. You don't go to a gay rights march (which I have) and hear speakers talking about tax reform or some non-relevant issue. And, we should not have an anti-war protest that also promotes speakers on Haiti, or palestine, or even Afghanistan. Those causes may be right, but they are not the causes the american people showed up to protest this weekend. Nor are they causes around which there is anything close to a concensus. Thus, by promoting these issues, they divide those who they should be unifying, to unite those who come around a concensus position. The consensus was there, but it was in the march itself, not on the speakers platform. Some of the speakers did speak to that consensus, but many did not. Rather than a patriot-fest that united the crowd, revved them up, and got us marching, we had a rally that divided the crowd, didn't inspire (other than Cindy), and lost the attention of the vast majority of those present.

If those who support "freeing palestine" or Haiti or even Afghanistan, they should have had a booth for passing out literature and speaking and such, and held a separate rally for promoting their pet cause at the event. At the gay rights marches I've been to, the main speakers all addressed consensus issues: marriage, sodomy laws, health care, non-discrimination. The further fringe issues, like, for example, the emerging area of transgender rights, were addressed in rallies held in parks or squares in other parts of Washington, D.C. over the same weekend. This was, in fact, the place for a rally for Haiti, or Palestine, or anything else that was not a part of the consensus position. They had a place at that march, but clearly our organizers had very little concept about what that place was. And our leaders clearly lacked the political sense to figure that out.

So, I call for a re-thinking and a re-vamping of the structure, leadership and organization of the Anti-War movement. Either strengthen an existing organization (UFPJ, Veterans for Peace, Veterans Against the Iraq War, etc.) to the point that they can pull off this sort of event on their own (and hire some people with a modicum of political savvy to plan it), or start a new organization that will pull everything together and put priorities where it should: around consensus positions and goals. The only thing holding us back now is ourselves.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:12 PM
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1. I agree.
Our own NCCPJ (North County Coalition for Peace and Justice) is very frustrated regarding this issue at the moment. See for yourself:

http://www.nccpj.org/ .
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:12 PM
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2. Good post
As someone posted elsewhere, I take a "live and let live" attitude toward ANSWER, but I'd love to see UFPJ form a strong coalition to organize events without ANSWER.

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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:17 PM
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3. I agree too
I was with a group of women from Boston and we started walking towards where the march was supposed to start around 1:45 after we saw Cindy Sheehan and Joan Baez walking towards that corner...then everybody started towards that area. Security was all screwed up and people nearly got crushed. I was pretty scared and it got ugly there for a few minutes until security finally let us start moving.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:21 PM
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4. Bravo!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:25 PM
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5. Great post!
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 01:26 PM by mcscajun
You've summed it all up beautifully.

:applause:

Recommended.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:26 PM
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6. I couldn't agree more
I like and respect ANSWER but they really do need to tone down their constant barrage of other issues while organizing these rallies. It's not that I don't agree with them, but that's not why the people, including myself, showed up.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:28 PM
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7. I concur with everyone else here so far. Nominated!
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:33 PM
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8. I also agree, but considering I went to DC with Tamyrlin79
I am kinda biased.

Kicked and Nominated
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:37 PM
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9. Agreed and recommended. I watched as much as I could stand
and was reminded of a high school pep rally, especially when the US out of the Philippines kids were doing their thing. It is such a shame that yet another golden opportunity was wasted by these armature cliques that usually seem to take over progressive events.
The Repugs have shown us the blueprint for successfully promoting your message, why won't we follow it?
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:39 PM
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10. It was awesome! we were like "whatever, we came to march!"
and we left them behind.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:42 PM
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12. Good for you. We need to be very conscious of the image the swing
voters are getting of us. They won't vote for us if they feel we're not "grown ups".
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:41 PM
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11. I know ...that was the same in san francisco
last January...my god the speakers...were going on and on and on about Cuba the Palestinians...Venezuela ...the Zapatistas in Mexico...bloody hell!! By the time they finish with all the rubbish it was so freaking freezing!! and my legs too num to take the streets...!!! Darling seriously, they need to get their act together ..get to the fucking point!!x(
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:43 PM
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13. question--were the ANSWER people in charge of security?
If so, they nearly caused people (children) to get crushed. The protest gods and goddesses were looking out for us because folks could have gotten seriously hurt. Those security people wouldn't let the march begin and it was mass confusion.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:27 PM
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14. kick
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 05:41 PM
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19. I never did make it to the stage area before the march
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 05:42 PM by DoYouEverWonder
I ended up taking pictures of the people lined up in the street waiting to march and then hung out with Code Pink. We could see the march had started and then instead of the groups in the streets moving, all the people on the Ellipse went ahead of them. We ended up waiting over 2 hours before we could even step off.

The result was that the groups that should have stepped off first ended up more then 1/2 way back.

We all were having a good time but it would be interesting to find out what went wrong with the step off.

In the meantime, who else has the organization and the people to pull this stuff off other then A.N.S.W.E.R? Sometimes you have no choice but to work with what you have and try to make it better rather then tearing it down and starting from scratch?

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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 04:21 PM
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15. I agree 100% n/t
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 04:39 PM
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16. That happened in LA as well.
I don't do real good in crowds, so I tend to stay further back ..... at the start of the pre-march rally many of the people in the back near me were starting to chant "march! march! march!".

I'm glad that ANSWER was so successful getting this march going, but I'm not 100% with their message.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 05:21 PM
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17. Yep
This was my point of view as well. I would have had 5 headliner speakers with the last being Cindy and had Cindy call us to march!

But I clearly know more about stage management than ANSWER does.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 05:28 PM
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18. Agree 100% and Kicked (N/T)
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 06:01 PM
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20. A.N.S.W.E.R. proved themselves incapable of leading this movement.
I was at the L.A. march. I have no preconceived bias against A.N.S.W.E.R. - it's just that you don't organize the way they did and continue to lead a movement. I also watched the D.C. march on replay. Putting so many speakers on with such diffuse causes was irresponsible and self-indulgent. By the end, nobody was left watching the rally - but that didn't stop the speakers from pounding on the podium and screaming. It was a microcosm for the navel-gazing left. It was better than nothing - but, like you said, succeeded despite A.N.S.W.E.R. not because of them. Time to march on!
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 06:01 PM
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21. Amen.
ANSWER is only interested in ANSWER.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 06:12 PM
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22. Thanks for posting an on-the-ground account
I now have a much better idea of why things seemed the way they did for those of us who could not go.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:09 PM
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23. I was standing in the crowd waiting for the march to start.
It was unbelievable how long the speakers went on for. We were getting tired, hungry and needed to pee, and still they were yakking on and on.

I am glad this issue is being noted. I just got back a few hours ago, and just got online, so I am not caught up on what others are saying about the march, yet.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:13 PM
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24. ANSWER = Dog balls
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 07:21 PM
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25. I just wish Cindy and her group could carry the message without ANSWER
They detract so much from the issue of the war. The average American can not handle more than one issue at a time. That is why the right wing does so well with their "single issue" messages. They pound the singe message over and over and over THEN they move on to the next single issue. I was in GA on Saturday. I can tell you that most who were watching the March at the hotel where we stayed were really disgusted and complaining. It broke my heart but I couldn't watch much of it. We were busy with some of the families who were displaced to Norcross, GA.

Folks, the situation is so heartbreaking. I can't begin to tell you what these people have to face, not to mention some mean-spirited folks. But for the most part, the people at the motel were really good to the families and the families themselves were just wonderful, loving, caring people. The children were a delight, well-behaved, and energetic. The families where we stayed had just received approval to stay another two weeks in Norcross because of the damage that Rita had done. There is so much to tell but I will have to save it for another post.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:18 PM
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26. Yeah, I think that there were two consensus positions from this march:
1. Bush Sucks and Must Go
2. The Anti-War Movement needs a serious revamp in leadership.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 11:15 PM
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27. I was right by the stage.
The speakers got off to a slow start, and I kept wanting to run up and tell them "Let me speak. No one is saying what needs to be said. But several got our blood pumping. But then, sometime after the Raging Grannies and the mother who lost her son (not Cindy, the second one), it was time to cut it off.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:53 AM
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28. Literature tables are solutions for all the issues on the laundry list
--not excessively long and boring rally speeches. That way, those who want to get educated on some of the other issues have that opportunity without slowing everything else down.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:03 AM
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29. that was MOSTLY the solution here in San Diego
yes there were the Farrakhan people and the Communist Party, as well as PDA and the DNC... and many others...

And when someobdy took the stage and started with Palestine, the crowd growned and ahem, started to thin out...

Those boys should have done a table too... but that is my opinion... and the Kefiahs were scaring the living daylights of your regular, on teh fence, never gone to any of these in my life, first time demonstrators.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 03:05 AM
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30. Scary kuffiyeh alert:
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 03:31 AM by Scurrilous


BOO!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:26 AM
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32. Thanks beleive it or not they were scaringthe living daylights
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 04:27 AM by nadinbrzezinski
of several peoople who voiced it... some'thing bout Arafat, but I am sure you have heard this before....

Oh and for the record I hope those two people's find a solution to their mutual problems, for neiher are so pure that they could throw the first stone, but at this point it is up to THEM, not us.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:22 AM
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31. There's no democracy in ANSWER or the White House.
These same issues and complaints about ANSWER were raised during the protests before the war -- diluting the antiwar message with every other issue and cause out there, making people listen to speakers for hours before marching, and associating mainstream antiwar Americans with a Stalinist organization -- and yet we got the same thing this time. It shows the establishment of the anti-war movement is just as shielded from democratic change as the corrupt ways of the US gov't.
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