The drama of Bush threads on the Cubs fan forum: I present to you: "mudgy"

[old blue]

Sorry for the potentially annoying DU thread. I'm dascenzo89 in the exchange that follows. This is dedicated to all the "mudgies" in our lives.


From: dascenzo89 7:32 pm
To: mudgy (43 of 67)
187708.43 in reply to 187708.39

Clinton lied about a sex act. Bush lied to the American people AND CONGRESS in order mis-spend national unity and international goodwill on an unnecessary war against a country that did not attack us, and in which we have lost almost 2000 of our military personnel, all in the search for weapons, uh, I mean to free the Iraqi, uh, I mean to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here.




From: mudgy 7:31 pm
To: dascenzo89 (42 of 67)
187708.42 in reply to 187708.40

I dare any liberal I challenge any liberal...find and expose the Facts and Truth and file charges against President Bush Or #### UP!





From: dascenzo89 7:35 pm
To: mudgy (44 of 67)
187708.44 in reply to 187708.42

Why bother challenging the liberals? Why not just ask former Nixon lead counsel, John Dean? I recommend his recent book, "Worse than Watergate."



From: dascenzo89 7:40 pm
To: mudgy (48 of 67)
187708.48 in reply to 187708.42

At any rate, "Facts and Truth" *have* been exposed by "the liberals." I refer you to the unofficial congressional hearings held by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, concerning among other things, the voting irregularities in Ohio, the Downing Street Memos, Guantanamo Bay, etc. The very problem, though, is that it is impossible for "any liberal" to "file charges" because the only body that has the subpoena power to launch an investigation is the US Congress, which refuses to apply their Clinton-era investigative fervor to the Bush White House.





From: mudgy 7:36 pm
To: dascenzo89 (46 of 67)
187708.46 in reply to 187708.43

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! YOU LIE!!

"Bush lied to the American people AND CONGRESS in order mis-spend national unity and international goodwill on an unnecessary war"

Information based on international and national intelligence that Congress quoted as well..You want links I can get em or look em up yourself. Clinton, Gore, Daschel, Kerry all said Saddam was a threat and needed to be taken out.

"unnecessary war against a country that did not attack us"

Iraq did attack us in the no-fly zone which was a violation of the cease fire agreement that halted hostilities of Gulf war. It never ended. Fact! Want Links? Or look it up yourself!







From: mudgy 7:40 pm
To: dascenzo89 (49 of 67)
187708.49 in reply to 187708.44

The liberals have to be challenged because the do not use facts. Dean LOL Dean lost every ounce of credibility during Watergate. He was just as responsible and sold his story for leniancy.






From: mudgy 7:44 pm
To: dascenzo89 (51 of 67)
187708.51 in reply to 187708.48

The facts are Memos were forged. voting irregularities...Falls under the Ohio Secretary of State. Guantanimo Bay?? Nothing is wrong there...I fail to see any bearing those are terrorists...they have no rights.

Republican or not...if President Bush has or had done anything illegal...there are democrats who have the authority...Nay the obligation to file charges...Fact: He hasn't and they Know IT!




From: dascenzo89 7:45 pm
To: mudgy (52 of 67)
187708.52 in reply to 187708.46

"nformation based on international and national intelligence that Congress quoted as well.."

International and national intelligence that was intentionally manipulated by the Administration. What was Cheney doing visiting CIA several times a week? How did the Niger uranium claim make it into the SOTU speech? I can't *wait* until Colin Powell finally spills the beans one day.

Iraq did attack us in the no-fly zone "

You've got a RNC playbook on your desk, don't you. It has been documented (UK memos) that the US and UK intentionally provoked the no-fly-zone harrassment, trying to generate a causus belli for an Iraq invasion. Precisely so that neo-con yahoos could go on discussion boards and type things like your post.





From: mudgy 7:47 pm
To: dascenzo89 (54 of 67)
187708.54 in reply to 187708.52

And you know this how? Were you sitting in on all these meetings or just having a liberal guess? to "try" to make up "facts" like Dan Rather.




From: dascenzo89 7:50 pm
To: mudgy (55 of 67)
187708.55 in reply to 187708.51

The democrats have no subpoena power. The are absolutely powerless to lauch an investigation. Interesting to hear a Bush supporter use an argument along the lines of, "if there was anything to hide, someone would have found it by now."

Was that your line of thinking about Iraq's WMD, circa 2003?

The fact is, Bush is well protected, by his ultra-secretive staff, the Republican House, the Republican Senate, the Republican-appointee-dominated Supreme Court, the corporate media, and the intellectually lazy American.




From: mudgy 7:52 pm
To: dascenzo89 (56 of 67)
187708.56 in reply to 187708.55


There is no Substantiated fact...only liberal dogearing and subtrafuge. You have presented no fact. Only opinion. I have presented a mulititude of documented fact. Therefore until you have FACTS...you have nothing but whining.




From: dascenzo89 7:55 pm
To: mudgy (57 of 67)
187708.57 in reply to 187708.56
Every time I have pointed out a documented fact, you have shouted "LIE!!!" So as long as you get to be in charge of the facts, I thought I'd resort to logical argument.




From: mudgy 7:59 pm
To: dascenzo89 (59 of 67)
187708.59 in reply to 187708.57
your "facts" are lies and I exposed them as such. then you counter with more subtrafuge. Facts are indisputable. (That means if I can dispute them, they are not facts.)




From: dascenzo89 8:00 pm
To: mudgy (60 of 67)
187708.60 in reply to 187708.51

"Memos were forged. voting irregularities...Falls under the Ohio Secretary of State.

The authenticity of the memos has not been disputed by either the US or UK governments.

You mean the same Ohio Sec. of State who was the co-chair of the Bush/Cheney reelection campaign?

"Guantanimo Bay?? Nothing is wrong there..."

Oh, ok, cool.




From: dascenzo89 8:02 pm
To: mudgy (61 of 67)
187708.61 in reply to 187708.59

"(That means if I can dispute them, they are not facts.)"

In that case, I hope you're not Rene Descartes.




From: mudgy 8:08 pm
To: dascenzo89 (62 of 67)
187708.62 in reply to 187708.60

####://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004746.php

Stop trying my patience...not only are they fake they don't "reveal" anything.

Do you know how hard it is to "fake" or manipulate voting in a state like Ohio...even once...let alone twice?? That is grasping at the straw man...and very creative...you spin the party line though liberal.

I already explained G Bay...they are terrorists and have no rights under Geneva COnvention or the Constitution.

OK you bore me......move on back to George Soros...and leave me be.





From: dascenzo89 8:13 pm
To: mudgy (64 of 67)
187708.64 in reply to 187708.62

Well, thanks at least for sharing with us the source of your indisputable facts ....... a conservative blog!

Well it's good to know your skepticism does have limits.

Have a good night,
dascenzo89

PS: The word is "subterfuge." And that's a fact.
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[Inland]

1. When your team is out by mid July, this is what happens.

You know what they talk about at the Sox site? How much they hate Cubs fans.

[old blue]

2. sigh.... It's been a long year....

Good luck against those Indians.

[Inland]

4. Oh no, not me. I'm aligned with the Northsiders.

I don't follow the Sox. I don't follow the Cubs much closer, but that's my affiliation.

[Ksec]

3. You Liberals are dumb Liberals and you have Liberal ideas about Liberals

Why do Liberals always lie like Liberals in Liberal cites?

LOL

This mudgy is an idiot who lacks any education on the matter.

[chelaque liberal]

5. I have gotten tired of beating my head against the wall.

It is a waste of time and energy to even talk to people like that. Saddly, because I live in eastern Tn, I am surrounded by them. I used to be a very social person. Now I prefer to be by myself.