Is BushCo the problem, or is BushCo just a symptom of the true problem?

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[madeline_con]

1. The true problem has its hand up Bushco's butt.

[AuntieM1957]

7. you nailed it, madeline

Bush is simply the puppet of the day.

The beast is much larger, insidious, evil, and determined to overthrow democracy in the United States.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

9. You got that right, Auntie...

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[GreenArrow]

2. a symptom

He's kind of a crytalization of the American character, ca. 2005.

[buzzsaw_23]

3. Symptom

Corporate errand boy.

The problem goes back to when the powers, beauties, and deep knowledges of the age-old women's traditions were supplanted by military-caste mystiques & the accumulation of heavy metals

From d.a. levy
"Really"
                     the police try to protect
                     the banks - and everything else
                     is secondary"

[RepublicanElephant]

4. both.

the greedy being greedy.

[punpirate]

5. Both, to my mind...

... first, because the problems with elected officials, in general, have been growing steadily due to a failure of, guess who?, elected officials to significantly rein in abuses in the election finance system.

That, in turn, has facilitated the sort of corruption we've been seeing of late, and that corruption, in turn, has facilitated the installation of the Bush cabal.

Once in, they've merely taken the existing corrupt system to new levels of excess--because they've been sure, by bribing media corporations with promises of new--and very profitable--consolidation rules, that they won't be treated dispassionately and objectively by the media.

[spacelady]

6. I think it actually is the problem, they have had their tentacles in

global politics for 50+ years--that type of influence either gets shut down HARD, or encouraged and nourished, like Poppy and Dubya, who have been given top positions with thin credentials. Now, today, Dubya could be a force for good; however he chooses the opposite--was he born that way or was he educated that way?
You may argue that Bushco is just a symptom, but voters were fed a pack of lies, and many voters took it in good faith, not everybody takes the time to thoroughly research candidate's history. Somehow, elected politicians have evaded the smell test. Why would somebody run for office just to line their pockets rather than for the common good? Because they are evil, that's why.

[undergroundpanther]

8. The problem

Is people..with toxic personalities.. the malignant narcissists,authoritarians bullies and sociopaths have become so numerous in our population and have gotten power and too much trust too much enabling in the name of"tolerance".they have engineered culture by manipulating societies"values" to be anti social values they prefer.. The narcissistic personality are becoming dominant persona's in the public sphere, in politics and other hierarchical social structures that we are all taught mean something.The bullies have their culture for company (the Gop the corporations and churches and they have made our liberal culture ineffective at speaking truth to power we do not have the solidarity and overweening ambition to dominate and control the world freepers have..Freepers because they are sick seek out strong leaders they like war and to be control freaks and impose themselves on others lives as if they are entitled to because they are morally inferior and are convinced(in their own freeping heads) they can do no wrong,are entitled to rule,and they are our superiors.

But they are not they are sick and dangerous and toxic people not to be trusted or given a microphone to spread their manipulative twisting of language ,consent and public perceptions.