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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:47 PM
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War Protests Make For Strange Bedfellows
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With a formality unusual for the anti-war movement, the two main groups organizing Saturday's demonstration have signed a three-page agreement covering everything from who will hold the lead parade banner to how big protesters' placards can be (3 feet by 3 1/2 feet).

In a reference to past political differences, mainly over the relationship between Israel and the Palestinians, the pact signed by International ANSWER and United for Peace and Justice also says, "Between now and the end of the demonstration on Sept. 24, each coalition agrees not to attack the other coalition."

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Criticisms of activists' associations are rooted in a fundamental red and blue political divide: Liberal-led demonstrations often are filled with supporters advocating a variety of causes in an effort to show how the issues are interrelated. That's why International ANSWER insisted on ground rules for Saturday's demonstration allowing signage linking the Iraq war to "the colonial occupation of Palestine, the occupation of Haiti and other anti-imperialist positions."

United for Peace will focus its signage solely on the war.

Conservatives insist that by participating in such a demonstration, marchers endorse the views of those next to them.

"People should be careful of the company they keep in these marches," said Kristinn Taylor, an organizer with FreeRepublic.com. "The question I always ask is, 'If the Klu Klux Klan led an anti-war demonstration, would you march in it?' "

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MoveOn.org, an Internet-based liberal group that rarely gets involved in street protests, decided to endorse this one in a message to its 3.5 million members after Sheehan's protest energized the anti-war movement.

But MoveOn qualified its support by noting that it had "disagreements on a range of issues" with some of Saturday's organizers.

"There's a feeling among some of our members that some of the more vocal people at these rallies are part of the far left and not representative of most Americans," said Tom Matzzie, director of MoveOn.org Political Action, who would not be more specific. "But this is such an important moment in history that we wanted to support the events."

Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of the Berkeley-based Tikkun magazine and one of the scheduled speakers at an interfaith service in Washington on Sunday, was more pointed.

"Support for the anti-war message is so important," Lerner wrote in an e-mail to supporters recently, "that we are willing to participate in a demonstration with others whose views we find obnoxious."

Lerner was referring to International ANSWER. In the e-mail, Lerner said the group's criticisms of Israel have "an anti-Semitic tinge."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/09/23/MNGKHES89D1.DTL
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:54 PM
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1. interesting
thanks for posting
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:57 PM
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2. United for Peace will focus its signage solely on the war.
Wonder if they might consider joining with another group to organize next time.

Maybe the Quakers?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:38 AM
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16. that is exactly what is needed
I did not go to the march to call for global communism, or blame the Jews solely for all the violence in the ME

I went to end the war in Iraq ASAP
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:57 PM
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3. I Thought So
I had heard that ANSWER & UFPJ weren't on the best of terms. Thanks for the confirmation.

Tammy
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:02 PM
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8. Meow...fttt...fttt
Herd them puddy tats!!

Are we ever all on the best of terms?

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:00 PM
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4. So it's not just here that this discussion is going on.
Interesting.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:00 PM
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5. Kristinn Taylor had better take a look around, I'll bet half the freepers
are KKK...







"People should be careful of the company they keep in these marches," said Kristinn Taylor, an organizer with FreeRepublic.com. "The question I always ask is, 'If the Klu Klux Klan led an anti-war demonstration, would you march in it?' "

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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:01 PM
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7. So True
Freeper=KKK.

Tammy
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:50 AM
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13. He's just jealous. He couldn't even get a few hundred at his debacle.
Plus he's going through life with that pretty name and all. :eyes:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:01 PM
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6. Thanks for the post!
This explains quite a bit.
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renabear Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 10:13 PM
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9. Uncomfortable with some messages, but overall effect incredible
I hope it's ok to say this again in a different thread, being a newbie. It was so incredibly empowering to see so many hundreds of thousands of people enervated enough to come together for peace (many more than reported, I believe). But I do think we must, as in the Vietnam fiasco, bring as many people as possible who were watching on tv at home to the realization that the war must end, and the troops brought home NOW. People who may never consider going to a protest march or rally, but who nonetheless will vote and write their representatives if we can move them with our message that American troops and Iraqis are both dying needlessly. I did worry about the messages of Death to Israel, and chants of intifada perhaps diluting the message and making some people question the motives. As a Jew, they bothered me, and I did not like signs that said Victory to the Insurgents. I really do want the troops brought home now and safely, not in more body bags. I believe its what most decent Americans want.
Thank you for the forum to express this.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:50 AM
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12. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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renabear Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:30 AM
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14. Thank you so much!
After being attacked for having a different opinion on a subject after few posts, your words of welcome are a balm to my spirit.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:40 AM
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10. cynatnite
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:49 AM
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11. My apologies...
I'll make sure to do that in the future.

Thank you.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:34 AM
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15. I hope Move-On and UFPJ freeze ANSWER out
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:37 AM by Zuni
ANSWER sucks. The rally in DC worked not because of them, but despite them


and I do notice real anti-semitism in ANSWER, not just disapproval of Israel's occupation of the West Bank. I saw "I Support Hamas" T-Shirts at the rally

I would rather not march with the North Korea worshippers of ANSWER ever again
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