Satan ice skating, pigs flying, my fundie freeper father-in-law has seen

[mcctatas]

the light, and I owe it all to whichever DU member posted the chart showing the federal deficit for the last 50 years or so. I sent it to my FIL in an email, and he not only called me to say how ashamed he is of bushco, but he also wrote an LTTE calling bush's fiscal mismanagement a bigger threat to our national security than Saddam, bin Laden and lil' Kim combined! It's too bad he didn't cross over from the dark side sooner without having to see bush's folly in dollar figures, but every little freeper helps! :toast:

mcctatas

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. YAY!

Better late than never!

[saltpoint]

2. Good work on your part, mcctatas, and congratulations to --

-- your dad-in-law. We'll take all converts.

Now offer to drive him down to the courthouse to re-register.

[ret5hd]

3. lil' kim?

well now, he's just gone too far...damn commie!

[Wickerman]

4. can you recall when or where you saw that thread?

I'd like to see that image.

Congrats on your FiL seeing the light.

[blossomstar]

5. do you have the link to that chart? want to send to my freepers!

[readmoreoften]

8. Wow, you guys have freepers! You make them sound like pets!

I appreciate that. I can't keep freepers. To much upkeep. You have to lead them around on their chains and they're always barking over nothing. When you point to evidence, they always look at your finger instead of where you're pointing. Boy, freepers are a whole lot of work. And, unlike most pets, they are usually not very loveable. You freeper-keepers are really doing a service to humanity! Libruls like me have no talent with 'em!

[mcctatas]

12. ROFL

now that is funny..."freeper-keepers"!!! You have made my day:toast:

[blossomstar]

31. hilarious, love it.

[blossomstar]

14. It 's a hard job but I keep trying.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. God bless you for it

:hug: It'll be worth it in the long run for all of us.

[kestrel91316]

25. I have a freeper-leaning BF - we sure don't talk about politics much!

But the last few months he doesn't say much about *. I think he may be secretly upset with him but doesn't want to admit I WAS RIGHT.

[blossomstar]

30. oh nooooo, that I could not do! Only freeper "friends" not hubby or bf!

its really all I can do to keep calm lots of time when around the freeper friends... I just manage with "polite" bebuttals. If hubby was a freeper that would be living hell! How can you do that? It seems to me that this is a major "bonding" issue, your outlook on politics that is... says so very much about where a persons priorities are. Oh well, you need some luck, good luck to you.

[marbuc]

33. "Buy Blue"

works for relationships also! ;)

[marbuc]

32. My building won't allow Freepers

Cats ok, dogs, ferrets, and freepers no.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. I guess it's because

they make a big mess? :shrug: I'm just glad my dad isn't a freeper.

[txindy]

45. Actually, I think it's because they ARE a big mess.

Plus, they drag themselves around on their knuckles, spreading that mess. Bleah.

[walldude]

53. Actually, if you leave them a TV with Fox News

on and a rag to clean up the drool, then just throw them some genetically engineered beef every few hours, it's not so bad. The potty training was the hard part...

[mcctatas]

9. I don't have the link, but I have the chart, any clue how I post it?

thanks mcctatas

[Cha]

17. You right click on the

chart..and go down to "properties" and click on and get the url and highlight, copy and paste and bring it.

[Seansky]

26. Was this table from the Similarities between Viet era and today? See this

They were so good I kept them. The person that posted this did a great job (I forgot to write down which DUer did it)

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/hist.html

and this one http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/ineqtoc.html

and http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/chart2.htm

and this is the text of the post (not mine)


The political alignments were different ...
and the domestic economic conditions were far less severe.In the 60's, there were "anti-war" constituencies of all partisan types: Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. The congruency of "left" as Democrat and "right" as Republican was far, far less clear. There were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. Viet Nam, rightly or wrongly, was largely seen as "Johnson's War" -- and was a huge, shadowy monster looming over any guy born between 1940 and 1952. T

he draft was almost universally seen as unfair and inequitable - highly variable from community to community, exempting women and favoring the sons of the well-connected and wealthy who could afford to get student ("professional students") deferments or occupational deferments.

Even those medical conditions which might disqualify a guy from serving were far more likely to be detected in guys from families able to afford good care than guys from working class families. (It turns out that my congenital scoliosis of the lower lumbar would've probably gotten me a medical deferment - but I never knew I had it, other than by implication, until I was in my forties.)Economic equity was approaching the best we had, it turns out, in the history of the country.

The "War on Poverty" had a positive impact; the "middle class" was vigorous; and the progressive tax structure kept the obscenity of wealth in check. The federal minimum wage (see below) was higher in 1968 than it has ever been before or since, the income tax structure (see below) didn't favor capital gains and dividends while penalizing earned income to the obscene degree seen today, the federal debt as a percentage of GDP (see below) was at a post-WW2 low due to increased productivity and fiscal responsibility, and the Gini Coefficient (see below) was at 0.36 and getting better.The concentration of media within heterogeneous global mega-corporations had yet to arrive and its regulation "in the public interest" was strong. There was a limit on the ratio of commercial/content time, a "fairness doctrine," and tight control on broadcast bandwidth. Most significantly, the WW2 GI Bill was yielding massive returns. Prior to WW2, only the affluent upper class (and some maverick working class families) sent their kids to college - with the exception of "teachers colleges" which were actually regarded more like nursing schools: trade schools. The GI Bill made a college education (and a professional career) accessible to more than twice as many high school graduates. In less than ten years after WW2, the size of the college and university system in the US had more than doubled - a growth that continued into the 70's. Upward class mobility was the greatest in this nation's history! And the Baby Boomers were damned well going to take advantage of it! (An advantage that has been steadily eroded since 1972.)

Viet Nam threatened this aspiration. Boom! The civil protest legacy of Civil Rights was in-place and ready to handle the activism. Campuses exploded in protest and it spilled into the streets. It was successful. We abandoned Viet Nam. The "left" stopped speaking out and the "right" took over. We were fed a steady diet that associated the "left" with Bobby Seale, Patty Hearst and the Symbionese Liberation Army, and all manner of extremes. The moderate "leftists" never harvested the legitimate underlying issues and continued its efforts to make progress. After all, times were good, right? That's when (1980 and later) the American body politic began to go under the knife and have a "leftectomy." We've been regressing ever since

[karlrschneider]

6. Good on ya! Hey, we'll take whatever we can git at this point!

:D :toast:

[AtLiberty]

7. Please post the link of that chart -- I have some converting to do

Thanks!

[wtmusic]

10. here's one

[AtLiberty]

13. Thanks -- do you have a link/url?

Do you have a link?

[wtmusic]

18. Right-click on the image

and you can save it to your computer or save the link location in the clipboard.

[AtLiberty]

21. My computer doesn't give the url/link with a right mouse click...

Sorry --

That's why I was hoping you could provide the link/url here --

Thanks

[AtLiberty]

22. My computer doesn't give the url/link with a right mouse click...

Sorry --

That's why I was hoping you could provide the link/url here --

Thanks

[SlowDownFast]

20. link:

(you only have to right click on an image and go to PROPERTIES to get the original URL)

[Seansky]

27. I think I saved the info, see about under Was this the table

[mcctatas]

16. Yep, that's the one

the only thing W does better than daddy is run up the country's debt!

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. Yet another reason to wish that we had Nixon back

God I miss him!

Obviously, yes, I'd prefer Clinton or Carter, but think about it - Fuckstick McAWOL makes Nixon look like a fucking boy scout of integrity and honesty. And, even if you don't like Nixon (and, in most ways, I don't), one thing you can't dis him on is his intelligence - fucking brilliant man, and, deep down, he really loved this country.

I would trade Fuckstick for Nixon in a heartbeat.

[mcctatas]

28. Hell, I'd trade our beloved chimperor for his daddy...

at least he had the good godamn sense not to try occupying Iraq! Too bad junior never got some serious couch time to work through his daddy issues, he had to do it with our poor brave soldiers...evil fuckwad :grr:

[Rabrrrrrr]

38. Me, too.

At least he could string a thought together, and, as you say, had the intelligence not to try to occupy Iraq.

But I have to say, I think Poppy is behind much of what is happening, and, in true republican "family values" tradition, is having his son do all the evil shit that Poppy didn't want to do, and is happily offering his son as a sacrifice.

That's the republican way. Give a shitload of lipservice about loving people, including one's family, while at the same time shoving the knife in their back if it will help gain you more power.

[blossomstar]

29. Thanks, Sent out to all the freepers I know.. that oughta scare em..

[leftchick]

48. ooooo that is a beauty!

I will show it to my freeper mom. I wonder if she will get it without blaming libruls?

[Cha]

11. How Cute!

"Every little freeper helps"! :toast:

[drfresh]

15. Bravo sir! Score another vote for 2006? -nt

[Tsiyu]

19. Nice

You're funny :)

[Sydnie]

23. I remember you posting that you were going to send it to him

:woohoo:

Now, how many of his friends can he bring to the light too? It only takes one to break the ice!

Congratulations! :)

[spuddonna]

34. YAY! Good job! n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Seriously?

Wow. Now all you have to do is get him to vote next year for a canidate who will impeach Bush whether a democrat or an indie!

[Ladyhawk]

37. Huh...I guess $ is his language. n/t

[AtLiberty]

40. Please don't tell me to right click -- I'd like a link/url

The right click doesn't show properties on my mouse.

Could someone please provide the link/url for this chart?

Thanks

[LiberalAndProud]

42. A url 4 u

WWW.
bringhonorback.org/images/deficit.gif

[KitchenWitch]

41. Good work, you rule

:bounce:

:yourock:

[leesa]

43. Good on you! It's so funny how these guys that pride themselves on being

fiscally conservative, never seem to notice the spendthrift tendancies of the GOP. The GOP tells them they aren't spendthrifts and thieves and they just believe them. Faith-based economics.

[Jim__]

44. Maybe the facts can actually shed some light

Under Reagan, they had deniability - they blamed it on the democratic congress. There is no hiding from the facts now. Republican Congress, Republican president and record deficits as far as the eye can see.

I'm glad your father-in-law was open to seeing it.

[DistressedAmerican]

46. That May Be Me. This Chart?

It is hard hitting stuff. Needs little commentary!

[Stockholm]

50. Brilliant stuff!

Check your hotmail.

[DistressedAmerican]

51. Trying But, It Looks Down. I'll Get Back To You!

[bertha katzenengel]

47. Congrats! And hey -- I'd like to see that chart too....

:bounce: I missed it!

[ronnykmarshall]

49. Same thing happened in my family.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4889436&mesg_id=4889436

[wordout]

52. now you need to follow up

with the article about Saudi prince buying up fox news

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=90439

[Oreo]

54. Satan plays for the Islanders

Miroslav Satan
Height: 6-3
Weight: 192 lbs.
Pos: RW
Shoots: Left

Age: 30
Born: October 22, 1974, Topolcany, Czechoslovakia
Drafted: Year: 1993 Round: 5 Pick: 111 by Edmonton

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?statsId=666

[demo dutch]

55. I wish my idiot father-in-law saw the light!

[walldude]

56. Money is the one thing that will

turn a freeper around. I'll have to dig up the exact figures but the national debt as it stands is over $26,000 per American. And that was before Katrina and Rita...

[bluedawg12]

57. Proves that we can win with the issues and facts!! n/t