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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:37 AM
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Why I refuse to attend Anti-War rallies
tye-dye.

oh, and birkenstocks.


yeah, and dreadlocks!


people, you know that shit don't play well with middle america.


you wanna end the war? bring the troops home now?

let me tell ya how it's really done. first, a massive letter-writing campaign to joe lieberman!!! yeah, that's the ticket! :eyes:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:39 AM
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1. Personally, it's the 2nd hand marijuana smoke that prevents me...
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 12:40 AM by gulfcoastliberal
A contact high is so less hip than a phat bong rip!

:sarcasm: (maybe)
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:44 AM
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6. heck, i never even got a whiff of pot being smoked. and nary
a cop car overturned!
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:33 PM
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83. Really?
One of the guys I passed marching had a joint in his hand and was puffing away. He couldn't have been alone.


:smoke:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:40 AM
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2. Makes sense...
anyone who thinks antiwar protests are all dreadlocks, tie-dyes and birkenstocks has obviously never been to one ;)
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:43 AM
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3. funny how the hand-wringers worry about what will play well to
middle amserica.

well, i was there and from from what i could tell those 150,000+ WERE middle america!
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:41 PM
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85. Tell me what democracy looks like!
This is what democracy looks like! Gave me chills every time.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:43 AM
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4. Please get it together, you could not afford to go or what ??
It was a great rally with old, young, lower and middle class, black, white, red, yellow, ect. all walks of life, you better attend the next one so you can get the reality of a rally over your dreams of them.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:45 AM
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7. sorry you missed the sarcasm. i was there. and was there in 2003.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:43 AM
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5. I have neither dreads, nor birks, nor tie-dyes of any kind, and there are
people of every age, every income, every fashion-sense, at the rallies I attend. if you choose not to attend because of the dress of SOME of the participants, for fear it won't play well to middle america, that is sad indeed. and middle america wins.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:45 AM
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8. Um, didn't really see any of that at the rally in Seattle.
Are you having flashbacks to the 60's? :silly:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:02 AM
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16. there was too much Che' there also!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:53 AM
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63. And I thought there was less of Che...
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 10:54 AM by MookieWilson
I HATE seeing that Che stuff also. I didn't see this. It seems like these folks - who all appear to be Hispanic - were having their own rally. Yes, my reaction to this picture is, "go back to Che land."

But the march was dominated by folks that 'middle america' would describe as 'normal'. There were a lot of people there with their kids, for example. And a lot of older folks.

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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:47 AM
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9. DC was my first anti-war protest
& I have to tell you that if you looked at it from the macro perspective, it comprised a broad spectrum of our society w/large elements which 'middle America' would not find even marginally offensive.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:47 AM
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10. and don't forget those pesky people who like ARABs...
those anti semites. only an anti-semite would criticize such a humanitarian like ariel sharon :sarcasm: :eyes:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:49 AM
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11. free! free! palistine! free! free! palistine!
:hi:

sorry i missed ya, bro.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:52 AM
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12. STOP THAT CHANT....ANTISEMITISM!!!
:crazy: yeah i missed everybody that day..i was busy plotting the revolution with my commie ANSWER buddies..
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:05 AM
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17. i was with the 'free mumia' faction. we need to get together, do lunch.
:)
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:10 AM
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20. man they mentioned more than one topic. they are unfocused
I am so confused. :crazy:
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:25 AM
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43. But, what about the Cuban Five?
You must not forget to mention them! Can I come to lunch, too? :)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:09 AM
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26. Why did some not demonstrate against * and the war,
but instead demonstrated against Likud, for instance?

It's not that people did *have* to demonstrate against Bush and the war, but i'm still curious why some protesters didn't.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:53 AM
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13. Cripes, folks!
Can you not read SARCASM?

, Kirk!
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:58 AM
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14. hey, Torie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smooches! :loveya:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:58 AM
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15. I didn't go because I refuse to support commies...
...I went shopping at Wal-Mart instead.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:05 AM
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18. heh.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:07 AM
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19. Look at the clothes Dr. King and those he marched with wore
They were either formal or semi-formal attire. If you want to be taken seriously, you don't dress up to be in a circus parade. This is so superficial, and what a person wears should not matter in an ideal world, but we don't live in such a world, and we must face reality for what it is. Unfortunately, a great many people do judge a book by its cover.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:16 AM
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22. you're so right! we need to dress for success!
i suggest business casual outfits; khaki dockers, light blue oxford shirt, tassel loafers.

also, i think marching in lockstep would really impress the fencesitters!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:11 PM
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81. *snort*
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:56 PM
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87. As a billionaire for bush I must say this
I simply feel undressed without my tiara :-) and elbow length gloves.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:17 AM
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59. King dressed like the ordinary middle class people of the day.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 10:18 AM by electropop
Fashion was a lot different then. Hardly anybody dresses that way now, unless they have to at work. The key is to look like the people you are trying to influence, and Saturday's diverse crowd certainly did that.

On edit: didn't see many mullets though.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:06 PM
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78. Which is why I wore a polo shirt and khakis.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:13 AM
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21. That's pretty shallow thinking there
In our rally in San Francisco, we had everyone from grandmas to little kids. Dress wasn't the important matter of the day except for comfortable shoes. It's what's in the heart that matters, not what's on the feet or the hairstyle.

Didn't you have anything 'groovy' enough to wear? :P
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:22 AM
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23. i was too groovy. grew a goatee, wore a black turtleneck and a beret.
and a fresh pack of clove cigs!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:09 AM
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39. Those things'll stunt your growth! nt
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:47 AM
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31. I think he's being sarcastic n/t
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:13 PM
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74. I'd call it shallow reporting.
In our anti-war marches in Oregon I'd say 90% of the crowd was what you'd call "mainstream" yippie looking people.

But you'd never have a clue from any of the paper pics or tv news reports.

Because as humorous as it sounds up top of this thread...the fact is that 10% was garnering 99% of the media attention which in fact is what they wanted.

Those trying to draw attention to themselves draw it away from the event.

Those in the msm love them because it allows them to objectify the "loonie hippies" instead of having to do the real job of talking about why thousands and thousands of people are taking to the street.

Is it right? No. But it is so.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:27 AM
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24. I don't go because of the smell of tofu.
Nothing smells worse than bean curd. :silly:

:eyes:

(you know I'm kidding, right? :hi:)
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:35 AM
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25. "a massive letter-writing campaign to joe lieberman!!!"
You had me going for a minute there, podner. But I can see now that you're a sly devil, and a dab hand at Swiftian irony! See ya at next rally!

pnorman
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:18 AM
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27. from perusing some of the replies, it seems not many read the entire post
either that, or they are tone deaf. :eyes:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:41 AM
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28. Or Just Plain Ole Dumb! Too Many Fucktards Too Little Patience!
Hi Sugar. Now where is the photo of you in that turtle and beret?

Peyton and I say Howdy!

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:49 AM
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49. was kidding about the beret.



cute kid!
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:58 AM
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51. Cute You!
You look a bit weary I hope you get a few days rest.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:11 AM
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55. later on i was REALLY weary.


a minor quibble with the march was i thought the route was about 25% too long.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:05 AM
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37. Don't be too hard on them, podner.
We're all at fever pitch; and for good reason. I too sometimes post in haste, as many others here do. When I made my original posting, I hadn't seen your later "irony" disclaimer".

pnorman
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:45 AM
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29. I, for one, prefer staying home and watching corporate news on TV
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:47 AM by deutsey
and then griping on DU about what I see reported there.

That is the most effective way to change things, imho.

:sarcasm:
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:46 AM
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30. LOL
Hey KG!!! Were you there? I was there with my lipstick on but I didn't see many DUers. Thanks for the laugh!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:48 AM
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32. Indeed
Throwing things at the TV when the commines take over C-SPAN always helps.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:51 AM
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33. Let Me Guess, Rather Than Dealing W/ VALID Criticism Of ANSWER
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 08:52 AM by cryingshame
you post this sad attempt at satire and think it is clever.

So let's see, according to you:

1. the Left is incapable of organizing Anti-War protests, rallies and marches without the help of power hungry Stalinists who seek to rid the US of representational democracy

2. it's impossible to celebrate the huge turnout and the march AND criticize ANSWER's rally which is what got televised

3. Only people who went to the rally/march/protest have a right to hold an opinion about whether ANSWER's participation in the Left's Anti-War movement

Have I got that right?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:54 AM
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35. Spot on!
Not to mention the fact that Saturday proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that A.N.S.W.E.R. desperately needs the anti-war movement, but the anti-war movement doesn't need A.N.S.W.E.R. whatsoever!
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:47 AM
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45. 'power hungry Stalinists'?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:49 AM
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47. LMFAO...i forgot to tell ya...we sang "the internatonale" all the way
from CT to DC on the ANSWER bus. it sure was GREAT, comrade KG!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:21 AM
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61. Read this link
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:34 AM
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65. Oh. My. God.
Walt I didn't know that there were ACTUAL COMMUNISTS at the march. You are so right. I will stay home from now on and, like you, urge everyone I know to stay home and not attend any more demonstrations that might have ACTUAL COMMUNISTS.

:sarcasm:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:45 AM
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68. There's a difference between Communists being present
and Communists sponsoring an event.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:41 PM
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75. OK that does it I'm calling your nonsense out now.
ANSWER is a coalition. As far as I can tell, exactly one coalition member can be described as 'stalinist' or even 'communist'.

Here, the ANSWER coalition:

IFCO:

http://www.ifconews.org/

What does IFCO stand for?

Since 1967 IFCO has been working for peace and justice in the US and beyond.

The Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization (IFCO) was founded in 1967 by progressive church leaders and activists. Its purpose: to advance the struggles of oppressed people for justice and self-determination. For over 36 years, IFCO has assisted the poor and disenfranchised in developing and sustaining community organizations to fight human and civil rights injustices. This work includes education about the realities of the poor in the US and the third world.


Free Palestine Alliance:
http://www.freepalestinealliance.org/rashmawi/index.html

No information. The ADL thinks they hate jews, but somehow I suspect that they are a bit biased. No indication that they are communists or marxists or anything other than pro-palestinian.


Haiti Support Network:

(can't find a web site) - the closest I could get is http://www.pitt.edu/~ttwiss/irtf/haiti.html

They seem to not be your dreaded stalinists, but who knows, they could be hiding underneath the covers.

Partnership for Civil Justice:
http://www.justiceonline.org/

Go ahead and visit their website - I couldn't find any stalinists, perhaps you will have better luck. They seem to want to litigate civil rights issues. Horrors!

Nicaragua Network:
http://www.nicanet.org/

Hmmm... once again the stalinists must be lurking under the bed or something.

Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Phillippines:
no website found - so we will have to just consign them to the 'who knows' category.

Korea Truth Commission:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/press/koreatruth.htm
Part of Veterns for Peace. It seems that we may have massacred a whole lot of civilians 55 years ago in Korea and there is a commission that is trying to get the facts straight. I'm looking for the Stalinists but they don't seem to be here. Perhaps you think that criticising our actions in the Korean war makes somebody all gung ho about Kim?

Muslim Student Association - National
http://www.msa-natl.org/

This is a religious association. No stalinists making themselves visible. Must be hiding again. Darn they are tricky.

Kensington Welfare Rights Union:
http://www.kwru.org/

These guys must be stalinists, right? After all they think poor people "have a right to thrive - not just barely survive" that is some obvious stalinist bullshit.

Mexico Solidarity Network:
http://www.mexicosolidarity.org/

"The Mexico Solidarity Network struggles for democracy, economic justice and human rights on both sides of the US-Mexico border." Wow: stalinism written all over that statement of principles.

Party for Socialism and Liberation
http://socialismandliberation.org/mag/index.php
OK here ya go: revolutionary communists. Score one for you Walt.

Middle East Children's Alliance:
http://www.mecaforpeace.org/
"MECA is committed to protecting and advocating for the rights of all people, especially children. Our work is rooted in a deep sense of justice and we have a commitment to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international and humanitarian law. With these principles as our base, our work is two-fold:"

Disgusting. Obviously they are in cahoots with Kim Il Sung, or is it Kim Jung Il, I can never remember. They hide it well though.




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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:56 PM
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76. Sorry, lay down with dogs, get up with fleas
One communist organization in the coalition paints the entire coalition as communistic.

Don't like it? TOO FUCKING BAD!! That's political reality.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. got it walt
just wanted to be sure that you are solidly lost in 50's era red-baiting bullshit. OK. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:31 PM
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82. Take away whatever opinion you like
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 02:09 PM by Walt Starr
I have no common cause with ANSWER because it is a Communist organization.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. But you are associating with us unsavory types here walt!
I attended the demonstration and have been tainted by the evil commies from answer.

This whole guilt by association thing is terrible. I'm sure that there are communists, socialists, anarchists, and probably baby-eating satanists right here on DU! You should be very careful lest the taint of the unacceptable smears your good reputation. Stay home. Stay off the internet. Keep the blinds drawn.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:46 PM
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86. This is Skinner's house
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 01:47 PM by Walt Starr
I've never seen Skinner advocating the violent overthrow of capitalism.

Go back to a couple of posts ago to see my opinion about participation vs. sponsorship.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. communistic?
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 01:11 PM by goodhue
Does that mean those folks who tend to live in communes?
Like the hippies or the Israelis?
I didn't realize they are evildoers that threaten our freedom.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/c1/communis-s.asp

communistic settlements
Related: Reform

communities practicing common ownership of goods. Communistic settlements were known in ancient and medieval times, but the flowering of such groups occurred in the 19th cent. in the United States, where a number of German pietistic sects established such communities as the Amana Church Society , Iowa; Harmony, Pa. (see Harmony Society ); and Zoar , Ohio. Similar settlements were founded by the Shakers, Mormons, Mennonites, Dukhobors, and Jansenites. Unique religious settlements were the Oneida Community (see under Oneida , N.Y.); Hopedale, Mass.; and the Brotherhood of the New Life, N.Y. (see Harris, Thomas Lake ). Other communities were non-Christian, often antireligious and utopian. The leading communities within this group were of two types, those founded by the followers of Robert Owen (including New Harmony , Ind., and Nashoba, Tenn.) and the numerous ones (notably Brook Farm , Mass.) formed on the principles of Charles Fourier . Belonging to neither of these groups were the Icarian settlements, led by Étienne Cabet , and the anarchistic villages of Josiah Warren . The religious groups, unified by strong faith and authority, tended to prosper and outlive the secular groups; the latter, however, often attracting brilliant and original personalities, provided a ferment of new thought. The chief attempts since the 19th cent. at setting up such colonies have been in Israel, where there are a number of successful agricultural collectives (see collective farm ).

Bibliography: See R. M. Kanter, Commitment and Community (1972); B. M. Berger, The Survival of a Counterculture (1981); P. Yeo, The Work of a Co-operative Community (1988).
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:00 PM
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93. ah, the Rush Clone Talking Point
:eyes:

peace
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #45
67. "hungry Stalinists who seek to rid the US of representational democracy"
The whole phrase was so goshdarn funny it's a crime to leave off the bit at the end.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #67
89.  "hungry Stalinists who seek to rid the US of representational democracy"
it has such a ring to it, I just had to repeat it.

am I reading a Zap Comic?

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:52 AM
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34. ...
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:00 AM
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36. Just read this from Faux's site.
<snip>
"The woman with the camcorder and the bare feet is now flossing her teeth. I kid you not.

She's got a long thread of floss hanging down from her mouth and her hands are going back and forth. Yup, she just spit on the Amtrak floor. Your proud protesters, ladies and gentlemen. Thankfully I let my cameraman go before I made this this trip. You're spared.
</snip>

<snip>
Of course, the right to demonstrate against one's government is the mark of a true democracy. Unfortunately for my nasal passages and sense of smell, most of the demonstrators feel that the mark of a true democracy is the right not to bathe.
</snip>


From: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170465,00.html


Now, dont get me wrong...I support this cause, but if I were this guy (who sounds like a typical Faux repuke by the way), I might get a little ticked off too. This shit is the reason that Joe Barcolounger tends to veer right.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Real reliable news source
:eyes:

Maybe Joe Barcolounger ought to get off his fat ass and read interviews with real people he might actually recognize, instead having FOX spoonfeed him this vile propaganda:

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/09/katrina_and_cindy.html
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. Joe Barcalounger doesn't even know
his rights are being stripped away from him. As for that stupid insulting nonsense from Fox, it's been my experience that most Joe Barcaloungers could use better grooming than most 'hippies' these days.

Whatta crockashit Faux is.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:16 AM
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42. That FOX "report" reminds me of how the Nazis portrayed Jews
They equated Jews to filthy vermin in their propaganda, and always found the most marginal of individuals (mentally disturbed, for example) to highlight as the "norm".

I always wondered how the German people could be so stupid as to fall for such blatant lies, distortions, and crass manipulations...until FOX came along, that is.
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:26 AM
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44. Agreed. It is one person's obviously biased point of view.
My remark that I would get ticked off too still stands though. There is a certain amount of public courtesy that should be maintained, and it sounds like that courtesy was swept aside in this guys experience (if it is true at all anyway, who knows) This is the perception that a lot of middle American average Joes have of protestors, true or not...that was my point.

About the Nazi/Jewish Faux News/Liberal comparison...I see your point, but I think it is stretching it a bit.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:47 AM
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46. I think Fox is doing all the stretching...of the truth
I was there in DC...I don't have a clue what this dork is talking about.

In a crowd of up to 300,000, you're going to find screwballs. By and large, it's amazing to me that such a diversity of people crammed together for such a long march were exhibiting the public courtesy of which you speak. And from what I saw, there were many clean, courteous, respectable "middle Americans" marching on Saturday (I organized a group of them, in fact), not something FOX wants to emphasize, I'm sure.

Regarding Nazi propaganda and GOP/FOX propaganda, as far as I'm concerned the latter shamelessly uses the former's tactics (the DemocRATS campaign ad comes to mind, as does this FOX report). Listen to how the Right in this country equates Liberalism with treason, with "dirty hippies", with immorality, etc.
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:01 AM
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52. OK
Like I said, I wasn't there. I was reacting to what many middle of the road Americans will be reading today on their computers. Anti-War Protestors spitting on the floor of trains while flossing their teeth barefoot. Anti-War Protestors being loud on public transit, eating smeely food. Is it their right to do these things (barring spitting on the floor) , YES. I am merely saying that instead of flaunting societies 'courtesy code' (for lack of a better description) maybe they SHOULD try approaching these rallies in the MLK fashion of dressing in nice clothes and being respectful, etc. I guarantee you it would lessen the fodder that O'Liely and Insannity will have the following Monday to spew...even if it is the minority who is guilty of it.

Yes, You have a point. In a group of 300,000 people (Note that the link I cited stated it was around 100,000, so that says something right there doesnt it?) there will be screwballs, but perhaps they should be educated on how to convey a message intelligently even if it means conforming to a societal 'code', instead of using it as an excuse to be 'different'

I liken it to the saying that a few bad apples ruin the whole bunch. And I realize that even if everyone showed up in three piece suits, you still wouldn't stop the repuke talking heads from bashing them, but take away the 'hippy' factor and what do they have left to bash? the message is clear and ireefutable, we are in an illegal war that was prompted by lies and the best I have heard repukes say about these marches on the radio is that they were dirty, anarchy hippy fests full of people wanting to show up for a party.


Thank you for being there and organizing a group, I did not mean to offend, I am merely giving my opinion as I see it from middle America.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #42
71. Obviously herman goering is alive and well and programming for faux
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 11:58 AM by Raster
Tomorrow Belongs to Me

The sun on the meadow is summery warm.
The stag in the forest runs free.
But gather together to greet the storm.
Tomorrow belongs to me.

The branch of the linden is leafy and Green,
The Rhine gives its gold to the sea.
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen.
Tomorrow belongs to me.

The babe in his cradle is closing his eyes
The blossom embraces the bee.
But soon, says a whisper;
"Arise, arise,
Tomorrow belongs to me"

Oh Fatherland, Fatherland,
Show us the sign
Your children have waited to see.
The morning will come
When the world is mine.
Tomorrow belongs to me!
______________
"Tomorrow Belongs to Me" was written by John Kander and Fred Ebb in the style of a traditional German song, sung by the Nazi youth in the movie, to stir up patriotism for the "fatherland". It has often been mistaken for a genuine "Nazi anthem" and has led to the songwriters being accused of anti-Semitism. This would be most surprising, as they are, in fact, Jewish (This fact has not stopped openly racist and anti-Semitic rock groups, like Skrewdriver, from recording the song and performing it at White Power rallies). It is also the only song sung outside of the cabaret setting to survive the transition from stage to film.


I just had to throw this into the discussion. The United States is teetering oh-so-close to its own version of national theocratic facism that it just makes you want to cry. Then it makes me want to get up and kick some ass... not my fuckin' country, bucko!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #36
88. you must be kidding
you sound like you actually believe that asshole.
These people just make shit up, don't ya know?
But if you and Joe Barcolounger want to believe him and Rush and Anne etc. that is your business.

:shrug:
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:14 AM
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41. Uh oh, don't forget those who showed up wearing PINK!
Damn us commie pinkos.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #41
50. ...and carried PINK balloons!
We sure wouldn't want to be associated with a group of women supporting our troops by ending this illegal war.

Women should just stay home - don't ya know!!!!!!!!!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #50
56. Yep, wearing pink burka's with DU t-shirts underneath!
And CodePink high top sneakers complete the ensemble.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:49 AM
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48. Damned hippies
:D

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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:28 PM
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91. Yeah! Hippies Smell!
They have long, greasy hair. They don't use soap. They eat too many vegetables. They wear tye dye and Birkenstocks. They drive beat up Volvos with too many stickers on them. They listen to the Grateful Dead. They hug trees and smoke pot. They all live in communes and practice "free love."

Hey! I wanna be a hippie!!
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:01 AM
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53. What I Cannot Stand Is:
"Hey Hey–Ho Ho–Something or Other Has Got to Go."

I attend as often as I can, but I think that running around with bandannas over one's face and walking with a sign in one hand and a Chalupa in the other is detrimental.

No offense to those who have validity, but there are a lot of so-called protesters who are only in it for the violence, disruption, or to serve some self centered need.

Rather than trekking all across the nation, I protest with my every-day.

:kick:

nominated
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. Did you catch that The OP was being Sarcastic?
Obviously you did not. You were too busy being worried about bandannas and Chalupa's. I am glad you protest with your every day. Would that be your every-day underwear or your every-day obtuseness?

KG please come read this. It got a kick and a nomination. Dude you really know how to get them to crawl out.:evilgrin:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. personally, i didn't see a chalupa all day.
apparently, only well dressed, well behaved moderate americans have 'validity'. :eyes:
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. Ok Ok I can see that I am being misunderstood here. . .
To simplify,

I attend as many as I can.

I make my own signs.

I don't like certain people who sort of invade a valid gathering.

I don't like weekend warriors.

I do everything I can to oppose this president (that is my every-day)

Sorry If I seemed obtuse...

Thx!
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #54
58. Did you catch the rules about not insulting other DU members?
You don't know me, and I am most certainly not a "crawling them"

So please, drop the Chalupa
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #53
64. The anti-World Bank protestors had their faces covered and...
all that stuff.

I didn't see that among the peace marchers. It doesn't mean they weren't there.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #53
79. Is there something wrong with Chalupas?
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 01:10 PM by mutley_r_us
Yum!


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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:33 AM
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62. Not to mention these obvious subversives
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #62
66. and don't forget the vegans!
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 11:35 AM by Warren Stupidity
Damn those were bad cookies.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:47 AM
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69. So I guess you don't like it when I play my Pan-pipes and
dance bearfoot in an earth-friendly loincloth? Does that scare you? Do you feel threatened by my aligned and grounded Chakras?

Man, you are so square, you probably comb your hair every day. Don't you understand that head-lice are living things too?

Murderer!!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:47 AM
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70. If i EVER start worrying about
what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News is going to say,
Someone PLEASE shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery.

The armchair activists will ALWAYS find a reason to stay comfy in the house and whine about the things other people are doing.

I would like some more suggestions about "How to dress to impress Rush Limbaugh and other Conservative Idiots!" ....(not!)
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:03 PM
Response to Original message
72. I was there and after sitting in Kansas all summer, I'll tell you the.....
diversity was frickin beautiful! Young, old, fancy to hippie, all nationalities, beautiful people one and all.




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SwimmerFilms Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
73. The nerve of those American hippies
all protesting and stuff with regular folks.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:25 PM
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90. No offense, but Fuck Middle America!!
They are idiots that put this bigger idiot in the WhiteHouse in the first place.

Middle America can kiss my ass.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:53 PM
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92. What, no claims of racism, sexism and homophobia?
If your going to try the old mau mau, don't say that people are prejudiced against tie dye.

After all, the object is to score points, not convince people. Come right out and say that if they don't care for the organizers of a rally, it's only because they are evil.

It's fun, and gives a way to self righteously blame the same people for the election of conservatives in 2006, 2008 and beyond.

Because rallies aren't to convince people. They are to find out who to insult.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:12 PM
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94. Us dreadlocked types are so bad...
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 10:12 PM by primate1
That even by my mere existence, I figure I've set the anti-war movement back at least 700 years.
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:42 PM
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95. I wore my
middle of the road macs and my cappucino khakis so as to be identified as a 100% certified member of the homogeneity laity. All members of the plastic priesthood had name tags attached so we could be easily identified as a group willing to be fully assimilated into the maw of whatever the mass marketing machine mandated.

Are you doing nuance again?

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