Does anybody , Republican or otherwise believe that if we win in Iraq

[Toots]

that Terrorism will have been defeated? Terrorism did not originate in Iraq nor will it end with Iraq so who is next. Where will our military be sent next to continue the unending war on terrorism. Maybe I am wrong and all terrorism will end with Saddam's trial but do Freepers believe that is the case? Is there an end and if so where exactly is that end? Are we really engaged in an unending war?

[bryant69]

1. Well

The theory is sort of the reverse domino theory. If we "win" in Iraq, Iraq will become a modern, secular, successful Demcoracy. The key word is successful. If we succeed in Iraq and Afghanistan we will have presented to the middle east a model for progress, that we can encourage them to follow. They will then, eventually, become modern secular Democracies as well.

That's the theory, at any rate.

Bryant
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[Greyhound]

6. Governments based in any religion don't work well, unless you

define working well as subjugation of the masses. Probably has to do with forcing people's brains into some kind of psychotic disconnect. :hide:

[shilohtd]

7. Like GW does with his "base"

I am sensing a pattern. All you need to add is preferential treatment for Pat Robertson and James Dobson.... O wait that is already happening....

[Greyhound]

11. Exactly! n/t

[newyawker99]

8. Hi shilohtd!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast;

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. Yes, it is an unending war

and just so convenient for the arms dealers. Always a little action here and there, you know?

[rman]

3. One of the goals was to create democracy in Iraq

For the time being they have settled on an Islam theocracy, which imo is step back from the secular socialist dictatorship that they had under Saddam.
But maybe the freeps are more opposed to secularism then to Islam fundamentalism...

[shilohtd]

4. Another nice little look at how republicans think.

>> >> >> Subject: A thought to PONDER
>> >> >> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:51:23 -0500
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S.
>> >> >> PRESIDENT,DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE
>> >> >> THE FOLLOWING SPEECH? My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the
>> >> >> defeat
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> Iraq regime hasbeen
>> >> >> completed. We are currently in the bloody process of reconstruction
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the institution of
>> >> >> democracy and freedom. It is now to begin the reckoning. Before me,
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> have two lists. One list
>> >> >> contains the names of countrieswhich have stood by our side during
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Iraq conflict. This list
>> >> >> is short.The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> some ofthe countries
>> >> >> listed there. The other list contains everyone not on the first
>> >> >> list.
>> >> >> Most of theworld's nations
>> >> >> are on that list. My press secretary will be distributingcopies of
>> >> >> both
>> >> >> lists later this
>> >> >> evening. Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign
>> >> >> aid
>> >> >> tothose nations on List
>> >> >> 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The moneysaved during the
>> >> >> first
>> >> >> year alone will pretty
>> >> >> much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war. The American people are no
>> >> >> longer going to pour money
>> >> >> into thirdworld Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow
>> >> >> fat
>> >> >> oncorruption. Need help
>> >> >> with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Either clean up your act
>> >> >> or...
>> >> >> call France. In the
>> >> >> future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect thismoney
>> >> >> toward
>> >> >> solving the vexing
>> >> >> social problems we still have at home and fixing Iraq. Onthat note,
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> word to terrorist
>> >> >> organizations. Screw with us and we willhunt you down and eliminate
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> and all your friends
>> >> >> from the face of theearth. Thirsting for a gutsy country to
>> >> >> terrorize?
>> >> >> Try France, or maybe
>> >> >> Germany. I am ordering the
>> >> >> immediate severing of diplomatic relations withFrance,Germany, and
>> >> >> Russia. Thanks for all your
>> >> >> help, comrades. We areretiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes
>> >> >> amis.
>> >> >> I have instructed the
>> >> >> Mayor of New York City to begin towing the manyUN diplomatic
>> >> >> vehicles
>> >> >> located in Manhattan with
>> >> >> more than two unpaidparking tickets to sites where those vehicles
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> stripped, shredded
>> >> >> andcrushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this.
>> >> >> Youcreeps have tens of
>> >> >> thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrowor watch
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> precious Benzes, Beamers
>> >> >> and limos be turned over to someof the finest chop shops in the
>> >> >> world.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> love New York . A
>> >> >> special note toour neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are
>> >> >> likely
>> >> >> to be seeing alot more
>> >> >> of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us offfor a
>> >> >> change. Mexico is also on
>> >> >> List 2. President Fox and his entire corruptgovernment really need
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> attitude adjustment.
>> >> >> There's a reason why Mexicans are migrating northward. Oh, and we
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> mind having your people
>> >> >> work for us either.So start doing something with your oil. Oh, by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> way, the United States is
>> >> >> abrogating the NAFTA treaty
>> >> >> -Starting now. We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately,
>> >> >> we'll
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> drillingfor oil in
>> >> >> Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs
>> >> >> fordecades
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> come. If you're an
>> >> >> environmentalist who opposes this
>> >> >> decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move
>> >> >> there.
>> >> >> They care. It is time for
>> >> >> America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.Some will
>> >> >> accuse
>> >> >> us of isolationism. I
>> >> >> answer them by saying, "darntootin." Nearly a century of trying to
>> >> >> help
>> >> >> folks live a decent life
>> >> >> aroundthe world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about
>> >> >> everyone onthe planet. It is
>> >> >> time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time toeliminate
>> >> >> homelessness
>> >> >> in America. It is time
>> >> >> to eliminate World Cup Soccerfrom America. To the nations on List
>> >> >> 1, a
>> >> >> final thought. Thanks
>> >> >> guys. Weowe you and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a
>> >> >> final
>> >> >> thought: You might want
>> >> >> to learn to speak Arabic. God bless America. Thank you and good
>> >> >> night.

[DS1]

9. Win what?

[Toots]

10. The OIL of course

What else is there to win????

[KharmaTrain]

12. There'll Always Be A Boogie Man

Look at the Repugnican playbook and it's always been focused on demonizing and stereotyping, then scaring the sheeple into believing in that fear and brainwashing them into believing only the Repugnican party can protect/save them from these evils.

Previously it was "Communist". It didn't matter if it was Russian or Chinese or Cuban or Ethiopian...it as a label of some massive global conspiracy that was determined to destroy America in every way possible. They were athiests who would burn churches, they were socialists who would steal all your money and rape your wimmen. It worked great on my generation...worked well on the Democrats as well.

When the Soviet Union fell under its own corruption and largess, the Communist evil was gone and forced the Repugnicans to find a new Boogie Man. They needed one they could use to conger up the same fears they did with the Commie...and they found it in Osama/Saddam..."Islamofascism" was born. All the stars were aligned to turn the old Commie chestnuts into ones against "Terrorists"...turn the stereotype from the Russian to the Bearded Muslim and here we are.

Even if the "terrorists" are rooted out of every Muslim country, another threat will surface. Eco-terrorists? Drug dealers (remember we're still "at war") with them...China?

The upshot is having a Boogie man helps keep the Repugnicans on a simple message and easy to control. It also works to the financial benefits of the powers-that-be in that party as defense contractors, oil companies and bankers crank up the war toys to "ease the fears".

Peace...