"Brownie" hearing official thread #4

[ncrainbowgrrl]

Previous thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4900712

[digno dave]

1. Buyer "buyering" time

[Sydnie]

2. telling people in advance to get out of NO

"regardless of what the gov or mayor were saying ... I would be evacuating" -- on tv BEFORE land fall he says

[VolcanoJen]

4. It's time to play "Blame The Victims!"

:eyes:

[pacalo]

78. How many of those impoverished people that were shown on tv

begging for help would have been able to fork out a thousand dollars or so to pack up & leave town? The fact is, they weren't able do that.

[The Witch]

"Orleans was exluded" = LIE = PERJURY

And Drownie lets his dogs run around without a leash. I'm sure he calls it "coordinating" dog-walking.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. DID you just hear him say that it was Blanco that left out NOLA in

the request for help ????? What Bullshit -- It was Bush's people who left NOLA et al out TWICE !!!! SHIT

[rodeodance]

123. I heard that and then from Brownie--I went ahead and prepared for them

anyway (paraphasing)

[sabra]

Buyer: blame Blanco end of story

[rodeodance]

6. Yes, Buyer is carefully laying the grounds to put blame on Blanco.

[rodeodance]

10. at first I thought Buyers was doing good, then I realized he is going

after Blanco.

[sabra]

13. Buyers is Brownie's Jeff Gannon

[Marie26]

8. Buyers on - Well, looks like the Rep. cavalry is here to save the day!

[fooj]

5. I can't even watch this anymore!

I am so angry I'm crying! This isn't the country that I know and love.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. You're right !! Unfuckingbelievable. PLEASE tell me he is not

going to get away with this. Is this the hearing that Pelosi said no dems? Are there any dems there???????????

[fooj]

30. Nope.

:grr:

[Lancer]

34. Gene Taylor from Bay St. Louis, MS

and Jefferson from LA -- the guy who had the Nat'l Guard escort him to his house to get his laptop, IIRC

[VolcanoJen]

7. I'm embarrassed to live right next door to Indiana.

Congressman Buyer, you're an idiot.

[spuddonna]

16. Buyer is tryiing to say Brown went on TV to get people out...

trying to get Brown to say 'Blanco went on TV and said ignore Brown'?! wtf!

These people are shameless...

[rodeodance]

57. well, Buyer is shoring up his friend Brown/JR -that is for sure.

[TankLV]

139. This would be funny if it weren't so serious.

It's kinda hard to LIE like they are WHEN THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF VIDEO TAPE TO PROVE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE AND THE REPUKES ARE SAYING!

WE HAVE A DOCUMENTED TIMELINE GODDAMMIT!

They really are arrogant assholes!

Do they really think anybody is buying what they are claiming?

[WestHoustonDem]

9. This is Bullshit! Orleans and Jefferson Parishes were included

in the first and second paragraphs: http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

[rodeodance]

14. but FEMA is set up in 'regions"--which, as i take it-did not include no?

[WestHoustonDem]

20. Read the disaster request

at http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Brownie just clamed that Jefferson and Orleans were excluded, but they were mentioned twice in the first two paragraphs.

[mzmolly]

113. Get this to the media. He'll be proven a fool.

Thanks for the link.

[demo dutch]

135. Brown also mentioned Plaquemines which is in the letter as well

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

And I will harp and harp on this. Pelosi screwed up. There is no one there

to rebut that now and shove that document down his throat.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Me too. What a fucking fatal error. They are getting away with

fucking murder.

[rodeodance]

45. yes, I am beginning to realize that now.

[TankLV]

140. No she didn't at all - this is a FARCE! A better one that I expected, but

a FARCE!

Pelosi better not back down now!

She was entirely right in boycotting this FARCE.

She is SHINING right now!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Man -- How can we get this out ASAP - Could we fax to his office?

[WestHoustonDem]

54. I'm emailing Olbermann, Rhodes and every other

media person who might listen

[Pirate Smile]

74. Good. E-mail the media everything to prove the lies. I hope

Think Progress is all over this also.

[rodeodance]

131. How do we get to Buyers office?

[Emit]

36. Really. What's this crap: "Brownie added these counties..."?

Here's Blanco's request:


http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

[TankLV]

143. It's in the FUCKING FIRST PARAGRAPH! It's right there in Black & White!

God these fucking arrogant REPUKE LIARS!

Just what are they planning? It's as if they don't even CARE about being caught in LIE after LIE!

They reall have NO INTENTION of relinquishing power, regardless of what the elections may dictate!

This is a LOT bigger than just Katrina.

[pacalo]

12. Drownie was "focused on New Orleans"

but he didn't know until the end of the week about the convention center. Interesting.

[VolcanoJen]

18. Someone needs to play that Ted Koppel interview with Drownie.

It says it all.

[rodeodance]

21. but ealier said he 'misspoke about not knowing about the convention

center. He was tired he said.

[rodeodance]

22. Buyer--'dispite the fact that the Gov EXCLUDED 3 parishes-YOU went

ahead and INCLUDED THEM?--this was buyer rephasing what browie said.

[rodeodance]

27. Buyer asked Brown if the 3 parishes were EVER included in the Declara=

tion --

[MidnightWind]

52. Right he claimed he had known about the folks at the convention

center the day before and he simply "misspoke" in interviews. For the record, he told Paula Zahn, Brian Williams, and Ted Koppel that he did NOT know about the convention center debacle on-air. What a fucking liar!

[Kool Kitty]

15. Why is there NOT ENOUGH PERSONNEL?

and he doesn't know how many people short they are? "I think I did testify that we needed people..." They are going to look it up. Good. I'll bet good money that he never made any such request.

[babylonsister]

25. All gov't programs were probably cut to aid the war effort. nt

[CountAllVotes]

19. who is that sitting behind Brownie?

The man behind him wearing the yellow tie. He has a look on his face like, "oh yeah you fuckin' LIAR!".

:popcorn:

Oh yeah, food/water/staff at the Superdome! SINCE WHEN!!! :grr:

Good damn show alright! :D

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. don't know. Are there Democrats there? Or is this the one

Pelosi said no to. If it is she made a whopper mistake. They are getting away with murder.

[VolcanoJen]

29. Congressman Taylor of Mississippi was there... also Jefferson of LA.

Only Dems I know of attending.

[fooj]

39. Just came by briefly...no dems there for the duration.

Peace.

[VolcanoJen]

56. Jefferson is still there... they yielded to him briefly...

... just a few minutes ago.

[fooj]

No dems, Laura.

Peace.

[VolcanoJen]

I'm sorry, fooj, but that's just not true.

Are we watching the same program?

Not sure about Taylor, but Jefferson was still there only a few minutes ago.

[TankLV]

145. No they won't. She made a wise and correct decision.

The REPUKES are showing themselves to the whole WORLD the LIARS and PARTISAN HACKS they are!

I support Pelosi on this!

[VolcanoJen]

23. OMG!! Buyer: "I'm not aware of any declarations for those 3 parishes."

SOMEONE FAX IT NOW!!!

[rodeodance]

33. He is saying that Blanco never declared these 3 parishes. whow.

[demo dutch]

41. LIE LIE LIE.. see link

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. And we know she did. It is so frigging frustrating that I can't transport

myself there with documents in hand!!!!

[demo dutch]

72. I emailed NBC with link ...I'm sure they're on it

[Sydnie]

26. Oh Please! The fema people left the SD before the storm hit

They were pulled out and moved out. They have already said that weeks ago.

[demo dutch]

28. LIE, LIE, LIE..declarations at this link does incl Orleans parish etc

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

It even mentions the specifically the CITY OF NEW ORLEANS

[rodeodance]

38. so, how can you throw that in Buyers face right now?

[demo dutch]

75. I emailed NBC with link ...I'm sure they're on it

[Botany]

31. Repug response ....

1. $$$$$ @ the problem (but make sure their folks profit)
2. BLAME STATE & LOCAL DEMS
3. Hold shame hearings ASAP .......

Rep. Buyer is doing that.

[dogday]

32. I hope those guys are wearing boots

cuz the shit is piling up in that room. More lies than I can count. Can they get his ass for perjury or what?

[VolcanoJen]

40. Under oath, Brownie said he received everything he requested...

... from the White House. Then, he backtracked and said he did not receive everything he requested.

:silly: :silly: :silly:

[rodeodance]

68. brown is doing lots of backtracking

[VolcanoJen]

88. By their standards, his counsel is doing "a heck of a job!"

Heh. :-)

[Marie26]

43. Buyers "appreciates the correction" from Jefferson

there really need to be more Democrats there to fact-check all the BS coming out.

[WestHoustonDem]

37. Read This! The paragraph of the 8/20 disaster relief request!

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. ?? 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR ? 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Rita for the time period beginning September 20, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the coastal parishes including the Lake Charles, Lafayette and New Orleans metropolitan areas and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Rita.

more at http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=5051

[demo dutch]

47. Read this ..Blanco's Declaration at this link ...

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Lies Lies Lies!!!

[rodeodance]

66. thanks for this.

[elehhhhna]

42. no comment needed:

[Kool Kitty]

44. What is Buyer talking about?

What satellite phones? Now he's talking about the self-help angle. Oy.

[rodeodance]

49. Fema could NOT imagine that communications would be out!! simple

as that!!

[Kool Kitty]

59. This has to be the least imaginative administration

in this country's history. Un-fuckin-believable.

[Sydnie]

67. no more coloring books for blivet** - plain paper only from now on!

Un-fucking-believeable!

[Skidmore]

48. Does the Senate get a crack at this type of hearing?

[rodeodance]

51. yes, the Senate will have its own invest. but Reed said Dems will not

participate.

[dogday]

63. Why are they not participating? nt

[Pirate Smile]

Because they are partisan and controlled by the Republicans. Dems

can't even subpoena anyone without the Repubs OK. It is a partisan whitewash.

The Dems want an Independent Commission (or an evenly split between the parties hearing) and didn't want to give this farce any credibility because it isn't non or bi-partisan at all.

edit to add - the Dems obviously can't subpoena the people to contradict the bullshit. They can't call witnesses to show the failures or problems. They have no power at all in these Hearings so they didn't want to go along with them and make them look like a "real" investigation.

[lpbk2713]

50. Buyer just quoted Jefferson incorrectly.

And then Jefferson corrected him. But the trick was to put the words into the record so that they could later be quoted out of context. What a weasel.

[Marie26]

53. Go Myrick! Makes me glad to be in NC

[Skidmore]

58. Sorry I missed it. But what did she ask?

[Marie26]

82. Basically

She just basically did a litany of all the reported instances of FEMA turning back food, misdirecting supplies, refusing gas, etc.

Favorite quote: Brown says we didn't know what's in the trucks.
Myrick: These are trucks FEMA contracted - how could you not know what's on the trucks?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

60. Glad she's doing SOMETHING to represent our state...

'bout time.

:hi: to another North Carolinian DUer!

[timber84]

117. Why?

She's just another Bushbot. I'm really proud she helped out that cafta treaty.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

55. OMG- Myrick actually doing something for the American People?!

Wow.

[Kool Kitty]

64. He's saying that the state is responsible for coordinating aid.

But the aid people have been saying that FEMA was turning them away.

[displacedtexan]

65. Not really.

Soft balls.

She's ignoring the fact that New Orleans was effing GONE. How the hell was the mayor supposed to know exactly how many truckloads of MREs he needed and where he needed them?

Craptastic set up to make Brownie look quasi-competent.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

81. True.

However, for Myrick, this is pretty amazing departure from her normal "Everything is good" line.

[speedoo]

106. What is Myrick's district? n/t

[timber84]

126. 9th

[speedoo]

130. Which part of the state is that?

thanks.

[timber84]

132. Charlotte and vicinity

[timber84]

124. Myrick needs to go!!!!!

North Carolina does not need her anymore!

[spuddonna]

61. Myrick is asking about the supplies that were stopped by FEMA...

She 'doesn't believe all these stories' in the papers...

Yes, those lying crazy newspaper reporters... Reporting news... What's that all about? :eyes:

Brownie saying that the reason they were turned away was because of communications problems?!

[Botany]

73. She also said FEMA is not first responders!

WTF? An emergency management agency is not supposed to respond
to emergencies first????????

Blanco signed the papers on SAT and * signed off on Sunday .....
it was Federalized then and there.

[Sydnie]

62. So the STATES sent ice to Maine?

I call bull shit on that!

[rodeodance]

71. "unified command structure"--How many times has Brown said this?

[rodeodance]

77. FEMA needs a UPS sytem (I think this)

[rodeodance]

83. so, it comes down to---very little was done since 9/11. simple isn't it.

[rodeodance]

86. Brown is saying FEMA does not have the logistical things it needs to

know materials went-or did not go.

[Kool Kitty]

76. "Why does FEMA not know what's on the trucks?"

Because he has no idea what he's doing, that's why. And because he and the rest of his staff were incompetent, people died needlessly. This is too pathetic. And so damn sad.

[babylonsister]

69. Why is CSPAN leaving this coverage in 5 minutes?

Is there something more important going on in the House? OR don't they want us to see this?

[liveoaktx]

70. "Ad Hoc" response- no, Brownie was in CHARGE-he was the one

that needed to create a unified command structure. What bullsh*

[Kool Kitty]

90. Oh, here we go-

"If the truckers hear reports of widespread violence..." That's right, if only the press wasn't reporting the truth, the truckers could've rolled. Why couldn't supplies have been airdropped? Good question, Ms. Myrick.

[Skidmore]

79. He didn't think he wasn't in control then and he doesn't think

he's not in control now. That's the point.

[The Witch]

80. But does any of this explain why they'd turn away supplies

that had already got there? He's explaining why they'd "over" order, but not why they'd refuse supplies.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Great! Let Republicans lay indefensible stuff down before real inquiry

Let the Republicans and their cronies record indefensible statements into the record. When the real NON-partisan Floodgate inquiry happens (and it will), then their gooses will be toasty and charred.

The coverup is always worse than the crime in terms of the effectiveness of widespread exposure. In this case, the crime (gross negligent mass homicide) is so horrendous that the crime may lead to the harsher penalties, but the coverup will stink up the whole country and keep the issue going longer and continually remind people of the corruption. We may see this sequence: Bush last gasp helicopter tours and hurricane season end, coverup ends, real inquiry begins, horrendous details come out, 2006 hurricane season begins, inquiry reports, hurricane season whirls along, and then Nov. 2006 elections.

[high density]

85. Brown: "Didn't even know what we had in the trucks"

Yeah, you ordered the trucks and the stuff in them, but it was the state's fault that you guys didn't have a clue how to track what you were actually getting? What a freaking disgrace this guy is.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

91. Meanwhile there were reports of trucks lined up for miles waiting to

get into New Orleans to help and weren't allowed to.

[spuddonna]

87. Brown isn't answering Myrick's questions...

He's dancing around about the deliveries being mismatched, but he isn't addressing the reason why they were turned away.

If what he's saying is true, then there should have been multiple trucks with extras sent out to places...

[rodeodance]

89. "Why not airdrop to con.center and dome"--Brown says need to find out

why this happened.

[Skidmore]

94. Rummy & Rove coached him. This is part of the argument

to militarize disaster response and do away with posse comitatus.

[Marie26]

95. Isn't that why we're here? Now he's "too busy" to give documents?

[rodeodance]

93. c-span cut to the House. They will be back.

[VolcanoJen]

92. OH NO!! C-SPAN is abandoning coverage, too!

Is this on any other channel?

CNN and MSNBC dropped it, too!!!

:grr:

[WestHoustonDem]

96. They said temporarily. They're going back to it. n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

98. Damn! nt

[high density]

99. I'm watching it on CBS' website

http://www.cbsnews.com

[VolcanoJen]

101. Thanks, high density!!

:thumbsup:

[demo dutch]

107. They broke for lunch

[rodeodance]

103. and not on Fox either

[rodeodance]

105. Fox is howing Jr doing his thing in TX.

[rodeodance]

111. nominated.

[Marie26]

104. Ack! Why?

They dropped this hearing for the "quarterly financial report"!?

[Kool Kitty]

97. Oh, goddamnit!

That's it?

[izzybeans]

100. Can Congressmen and women perjure themselves in these hearings

Buyer clearly knows Brown is lying as well, and Buyer is telling lies in turn. Funny thing this whole truth thing. Run rampant little thief, run rampant indeed.

[spuddonna]

102. Brown just told Myrick that they did ask for airlifts of H20...

Will we ever know the truth? I mean, as long as we have no independent panel, we'll never know... This panel is so skewed and they're trying to make Brownie's return a 'good idea'...

[VolcanoJen]

108. Are they in recess now? When are they resuming?

Anyone?

[demo dutch]

After lunch, lots of lies incredible!!!! under oath!

[VolcanoJen]

112. Thanks, demo. I was really enjoying that.

Lies, lies, and more lies. After lunch, a big can o'lies!!

:-)

[demo dutch]

127. So he lies under oath about lots of stuff incl declarations of 3 parishes

were missing. So what happens to him?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

122. Hope lunch is nice and short.

This hearing was fun.

[Marie26]

109. Did you notice

Right before they cut away, Myrick asked for documents showing FEMA asked for airlifts; & asked if he could get those in a timely manner. Brownie sort of chuckles & says FEMA's "under the gun" & it might be awhile. You're unemployed!! How busy can you be?

[Sydnie]

As a "consultant" he shouldn't have access to that info anymore himself

He should have to ask someone with that authority

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

119. Actually he is employed. He was rehired by FEMA as a consultant!

[Peachhead22]

110. Can Pelosi and the Dems?

Tomorrow or soon can Pelosi or any Dem Senator not at the hearing bring up Brownie on perjury charges? While we're at it, bring up some of the 'Pubs on that committee with subborning perjury?

Probably not since we're in the minority, but we can certainly do it in the press. Then if the 'Pub leadership still does nothing they look even worse for allowing it.

The way I look at it. Let them lie their asses off today. Just as long as we've got the documentation to call them on it in the press. Easily refutable lies only further prove to the American people that the hearing are a whitewash.

[rodeodance]

114. needs one more nomination please

[myrna minx]

116. Done. n/t

[demo dutch]

118. Done

[demo dutch]

115. He lied under oath about the emergency declarations leaving out 3 parishes

[rodeodance]

133. wonder if the media will pick this up?

[rodeodance]

120. that depends on if the press will do its job (not count on it).

Probably not since we're in the minority, but we can certainly do it in the press. Then if the 'Pub leadership still does nothing they look even worse for allowing it.

[demo dutch]

134. I emailed NBC and CNN abou the lies. I think reporters will

cover it though, Cooper, Olberman

[Skidmore]

121. It was my understanding that the Dems, beyond those in

affected states, were not participating in this.

[spuddonna]

125. YAY, Louise!!! Request for an independent investigation!

I LOVE YOU LOUISE!!! :) She's an awesome lady...

ETA: 400,000 petitions from citizens/move-on demanding an independent investigation!

[rodeodance]

128. read # 20 and get this to the press (see if they do anything!!)

[demo dutch]

137. Mailed CNN and MSNBC with link

[rodeodance]

144. good

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

129. The 9/11 Commission was a whitewash! Bush can't appoint the commissioners!

[rodeodance]

141. This hearding will be a whitewash also.

[lpbk2713]

136. I hope someone asks about the Fire & EMT Crews

..... standing around begging for an assignment while they have nothing to do but being shuffled around only for more "hurry up and wait". And then Dubya comes to town and they are used for props in his photo-ops and then told to go back home.

[TankLV]

138. What a totally fucking arrogant prick!

"I think I did a good job"!

Hey , "Al Caopone thought he was a great man and did a good job, too!"

WE can think on our feet, why can't these asswipes?

Oh - right - they're REPUKES!

But I am pleasantly surprised by the questions that the repukes are asking - actually, I'm SHOCKED!

[rodeodance]

142. Fox reported that Mike Browning saying he tried to get Blanco to heed

the request for mandatory evac. that is all they said.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

146. Time for a new thread!

The next one's over here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4901675