WE DONT NEED MSM!!

[titoresque]

We don't!

In a way it's just another bit of fantasy that we've been fed for so long; we now believe that MSM controls public opinion!

Bullshit! Do they control yours?

I'm guilty too, I've said it time and time again...."we need the attention of MSM"

I was wrong....and so are you!

It's a mind fuck, and WE'RE FALLING FOR IT!

On Saturday hundreds of thousands if not millions of people gathered in D.C. and all over the world and the United States to speak out against this bloody war. The stories and pictures and videos are all over the internet and spreading through email, blogs,phone calls, etc. In phoenix 2,000+ people showed up on the corner of 24th st. and Camelback......thousands more drove by and honked, flashed the peace sign. The ones that didnt show any sign of support......and they were few......saw us! Live in person! They didnt need to tune into to the nightly news.
They want us to give up.....that message is loud and clear! But we're not children or animals....they're ignoring us thinking we will give up. This is the only way they will win......and they KNOW IT!

WE ARE THE MEDIA!

The tide is turning with or without the MSM! And maybe instead of emailing these son of a bitches to let them know in essence that "they won" we should email them to let them know that We're WINNING without them!!! And we are.
Let 'em chew on that!

Let's not be discouraged.....THE PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER.......if we didnt, they'd give us some air time now wouldn't they?!

[Skidmore]

1. DU and bloggers have made themselve the research

department for the media outlet. Those damned reporters don't have to really pound pavement anymore. They can go to press conferences and meetings.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. The M$M is making themselves irrelevant

There are too many different ways that people receive information now a days. The M$M is so out of touch, it's like watching a comedy show instead of news. Funny, I have to actually watch a comedy show to get real news. Go figure.

[titoresque]

5. So true!

:hi:

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Indeed

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. We are the media

besides the internet, we can distribute flyers and also, most importantly imho, DVDs that expose the lies and untruths of this Administration. What is needed is a list of good DVDs that we will legally be allowed to reproduce and distribute.

[jus_the_facts]

4. do not pay for cable and satellites or newspapers..magazines..

....cut their profit margins down to nothing...then they'd HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION....quit fattening their bank accounts and siphoning your own. :think:

[titoresque]

7. It's funny in a way

I've never in my life had cable (33 years) until about a month ago. My partner has insisted for years and she finally won the battle. I do like it for the kids, and movies. As for news paper and magazines....nope, I don't get any of those. I agree, we've got to get them in the bank account!

:hi:

[azndndude]

6. see www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com ...explains it all

[TallahasseeGrannie]

8. Sometimes I share your conclusions

but something I get down about it. "We" (as in literate, interested Dems) know where to get the information.

But the rest of the world relies on the MSM. Maybe that will change. I don't know.

But I do know that all those people vote. And it was their votes that gave us GWB.

Sorry to be so down. I need another cup of coffee, I think. I am very disheartened that an event such as the event Saturday did not garner more than one or two minutes of coverage. CNN, FOX and MSNBC are on for 24 hours a day. I can understand needing to cover the hurricane extensively in a 30 minute broadcast. But 24/7? Two or three minutes? They spent 100 times that on their advertising air time.

[titoresque]

11. Well heres where we disagree a bit

I don't think he was elected either term. But that's not the main point. Public opinion has changed....I just can't see where MSM has helped that along. Yes there are really ignorant people in the U.S. and yes Bush could probably bite the head off a chicken on live t.v. and they'd say it was Clintons fault for making chicken so delicious in the 90's. But the way you're feeling right now is exactly the way they want you to feel. Makes us tired and disheartened, makes us wonder what the point is to even do it again. It's what they want.
If we were so irrelevent to public opinion........they'd put us on the tube! They're scared shitless, because they know that the PEOPLE have always had the power....always! And we're waking up, and our numbers are growing in spite of them!

Have some coffee and get into a better spirit, we're gonna need ya for the revolution!
:patriot:

[DaveT]

10. YES!!!

Not only do we not need the Main Stream Media, we absolutely have to understand that we will NEVER get anything but hostility from the Main Steam Media.

The most frustrating thing of all for me is hearing so many voices on the Left pining for the MSN "to do its job." The various "news" platforms that define mainstream acceptable opinion in the USA ARE doing their jobs -- telling us what the government wants us to believe.

The control of the MSN is neither monolithic nor perfectly efficient, and you can find rays of false hope in almost any daily newspaper or non-Fox broadcast. But the occasional "critical" piece on Bush or the neocons has nothing to do with how the MSM defines the Public Consciousness.

Thus in the past few weeks, Time, Newsweek and the LA Times have all printed devasting stories about the incompetence of the Bush Administration -- while ignoring the reality of mass protests matching the numbers of the great demonstrations of the 60s and early 70s. The subtle point coming across is that "the system" is starting to correct itself; poll results and news accounts are letting us know that Bush is on the way down -- so don't do anything on your own.

This is what the television industry was invented to do -- it has been putting you to sleep since the cradle. It is the Great Pacifier. The people who run the TV and cable industries make hundreds of billions of dollars a year by making sure that you have your ass planted in front of the idiot box for most of your life, leaving you just enough other time to "shop."

For far too many Americans, even extreme leftists, politics is just a form of shopping -- making a "choice" from a list of options "given" to you, rather than taking concrete action for yourself.




During the Vietnam War a real counter-culture grew up. There were things called underground radio and underground newspapers -- although this "youth" culture was centered on music, antiwar politics and draft resistance were integral parts of shared consciousness driving the movement.

Personally, I had hoped that the Internet would provide an analogous counter-cultural environment, but it has not worked out that way yet. Even here at DU and all across the debunking blogosphere, you do not find the self confidnent REJECTION of corporate television, cable and print news; nor do you find anything like the shared "phreak" consciousness that permeated the baby boomer generation so thoroughly that even troops in the field became part of the youth counter-culture.

(Eventually the original sex, drugs and rocknroll culture merged with the mainsteam culture and the biggest motivation for the right wing today is an angry reaction to the personal social liberties that were won a generation ago.)

We will never convert the corporate owned media outlets; we will never defeat them on their turf, their airtime, their pages.

We will beat them when we don't listen to them anymore.

[titoresque]

12. This is why I love this place!

You broadened my thoughts about this!

Welcome to DU! :patriot: :hi:

[DaveT]

13. Thanks

I really appreciated your post just above mine as well.

My theory is that television as a cultural artifact has transformed the way people think and live -- making us passive.

Thus the War President gives us a televised image of a Glorious War while cutting taxes and preventing any conceivable hint of sacrifice from cluttering up the show.

The reality of the war has nothing to do with the support it had in the first place, and it is the reality of the war that is finally eating away at the braindead "story" of American righteousness correcting the errors of a sinful world that has finally penetrated the consciousness of 60 percent of the public.

But in both cases, supporting the war going in and in opposing it now, people seem to think that their "support" has meaning -- like a Nielsen Rating Point.

No, in both cases, the three dimensional reality will go its merry way no matter what image you get on TV or what "choice" you make in giving your support.

The MSN ignored the demonstrations because if people got the idea that assembling in huge numbers was a plausible alternative -- it is a short step from there to actually confronting the government with those numbers of warm, human bodies in real time and real space.

Nobody has yet said it any better than Gil Scot-Heron:


The revolution will not be televised. It will be live.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

14. They're becoming irrelevent...

instead of emailing these son of a bitches to let them know in essence that "they won" we should email them to let them know that We're WINNING without them!!! And we are.

Or better yet, simply start ignoring them the same way they've repeatedly ignored us at the behest of their corporate keepers. We have plenty of alternative media now. It's time we help them grow into a powerful force for truth that cannot be dismissed or ignored.