FReeper: there was only 15,000 at anti-war rally

[Zuni]

:eyes:

I was there. I would say 250,000 at least. It was enormous.

Anyone else want to dispute this nonsense from a person obviously nowhere near DC on Sat?

To: softwarecreator
I read 15,000 for the haters. Which seems more like a possibility.

But .. they were expecting 100,000 - and only got 15,000 - I'd say their "movement" isn't going anywhere.



43 posted on 09/25/2005 8:11:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Why not link him to some of the photos of the event?

They would, in my mind, dispute his contention.

[davidinalameda]

2. they're on crack

ignore them

[Mutley]

3. That freeper can keep telling him/herself that

even as a Dem is moving into the Whitehouse in 3 years or less.

[Mutley]

37. This pic probably has 15,000 in it, and it covers less than one block.

[buff2]

4. TO THE FREEPTURDS:

YOUR movement is a BOWEL movement. A PILE OF SHIT!!!!

[Melodybe]

5. We know that they are just pissed that their 20,000 only turned out

to be 55 people.

250,000+, I would say closer to 500,000 though.

Did you get home ok Zuni?

[Zuni]

13. yes, just fine

I tried to find the DU party---I even called progmom, but I could not find any of you folks in the hordes

[Melodybe]

21. That sux! The meet up was much fun!

If had not been for Tamyrlin79, I probably wouldn't have found it myself.

Oh well, next time.

Glad to hear that you got home ok.


THE MARCH COMPLETELY RULED!!!

[Zuni]

31. I went to the DU meetup on Friday night

at the H and D in the Capitol Hill area. Had a lot of fun.

[Maraya1969]

6. I thought they only got a few hundred? And which message boards

is this on?

[genieroze]

7. Freepers can't count over twenty (fingers and toes) and if they

use their teeth it's not over 22.

edited to add
That's 22 total using fingers, toes and teeth.

[buff2]

9. That's a big LOL!

:hi:

[Ladyhawk]

17. Even Gollum has more.

"Yes, but we has only six, my precious." - paraphrased from The Hobbit

Funny...I counted seven in the LOTR movies. :D

[Fovea]

8. I love to hear them do the defeatist propaganda.

Next they will be celebrating the doubling of the chocolate ration.

[VolcanoJen]

10. The anti-Cindy woman on Fox News just said the same thing.

She also said something to the effect of, "I don't know where they get these numbers, 100,000. I don't know where these polls are, people who are against the war. I don't know who they're asking, and I don't believe it."

:eyes:

Oh, and I forgot to add this... the live studio audience broke out into raucous applause when she said that.

Do these people just live life with earplugs and blinders? I mean, WTF?

[bowens43]

26. "I don't believe it"

LOL! this seems to be the Conservative mantra.

The war in Iraq is going badly.
"I don't believe it"

Bin Laden hasn't been captured.
"I don't believe it"

Global warming is a threat to our planet.
"I don't believe it"

Bushes poll numbers are the lowest of any president at this point in his presidency
"I don't believe it"

We evolved from a common ancestor.
"I don't believe it"

Red states are poorer then blue states
"I don't believe it"

Red states have a higher teen pregnancy rates then blue states.
"I don't believe it"

The elections in Florida and Ohio were rigged.
"I don't believe it"

[YouthInAsia]

45. STEP....AWAY.....FROM THE TV! Slowly, slowy.....back up. Good

Now sit down. Are you feeling ok?? You look a little green. Breathe deeply good good. Alright you look a little better. Now TURN OFF FAUX NEWS!!!!!! Did you turn it off? Good. Now breathe again. Put your head between your knees. Ok, you look better. Now, I dont want to have to come back over again today. Understand?? I'm serious. No more Fox News for you. Next time I have to come over here, we're ALL going for a little ride downtown. Got it?? Good.

[VolcanoJen]

50. lmao

I turned it off as soon as they stopped talking about the war, the protest and Cindy Sheehan.

Their next topic of conversation? Natalee Holloway.

:-)

Thanks, Youth. I needed that. :-)

[lapfog_1]

11. I did a calculation

based on the photo of the event and google planimeter. I measured
the area covered by the sea of people and found that it was almost
11 acres in size. I did not account for people trailing down
constitution avenue. Using even conservative numbers for the space
occupied by an individual, it's still comes out to 235,000.

[Zuni]

15. it was packed solid much of the way

I say 250,000 at least

[lapfog_1]

35. Could be... depends on how much room between people

people don't mind standing next to each other, often using less than
1 foot of "linear" space, but they do have issues with people
standing right in front of them (too close here and you feel
"trapped"). So it is natural to leave more than a foot or more.
I used 2 sq ft per person, but it could be as much as 3 sq feet.
The rest of the calculations are explained here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4892697&mesg_id=4892697

but I also didn't take into account the people crowded down
constitution avenue.

I think an estimate of 200,000 is not far off, and it could be as
much as 250,000. Certainly more than 100,000.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Don't forget people came and left too I'm sure

[Democrats_win]

12. Our "movement" isn't going anyware. Its staying in bush's face.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

14. When faced with facts..make up your own

is the mantra of most totalitarian regimes. GOP excels at this. They cannot stand facts that dispute them so they make up their own or 'edit' them out like in the Global Warming reports.

[Toots]

57. You do know of course that 64.5% of all stats are made up on the spot

:silly:

[brainshrub]

16. Have the coward visit the pics from my site.

Pictures are here:

http://www.brainshrub.com/adventures/dcpeacemarch2005

While I don't have an aerial photo, it does show the scope of the crowd. As an added bonus, the Freeper will get to read the comments next to the pictures, such as:

It isn't that Americans are less patriotic today, it's just that the Iraqi War isn't worth personal sacrifice, unless you are working to END the conflict.

This is why the Peace Marches are so huge, and the pro-war marches only get a few dozen people.

IMHO, the Freeper knows there were more than 15,000 people. By denying that such a crowd existed, he is bullying you. I wouldn't dignify his claims with an answer.

The way cowardly conservatives like to fight is by muddying the waters with lies. Rather than tackle the implications of 150,000+ people in DC marching for peace, they prefer to quibble about something they know is false... just to make you mad.

Ignore them. Conservatism is destined for the dust-bin of history. Within 10 years, todays Republicans will be ashamed to admit who they voted and supported in 2000 and 2004... in much the way older Germans are ashamed of supporting the fascists.

[Zuni]

23. great quote

the reason most Americans don't go to pro-war rallies is because they only accepted Iraq as a nessecity (WMDs, Al-Q), something the majority now rejects in the face of revelation after revelation about Bush's duplicity

Very few actually celebrated and wished for a new war and very few are going to go to a rally to cheer more of it

[ET Awful]

18. Well, Freepers expected 20,000 and got 400, sooooo

Even we were to humor them and say there were only 15,000 of us . . . guess what Freepazoids, that means you had 2% of your projected attendance, and we had 15%.

Of course we all know the 15,000 number is off by a factor of 20, but regardless, even using their bullshit number, we would have exceeded their ration of estimated to actual attendance by a factor of more than 7.

So shove that in your crack-pipe and smoke it Freeper.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. There are a few more then that in this one picture

There were people as far as I could see down the street in the middle and the street to the left had just as many, plus the Ellipse was full because the March hadn't started yet.

There was an easy 300,000.


edit: see below

[Zuni]

it is the "ellipse"

not the "eclipse"

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. Oops

my hands and my brain don't always connect.

Thanks.

[Zuni]

32. sorry, I hate correcting people

especially on trivial shit

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. Oh no

please do. I hate to misstate something.

Thanks.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Amazing pic!!

[fasttense]

20. Faith based counting, keeps them from being able to see real numbers

just imaginary numbers (if they knew what they were).

[Raster]

22. if you can't stand reality, make up your own.

By ALL accounts, even those that always underreport, at least 100,000 were in attendance. Most others put the total in DC between 300,000 to 500,000.

"..."movement" isn't going anywhere..."? Surely, you jest. Not only is the "movement" going somewhere, it's already arrived, bought property, raising kids and now running for city council. Welcome to reality.

[lakeguy]

24. just send their funny "math" right back at them

if there were only 15k anti-war, there were only 10 pro death.

~150k (low count for sure)/10=15k

100/10=10

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. So let's find some aerial pix and disprove them. n/t

[louis-t]

43. Aerial photos have been posted here.

Shouldn't be hard to find.

[sui generis]

I thought the haters were only about 400

there the freepers go again trying to pump up their numbers.

Poor wittle babies.

There is only ONE thing you can do when you run into a freeper. Laugh in his face. Here is someone who is not really persecuted but who acts like he is persecuted by everyone. Here is someone who can't use congenital brain deformity as a reason for being butt damn stupid - they choose to be. Here is someone who is mean to the bone, who would drive past you dying in the desert in his Hummer, get out, get a some water out of the truck, take a swig, and spit on your back.

Laugh at them, they deserve it, and they hate being laughed at more than anything in the entire world. More than anything they want to be powerful, to feel powerful and important, so just laugh at them. They really deserve it.

[Zuni]

29. I heard that 400 is way more than they actually got

Jimmy Jazz said she saw the rally and there were maybe 100-150 at most

[HughBeaumont]

36. On Saturday, the Freeptards had, AT BEST, 127 people.

I was in their area on the street. Wait until you see the photo I took from the SIDE (as in looking down PA ave) prior to the confrontation. They all piled to the fence and the rest of the sidewalk was BARE as a baby's bottom. It is to laugh. And I did. Long and Loud. At them.

[Zuni]

41. I am talking about their "Big" Sunday Rally

"You Don't Speak For Me Cindy" rally, featuring pyscho wingnut Deborah Johns frothing at the mouth while denouncing, repeatedly, Cindy Sheehan and advocating sending all the protestors to Iran :eyes:

[Melodybe]

39. Their was only about 40-50 in front of the FBI building

Fucking chickenshits had to be right in front of the FBI building AND protected by about 80 cops.

Ha Ha Ha

[Zuni]

46. The funniest part

is that they feel by yelling at protestors, they are helping the troops in Iraq.

I do not see how

[HughBeaumont]

27. ShitwearMasticator - WAKE UP!!!!

Two of my photos ALONE have over 50,000 in the shots. And that was from a STREET perspective.

You're shit. You bitches are DONE. America has spoken and it has routed your punk arses. RimJob and the Funky Bunch was less than a gas passing in front of the Queen Edna Tolson building. Take your King Kong Bundy-looking, American-Flag-on-your-face war cheerleaders over to Iraq to spread some of that Freedumb.

[deutsey]

28. How can you argue with such a delusional twit?

You can't present them with facts or your own first-hand experience.

They're like Holocaust deniers (probably ARE Holocaust deniers): you can present them with mountains of facts and photographs and they'll just say the facts are lies and the photos have been doctored.

[Zuni]

34. I know what I saw

and it was easily several hundred K people

I have never seen a crowd so large

[deutsey]

55. Oh yeah? Well, prove it.

:sarcasm:

The march in DC was by far one of the largest protests I've been in. New York in February 2003 was probably the largest (500,000, I think) and the one in DC last Saturday was a close second for me.

[Old and In the Way]

33. If they can't accept indisputable proof of attendence that is

documented in a variety of ways, then they wil never accept the truth about anything. Their programming is complete and irreversible. Their challenging of reality hurts their veracity on all other issues. If they will openingly lie about uncontestable facts, then their opinions on everything else are suspect. They lose.

[YouthInAsia]

38. I was there too. I said 300,000 when I was standing in the march line

waiting for it to actually MOVE. It took FOUR HOURS for the entire march to pass the white house. It was 22 blocks long, pack chest to chest, shoulder to shoulder. It was crazy! It was beautiful.

[HughBeaumont]

40. Meanwhile, the Protest Whorriors praised themselves . ..

for having 20 YOUNG kooks (read: Chickens for Colonel Sanders) with RW slogans "leading" the march.

Then came the several MILES of our crowd.

[Zuni]

42. I saw two depressed looking, pathetic Protest warriors

hanging their heads on the sidewalk as the march passed them, their "Shut the Hell Up France" and other overused signs sitting at their feet

[ComerPerro]

44. I'd like to see the FReepers even get 1,500.

[Zuni]

49. even 500

would be a minor miracle for one of their lame "pro-troop" (read: Pro-death) rallies

[sakabatou]

51. So they even think Hannity is wrong

:evilgrin:

[EstimatedProphet]

52. 15,000 is laughable, just like Free Republic

That number could only come from someone who wasn't there which means it's wrong from the start. If you weren't there you can say anything and it's equally accurate, because you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about freeper.
The Ellipse was wall-to-wall people, with a ton of people visible around the monument.
We saw people in Tenleytown!
We saw people in south Alexandria! there were people wandering all over the city afterwards, and that doesn't happen with 15,000 people!
On edit: by the way freeper, we're nnot the haters. You are. You're the racists and fascists, you say so openly.

[zbdent]

54. Freeper counting reminds me of a story of nine brothers who went fishing

and their boat capsized.

After making it to shore, one counted his brothers and came up with only 8. Each brother, in disbelief, also repeated the count of his brothers and came up with 8.

As they sat there wailing, lamenting their lost brother, a small child came up to them. After being told of their lost brother, the child took them by the hand and counted them off, thereby showing them that they did not lose one brother, that, in fact, there were nine there.

They all suddenly were rejoicing . . .

[devilgrrl]

56. Where did the Freeper see the 15 thou? Utica, NY?

:sarcasm:

They always make shit up - truth means nothing to them.