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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:14 PM
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Feingold was a hero when he voted against the Patriot Act,
a villain when he voted for Condi, a hero when he suggested a timetable for getting out of Iraq, and now a villain again for his vote for Roberts.

"But the cat came back the very next day,
The cat came back, we thought he was a goner
But the cat came back; it just couldn't stay away..."
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:17 PM
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1. Feingold should ditch expediency and grow some PRINCIPLES!
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 04:33 PM by dicksteele
Edit because I forgot THIS: :sarcasm:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:19 PM
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3. I do hope that was sarcastic.
You find a more principled senator. I dare you.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:22 PM
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5. Double dog dare
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 04:24 PM by LittleClarkie
A-yep. He's a maverick. He marches to his own tune. Which means sometimes he follows his own beat and not even the parties.

Expedient would have been a vote AGAINST Roberts, not for. Expedient would have been a vote AGAINST Ashcroft as well, at least as far as the liberals and progressives in his party would be concerned.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:32 PM
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8. Sorry, I forget the sarcasm smiley sometimes!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:19 PM
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2. The problem is that Feingold
is an independent, and people here want him to be a lockstep Democrat.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:44 PM
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14. Feingold, Boxer, DK .....and of course
Wellstone all have integrity and vote the way we like but most of OUR leaders marches lock step with the DLC and they like being wealthy, Feingold doesn't care that he isn't.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:20 PM
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4. The heroes and villains around here change like Minnesota weather
It is really hard to keep up.
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LizMoonstar Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:40 PM
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13. all too true.
it breaks my heart some days that nothing and no one is ever good enough for people around here.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:37 PM
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18. Me too
Like any of us is perfect.
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:31 PM
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6. The problem is simply that he's too trusting of people.
If you listened to him during his ending statement on Roberts, you'd realize just how much of his decision was done on a personal basis.

It's not any of this 'party lines' bullshit, because honestly most of us here are outside the Democratic party lines as the big shots see it. =P
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:33 PM
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9. Definitely not a party line guy
Whatever he based his decision on, it wasn't necessarily politics. The Pat vote should have proved that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:32 PM
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7. Don't forget he voted for Ashcroft too
Sorry, I'm sick of this "Feingold's shit doesn't stink let's make him president" crap.

I've gotten more crap about my senator Joe Biden about anything and everything and yet Joe has voted against the radical Bush nominees AND stuck with all the filibusters against radical judges.

Btw, personally I don't want Biden as president either but I'm just saying!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:37 PM
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11. I don't see that phrase anywhere in my post
I'm not saying his shit doesn't stink. And I'm not saying let's make him president (I'm a Kerrycrat, actually). But I'm sick of the vote rollercoaster. He's up, he's down, he's up, he's down. He'll be up again, I'm sure.

And when Joe is a good boy, as with Roberts, Joe gets a cookie. At least from me, anyway. And when he's a glory hound, he doesn't get a cookie.

I am alittle partial however, as he is my Senator, and he shares the bumper of my car with ol' Johnny.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:40 PM
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12. I'm not saying you in particular are saying this stuff
I'm just saying that over the years I've been hearing it about Feingold but when we needed his vote we didn't get it. I say it's time to get him off the judiciary committee and get someone on there that will stick with the democrats when it comes to radical appointees
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zapp Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:35 PM
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10. The problem with most dems in the congress is that they have no balls!
Russ is ok, but the reality is that we are not fighting the GOP like they fought us! They were united in opposition to Dem actions. We have to be united in oppostition to them!
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:49 PM
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15. It's not that simple
I had a good deal of respect for Feingold because of previous principled stands. I never made him a "hero", though.

But I do draw the line, a deep, hard line, when it comes to lifetime appointments to the SCOTUS, especially as Chief Justice. There is no excuse to me for this, I don't want to hear any bullshit about "strategy" either. A vote on an Act that can be overturned, a Cabinet position that will eventually be vacated, these things aren't in the same league. Not to me. I won't forgive or forget anyone, even those I have had respect for, that votes for this POS.


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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 04:52 PM
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16. Feingold's vote for Condi, Roberts, and Ashcroft are all on principles
He believes that the President should have the right to nominate the people he wants for the job.

I really like Feingold and support him in 08, but I do not agree with him on that. I think after the failure of Brown and FEMA you should be a little harder on the nominees and if you believe that the President should have the right to nominate the people they want for the job then Feingold should have called Kerry or Gore and asked them.

You do have to repsect him for being a principled leader, though. I would compare this aspect of Feingold to Bu$h himself. Bu$h said that you might not agree with his policies, but at least you know where he stands on the issue. The same could be said for Feingold, but I usually agree with him on the issues.


http://www.russforpresident.com/
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 05:07 PM
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17. I will not vote nor work for Feingold again. Period.
The thing that makes me the angriest is his "principled" stance that the Resident has privilege on his nominations. I call Bullshit!!

Does Feingold think that Bush actually "won" in 2000 or 2004? If he does, he is stupid beyond belief. If he knows Bush didn't "win" and still defers to the office, then he is betraying The People. Phooie!
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