Izzy Asper Dies --- Like I care

[HEyHEY]

Seriously, I am going to come of as really disrespectful here...and I'm sorry to those it offends. But this guy was an SOB. He owned many newspapers in Canada and often stuck his nose in when it came to covering the daily news. Editors have been fired for writing colums that show empathy towards Palestine. He has forbidden certain news events to be covered, and has taken journalism and turned it into one big marketing entity. All the while giving the "You don't like it read something else" line. Fuck him...no I won't show respect for a man who spent his life trying to control my brain. Look at the huge article his family had the paper put in to make him look like a big man.

http://www.canada.com/national/features/asper/index.html

[Maple]

1. Well you should

Because whether you agreed with him or not is irrelevant.

If you didn't like his newspaper...there are plenty of others to read.

He was a poor boy from a tiny town in Manitoba, born in the dirty thirties, his family fled pogroms in the Ukraine, and he went on to build an empire. Not too shabby.

He became the equal, even the superior, of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths and having all the advantages.

When you manage to do better than that...then you can criticize.

[HEyHEY]

5. Yeah well HItler was born dirt poor too

[Maple]

8. Oh well...that's an answer to everything eh?

You didn't have to read his newspaper...free country ya know.

And if you think it's so easy to go from poverty to empire...YOU do it.

[HEyHEY]

13. Trust me I'm trying!

;-) But I fail to see how going from poor to rich makes you such a great person ...Jim Pattison was born poor and he's the biggest asshole around

[Maple]

17. Well see it takes more than mouth

and an 'oh yeah' attitude.

It takes work and sweat and sacrifice.

His family fled a pogrom in the Ukraine...do you know what a pogrom is?

He grew up in the 30's and 40's in Manitoba...do you know what that meant? Do you know how hard that would have been??

Of course he supported Israel...not a crime you know.

I don't agree with their policies...but then I'm not Jewish.

But until you can do better...'no comment' is better than uninformed opinions, no matter how 'hip' and 'rad' you think they are.

[HEyHEY]

19. WHOA MAN DON'T BE SO HARSH DUDE!

I don't talk like that thank you.

ANd I am not a mouth and I don't have an attitude...I have a difference of opinion.

[Maple]

21. Harsh? This from a guy

who posts a thread to trash someone he never met, and to diss him on the day he died??

[HEyHEY]

23. Hey, I became offended by the "Hey Izzy is a good guy" crap I heard all

day... Besides this man never repsected the people's right to properly reported news...if this was england, where there are forty papers to choose from, fine...but it's not and I object to papers that try to meet the North American ideal of an omnicient press on the wrapper only. It makes uus all look foolish

[Maple]

28. Oh well stop the presses

YOU got offended!

Why? Jealous?

He earned what he had.

Try doing the same.

[HEyHEY]

30. Maple...I haven;t said a thing about being bitter about his money

I don't care about that. My problem is his attempted hi-jacking of the news.

[Maple]

33. Then stop calling him an SOB

He highjacked nothing.

We have lots of media info available in Canada. And several networks.

He was simply ONE of them.

And if it was his paper...it was his paper.

He earned it....he ran it his way.

He didn't ask for your approval.

[Julien Sorel]

36. Gee, the same could be said of lots of tyrants I can think of.

Do I forfeit my right to criticize them until I have accomplishments to equal theirs? Arnold came from a relatively modest background, but look at him now. Do I have your permission to criticize Arnold, or must I outdo him first?

[Flying_Pig]

2. He was a piece of crap. While in Canada, I saw how his papers ..

molded the news. He was Canada's Rupert Murdoch. Would anyone here shed a tear of Rupert's demise? Izzy was a PNAC style fascist, who used his media empire to try and control Canada. Fortunately, he failed, and now he's gone, but Canada is still there!

[Maple]

4. No he was not

Conrad Black is our Rupert Murdoch.

Izzy was a liberal. And a Liberal. Sorry.

[HEyHEY]

6. A liberal that forbids

Anyone wright anything pro palestine?

[Maple]

No he did not

and he was the leader of the Liberal party of Manitoba at one time.

His sons have run the empire for some years now. Izzy was 71.

[HEyHEY]

11. Sorry you're right he fired Russel mills for writing an editorial

Demanding Chretien resigns...mixed up there...BUT he DOES not allow any pro palestine articles written.

[Sephirstein]

15. Big deal...

You can be a reactionary bigot and still be a Liberal...

Hell, Saskatchewan is FILLED with people I call redneck socialists. (Reactionaries who vote NDP because they like the welfare state.)

[Spazito]

10. When owners of newspapers put a choke hold on editorials...

they are NOT liberal, imo. I dislike what Asper did re CanWest and found the coverage there to be slanted right.

[Maple]

14. So don't read them

Simple solution.

It's not like it's the only paper available.

[Spazito]

16. I see, we can't point out a problem, we are supposed to..

just "move on"? I don't think so! Any, and I mean any, newpaper or tv news in Canada, even CanWest is heads above any of the mainstream coverage in the US. That does not mean I can't point out what is wrong with it, geesh.

edited: to change it to is in "CanWest is"

[Maple]

18. It's not a problem. Read something else.

Everyone in the world isn't required to agree with you ya know.

[HEyHEY]

20. I think the problem is there ISN'T anything else

Canada doesn't have enough independant media...and no, I don't mean little rags about the latest in communist fashion. I mean good dailes that don't plug the six o clock news hour because it's owned by the same company

[Maple]

22. Yeah, there are all kinds of papers here

owned by different groups.

And TV from all over the world.

Radio...internet.

Canada is a very well connected country, and very well informed.

I thot you wanted to be a journalist?

Better start finding out about this stuff.

[HEyHEY]

26. I know this all...cause I've experienced it first hand

THAT's WHERE MY INSIGHT COMES FROM: YOURS?

[Maple]

34. I was in journalism

before you were born.

[Sephirstein]

24. lol...You're a spoiled brat...

Even the CBC is far more independent than any of the "private" media companies in the US.

[HEyHEY]

27. Not 100 per cent

They are the best of state run media...but still manage to slant

[Spazito]

29. If it had been up to Izzy, I wouldn't have any other choices.....

he did his best to try and destroy CBC and I have no doubt his son will continue on that disgusting track!

[Maple]

LOL They can't wipe out

the CBC, nor did they try.

[Spazito]

32. He most certainly did!

He fought to do away with ALL public funding in the media! His target was the CBC and he made that VERY clear.

[Maple]

35. So do lots of people

The CBC is still around.

Would you work to build a TV network against the competition of state owned one...with deep govt pockets?

Well he did.

So he complained. Big deal.

[Maddy McCall]

3. Off topic: HeyHey, are you aware

that the image in your sig line is casting out info-seeking cookies?

Just wondering.

[HEyHEY]

7. Didn't know thanks!

[Maddy McCall]

12. You're quite welcome...sorry to temporarily hijack your thread :-) n/t

[Wonk]

9. He was brutally honest about the news biz, though. I'll give him that.

When talking to staff he's been quoted as saying "Your job is to sell soap and pantyhose, not make high art."

[Maple]

25. Yeah, he had no illusions

He knew that what he was selling would be birdcage liner the next day.

[HEyHEY]

31. ANyway off to dinner

Fun as Always Maple!

[Maple]

37. Ciao babes

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