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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:36 PM
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Over 150 presidentially declared disasters???
I consider myself to be a person who keeps up with current events. But where in these United States has there been 150 presidentially declared disasters?

Surely, it's not the campfire in boonie hills, MT that was left unattended? Or the rising of a small river by a few inches in who cares where, Arkansas?

How could I have missed 150 disasters in the last few years since brownie-nosed miky's been in charge of fema?

Can someone help me out with this?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:37 PM
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1. Well, how many cronies has Bush appointed? n/t
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:38 PM
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2. Sure I can help ..
..... it was called a lie. Either of omission or commission.

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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:39 PM
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3. I can think of hurricane rummy, Tsunami Cheney, tornado condi,
landslide Brown, earthquake McClellan, diarrhea outbreak Frist...
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:39 PM
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4. I wonder too
Could it be Brown is lying?.....

again.....

like on his resume?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:39 PM
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5. I heard him say that live and am still scratching my head
Surely someone will call him on it.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:28 PM
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21. What an idiot
to tell a big stinky whopper in front of congress on national TV.

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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:40 PM
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6. Yeah that's one for every buddy * appointed to a life or death position.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:40 PM
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7. I wondered about that too....
I'd really like to see a list....
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:41 PM
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8. I thought that was INSANE along with slander of Blanco
Is this guy losing his fucking mind?

There's no good explanation for his completely inane & insane testimony today. No wonder the Republicans were ripping him a new one as well - he's just not believable.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:43 PM
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9. counting snowstorms, fires in the west, tonadoes, etc, it could easily be
150 in two years.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:47 PM
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13. I suppose - still seems like he was exaggerating his role
I guess if every little hangnail the country has gets called a Presidential disaster declaration then it may be technically true. I'm sure he did squat in 90% of those events. Clearly he had no idea what to do during a real emergency - except panic.
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:55 PM
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17. He mentioned Oklahoma City ...

Someone he knew died in the Oklahoma City bombing. So apparently the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana have no right to lecture him on tragedy and loss.

I think Al Franken looked into all the "disasters". Most of the inflation can be accounted to declarations of a disaster from one county to the next. So Florida's last hurricane would be 27 or so disasters. Than you have snowstorms and thunderstorms.

Exactly what makes him think that he is more qualified for the job of FEMA director than virtually ANY fire chief in the US is beyond me.


By the way, I would like to point out something to Brownie. FEMA stands for Federal EMERGENY Management Agency. That means that the work is kind of "urgent" by definition and you can't sit around on your ass waiting for the locals to "get their act together".



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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:00 PM
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19. I like the highlight Federal Emergency MANAGEMENT Agency
Clearly they are there to MANAGE emergencies. So, not only is it URGENT as you describe, but they are there to MANAGE the situation. That means NOT, I repeat NOT blaming other people for management issues - that's the agencies JOB DAMN IT!!!

He's just a total and complete failure of the worst most whining kind.

He'll go down in history as one of the biggest personal failures in this countries history.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:48 PM
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15. tornadoes get denied
sorry friend, you're thinking of the old clintonian FEMA

ask the good folk in wisconsin if a tornado disaster will buy you a federal emergency disaster declaration in year of our lord 2005, you're going to get a loud horse laugh by way of reply

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:58 PM
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18. Well, here's the site...
http://www.fema.gov/library/drcys.shtm

I did a little surfing and there were no major disasters before Katrina. Most of it was pencil pushing paperwork and some delegating to some guy named Russo. I only hit a few out of all of it.

There was tornadoes, ice storms, snow, etc. Most of it wasn't even a blip on the radar.

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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:50 PM
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16. He's FREDO mixed with Lee Harvey ...

Brownie is a fucking stooge idiot. He's still spouting the party line, he doesn't realize that his "friends" are hanging him out to dry.

This guy was fed GOP talking points. And one of the things they told him to say 100% PURGERY (When he said Blanco hadn't declared New Orleans a disaster area)!!!! By the time Fredo Brown figures out what has happened the Bush administration will have him 100% by the balls.

Will the press have the balls to put people on discounting this ass-hats testimony. Or are we truly living in a society where such bald face OBVIOUS lies can be swept under the rug and history re-written by someone of so little skill and wit as Mike Brown???


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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:44 PM
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10. it's a lie
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 10:46 PM by pitohui
i can tell you for a fact that in 2003 FEMA refused to recognize Tropical Storm Bill and Tropical Storm Claudette as federal disasters despite pleas from the affected areas

i'm sure there are many other examples

Charley, Frances, Jeanne, and Ivan WERE disasters, that makes all of ... four

and there was the memphis ice storm but i'm not sure they were able to get their declaration, if they did get it, that's...all of...five\

oops on edit, i'm reminded by the other poster that they did burn down san diego county in 2003, so that makes six! the poster is mistaken if he thinks every snowstorm gets federal recognition, he's living back in the clinton years

brownie's lying under oath, a federal offense

martha stewart & howard fast went to prison for less



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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:46 PM
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11. Because each state declares it separately,
so something like Katrina actually has around the order of 30 or so declared disasters, including Maine, Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, and many others, simply because they received refugees.

So, he's speaking the truth,while at the same time lying through his goddamn incompetent teeth.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:46 PM
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12. Do they count each state separately?
Katrina emergency declared in bulk of U.S.

NANCY BENAC
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The dire conditions created by Hurricane Katrina may be confined to the Gulf Coast, but on paper the emergency is all over the country.

President Bush has declared that Katrina-related emergencies exist in 40 states and the District of Columbia. Some, such as California, Massachusetts and North Dakota, are far removed from Katrina's wrath.

Other states, most notably Texas, are looking after thousands of evacuees, putting a severe burden on local services.

Apparently it does not take much to qualify as an emergency.

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/12654840.htm
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 10:47 PM
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14. Alternative punchline:
150 presidential disasters....

...Is that how many days we're into Bush's Second term?
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thecodewarrior Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:20 PM
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20. He'll just say
Oh' I mispoke again. I was talking about the day before, or 36 hours in advance, its there fault, I'm hence pigeon mad at them.

Could you imagine this idiot at the helm of 911?

Brownie: We didn't know the towers were hit until 9/16, then we scrambed jets which never came because the governor.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:31 PM
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22. He was nothing but a glorified administrative assistant.
An overpriced one at that. He hasn't presided over anything. He's just a governmental welfare king.

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:38 AM
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23. AS an aside, what was absolutely hilarious and pathetic was when Brownie
started whining at one point after being chastised. He said something like, " You just come over here and sit in this chair and then you tell me what it feels like to be told you didn't do your job!"

For me, it was absolutely hilarious, pathetic and infuriating all at the same time.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:47 AM
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24. Me thinks he doeth protest too much (if I might paraphrase.)
Al Frankin has been through this BS several times. He counts one snowstorm that hit 4 states as 4 disasters. If it lasted 4 days, now 16 disasters. This guys is a bullshitter.

Anybody that would sit and say to anybody (in a bar or a congressional committee) that he is did a great job and that he knows what to do, is suspect about anything he might say.

We've all met guys like this. Usually we just have another beer and say, "Sure that sounds good...could I have my tab?"

But this guy was in charge of FEMA for chrissake. And he is such a syncophant he won't be fired.

Disgusting.




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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:42 AM
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25. 148 of them were *'s inability
to induce or sustain an erection a rational thought.
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