Harold Ford shilling for DeLay on MSNBC

[JohnnyCougar]

Saying he is inocent until proven guilty and such. He, as a Democrat, was touting the Republican talking points. This proves that the DLC and the Republican party are one and the same.

[Snotcicles]

1. I use to like Harold Ford ____ man what was I thinking. n/t

[marbuc]

2. He IS innocent until proven guilty, what else would you expect him to say?

It's bad form for party leaders to pile on at this point. I'll need further evidence before I start criticizing a Dem for "shilling for Delay." Did he say anything like "I have spoken to Tom, and am certain he has done nothing wrong"? No?

[Mz Pip]

3. Agree

Leave the glee to people like me, who doesn't have a public persona to maintain.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[MisterP]

7. how is actively standing up to defend a crook "maintaining persona"

if ASKED, he could have responded with "innocent until proven," (if at all) but he's VOLUNTEERING this defense.
That's the OP's sticking point

[tx_dem41]

11. From the OP, I can't tell that he was or wasn't asked.

I'm assuming if he was on TV, he was asked. I don't see it as defending a crook. I see it as defending our judicial system.

[Mz Pip]

That hardly defending him

It's pointing out the obvious. That's kind of leap to make him a shill for DeLay.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[JohnnyCougar]

33. Well, it just so happens to be a Republican talking point, too.

He was also talking about stopping partisan attacks in Congress. Not necesarily putting the hear on DeLay.

Listen, Ford knows how corrupt this bastard is, and all he has to say is "Innocent until proven guilty." Come on.

[underpants]

4. Exactly and the longer is stays around the better

will their be daily updates on Delay? I sure hope so.

[Webster Green]

8. Bad form?....What will "good form" gain us against repukes?

Not a fucking thing!

I like Nancy Pelosi's form, and Howard Dean's as well.

Attack the repukes for their endless corruption.

We have nothing to gain by being nice.

[never_get_over_it]

17. A-freaking-Men - eom

[BuyingThyme]

12. Too many Americans fall for that INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY nonsense.

The accused are only innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Outside of the court, it is the People's prerogative, if not the People's responsibility, to come to our own conclusions.

Call it freedom.

[H2O Man]

25. Exactly.

That is the key point.

I don't find fault with Ford saying it in the context he did. At this time, in terms of being a member of the House, Ford can't call for him to be sent packing.

But in general terms, "innocent until proven guilty" is very misunderstood. Tom Delay is guilty as sin.

[tnlefty]

18. How about "no comment" ? How about saying nothing at all that

could even smack at defending him? Kinda like when he says things like,"I love George Bush."

[buff2]

24. He should just STFU

It wouldn't hurt a damn thing if he would keep is damn trap shut.

[brettdale]

5. I see the Spin has started already

The Prosecutor has been getting ripped into, being called a Fanatic.

This is probably just a tatic to scare off Fitzgerald with his investigation.

[bluedog]

6. the jury did

well 12 people thought he was guilty and involved in this or else this indictment would not have been brought forth!

[tx_dem41]

9. You don't understand the grand jury system, do you?

No one has found him guilty. Thirty (30) people have found that there is enough evidence for an indictment to be issued.

[bluedog]

10. okay excuse me

30 people thought he was involved and that there was enough evidence against him to be charged.right?

[tx_dem41]

14. They don't judge guilt or innocence. Only that the evidence is sufficient

for a trial to take place. That is their charge. They are not judging whether the evidence makes him guilty or not.

[Politicub]

13. Ehw! Nasty

Harold just needs to STFU.

[mitchtv]

15. Harold has

Joementum

[never_get_over_it]

21. Is that Joementum

as in holy joe lieberman

if so good one

Here Ford is in front of the MSM and he has a chance to question the ethics of the repunks - and get some Dem talking points across and he doesn't do it - probbly why he was the guest....

[BuyingThyme]

16. I gave up on Ford when I heard him talk about his INSANE

plan for Social Security.

[oasis]

19. The corporate media is trying so hard to get a leading Democrat to say

the wrong thing concerning Delay. After that, the "offending" Democrat becomes the story.

[Seansky]

20. CYA, maybe?

[CatBoreal]

22. Dear Gods....

I thought I read HaRRISON Ford...

http://www.movieup.it/Autografi/ford,%20harrison.jpg

[ElectroPrincess]

23. He has no shame ... he tried for Pelosi's position ...

Saying that Nancy Pelosi was *too liberal* to be the minority leader.

IMO Harold Ford's too REPUBLICAN to remain as a Democratic Representative in Our House. :P

[QC]

26. He's a witch! Burn him! Burn him!! n/t

[tx_dem41]

27. You crack me up.

Thanks for the chuckle. I see a trend starting. :)

[QC]

30. Yes, it's a very familiar trend, isn't it. n/t

[BootinUp]

28. This proves that Rep. Ford

knows the constitution... :eyes:

[JohnnyCougar]

34. Obviously, this goes beyond that.

This is the critical period where the population is judging whether this case is BS or whether it has merit. I guaruntee you most of the population has never heard of this story until today. Ford knows for sure that DeLay is crooked. Yet he gives the impression that "Who knows if he is corrupt...it hasn't been proven yet."

That is complete BS. The public is formulating their opinions NOW on this issue, and that is the best he can do?

[BootinUp]

35. I mean about the specific charge in question

There's plenty of places for people to get their speculation on this charge, Ford's statement of fact isn't going to change that. I do think he should discuss Delay's and the repug leaders various ethics problems quite forcefully.

No reason he needs to say whether he thinks Delay will ultimately be found guilty or not on this specific charge unless he wants to. There is plenty of other material to work with.

So I join you in disgust if Ford is failing to raise the overall question of ethics in the republican leadership. I didn't see the interview.

[incapsulated]

29. Just another reason for me to hate him

I puke on Ford and have for quite some time, heh.

:puke:

[jaysunb]

31. As a Black man, he makes me very ashame.

He's right up there w/ Clarence, Condi and Colin now.
I used to really like this young man and his Dad, but they've proven to be nothing more than opportunist. :evilfrown:

[ElectroPrincess]

32. We appreciate the honesty jaysunb

For it is much better than thuggish :sarcasm:

But whatever floats the DLC boat is what some may resort to. ;)

[wanpete]

36. I saw him and was very, very disappointed. What repug would do this

for a dem in trouble?

[johnaries]

37. Screw Ford. Kurita for Senator!

http://www.kurita2006.com/