How do you feel at this point? (vent here, but keep it legal)

[candy331]

[whirlygigspin]

1. I think this is great news for Howard Dean

It shows that people are fed up with the status quo
and proves that the traditional camps can be beaten,
and beaten badly, in 2004.

hee heeeeeee!

[even]

20. Oh really?

Which democrat got elected? Dean is a poor excuse for a human being.

[Name removed]

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[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. Here:

Austria is the "Septic Tank" of Europe!

[Marlie]

13. How do I feel?

Shocked and very angry at the stupidity of so many of my fellow
Americans. This is the beginning of the end - the Bushies will
blatantly continue on their path of destruction, reinforced by the
knowledge the majority of Americans are willing to accept their
lies, wars, poverty, etc. without question.

My only hope is the coming election incumbents will lose. I've
been disappointed so much the past years, right now I'm anything but
optimistic about the future. I'm sick and tired of writing and calling
anyone who will listen. It's starting to get old.

[saline]

3. I already said...

It's not over, the amount for recall is going down as the precincts come in. I'm waiting for the certification, I have not, I will not, I cannot give up there is no other option. For tonight I'm changing my sig, we're bringing out the Churchill "We will never surrender!"

[last_texas_dem]

9. I agree

I may collapse from exhaustion sitting here watching these results tonight, but after Florida 2000 I don't trust any polls or projections- real vote counts are it! (Of course, the issue of whether the votes ARE all being counted is another one entirely...)

[mreilly]

4. Tired...

... tired of the media deciding so-and-so WILL win the election.

... tired of the dummies out there too stupid to think properly before exercising their right to vote, who insist on picking candidates thorougly unqualified for the job.

... tired of the crooks and scumbags passing themselves off as honest, decent good guys then managing to get elected in spite of all sorts of nasty allegations about their abysmal private lives.

... tired of the same old shit in the political campaigns: "I WILL fix what's wrong with this (city, state, country, etc.)" but never backing that up with any solid plans or factual information; used to be candidates had to at least present SOME kind of strategy no matter how pathetic, but thanks to Arnie now we've seen you don't even have to pretend to have a clue to get elected.

... tired of the bad guys winning time after time, one way or the other.

[disenfranchised]

6. My first post here

I've been lurking here a couple months, but I'm so sad I felt the need to post something. I cannot deal with him as my governor. I'm really down.

[Mari333]

11. Welcome to DU!

a good place to vent btw.

[Mari333]

8. ready to move out of the US and let the fascists take over

they own the media, they own the radio airwaves, they own the politicians, and they own the election machines.
This is not my country anymore, its a fascist corporate regime and I have nothing but contempt for the route its taking and for the numbskulls who vote in neocons and nazis. Im tired of it all.

[RapidCreek]

55. I am afraid you are correct.

Short of violent revolution, for which I have no interest in partaking, I see no end in site. The American public are for the most part sycophantic, infantile, suicidal, morons. They get and are getting what they deserve. My family, however, deserves better. The country I once loved, is no more. I am getting the house in order to sell, and looking into a move to New Zealand. I am tired and demotivated...what the fuck is the point? My countrymen want to be shit on....infact it appears, as long as the shit comes from a gilded anus they'll trample one another for the honor of sucking a turd from it.

I am to the point where if I were to stay here....I might opt to become the sort to take advantage of the situation. Why not? Those who I fight for, call me unpatriotic and un-american. Why not fuck them in the ass, stuff my pockets with cash and bath in my victims admiration? I know how the game is played....I understand the finer points of being devious, though, up until recently I've been unwilling to consider the possibility of going that route. I still am I guess.....While I have no doubt I could 'succeed' quite handsomely in it's persuit....it would kill me spiritually. It is time to go to a more sane place and live a simpler more harmonious life.

The sad fact is....is that Bush and company will get away with everything they have done....and deep down we all know...hope against hopes...that they will. Why will they? Quite simply, because Americans respect and idolize criminals....and view those who behave with honor as weak and simple. Operating with virtue in such an atmosphere is not only pointless but dangerous. Our once great nation has been successfully usurped by the cancer of fascism. I fear it has progressed to far to be excised. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should have more faith....that's what Pat Robertson tells me anyway.

RC

[flamingyouth]

5. I'd like to invite Gov. Gropernator

to stick his tongue in my <anus>. I have a special surprise for him.

[skyzics]

7. Thank goodness for the major Dems ..

Who campaigned for Davis with their great program for California and the country.. Otherwise the Gropinator might have won. What? Nevermind.

[LTR]

10. Laughing my ass off

My prediction: Arnold goes down in flames as governor.

This turns our nation's biggest state toward the Dems in 2004.

End of neocon power grab.

You rethugs are SOOOOOOOOO dead!

Am I being too optomistic?

[Sapphocrat]

17. Yes, but (there's always a but)...

In order for the greater good to be done (assuming you're not being overly optimistic), California will have to go down in flames with Arnold.

There's going to be a lot of collateral damage -- both human and economic.

And as much as I hate to keep parroting "As California goes, so goes the nation," it's true -- meaning, watch out for the ripple effect throughout the rest of the U.S.

But, if someone could guarantee that the wholesale sacrifice of California would get those crooks out of power in D.C., then, well, what the hell -- the Golden State ain't what it used to be anyway.

[blkgrl]

53. The democrats WILL cooperate with Arnold

So California won't go down in flames. And yes, Bush will be helped by this come 2004.

[Kanola]

12. I agree, I think this is great news for Howard Dean and Clark

But I am biased towards Dean. I posted my reasons above. Americans are sick of slick political insiders. The DNC better re-evaluate Dean's relevancy real fast!

[Sapphocrat]

14. Hopeless.

And keenly aware that nearly 60% of the people with whom I am forced to share my beloved Golden State are as brain-dead as the rest of the country believes us all to be.

Angry.

Sad beyond words.

Scared.

Ashamed, for the first time in my life, to call myself a Californian.

Hurt by suggestions of boycotting California. (I've been out of work over three years -- how much more do you want to punish me for what they've done?)

In pain, watching the state I love go down in flames.

See, even with the U.S. as a whole in the toilet, I still kinda had hope for CA...

[brook]

15. Utterly disgusted.

It's an hour and a half after the polls closed. The last I looked there were reports from only 18% of the state - and I understand that the absentee ballots might take a month to count - and yet Tweety's orgasmic over a *victory speech* that this RovianRobot intends to make momentarily. MonkeyBoy ain't my President - and SteroidBoy ain't my Govenor. I'll be working on a package deal for them - out in 2004.

[Gloria]

16. Inspired to now go out and finish erecting my shortwave antenna...

so I can get even more stuff in from other countries. I don't listen to American radio at all anymore and am going to be stringing more up higher to enhance my listening.

Definitely going up to Canada to check out Lethbridge as a possible place to escape for 6 months out of the year.

I am feeling very....depressed.

[skyzics]

18. Continuing Brilliant Dem Strategeery..

Let them hang themselves. What, no planet left? Ooops. Maybe next time, eh?

[Clete]

19. I think we are no longer living in a great and free country.

The press, who traditionally are supposed to keep politicians honest, have become tools of the Corporate States of America. Entertainment has been blurred with Government.

[meisje]

33. I disagree

It's still a great country and it is still very free! The people voted, it was not rigged, and the majority won. Davis was a total failure and he is gone. I'm personally not blinded by the hate of the right that many here are, a repub is in and we'll see what happens.

[candy331]

39. meisje) I am glad you can be so objective

yet your objectiveness is one sided. There are rules to any game and I am afraid when a player refuses to play by them then the whole team looses. In this case the lost is not just California but Democracy for the whole country is in serious peril. I am just sorry that more people could not see that.

[Zhade]

21. Disgusted -- and certain that this was rigged.

NT!

[nini]

22. Oddly calm.... haven't figured out why yet.

weird feeling here.. still hope in my soul.. I don't think it's related to this fiasco as much as the bigger picture.

again, don't know why..... hopefully my brain isn't shutting down because I can't take it anymore!

[blkgrl]

54. calm = acceptance?

As I look at Ahhnuld give his "victory speech" I find myself just wanting to pretend I'm not better and look at the bright side of things. I think we're just tired of the constant disappointments.

[maveric]

23. I'm dissapointed the the voters of CA bought this shit hook, line and

sinker. I thought that we were a progressive free-thinking bunch but I now know that we have been brainwashed by the facist,right-wingers that are trying to ruin democracy.
I'm crushed!

[eleny]

25. The thought of Ken Lay et al toasting champaigne somewhere...

makes me ill and then it makes me angry.

[meisje]

26. wait and see, not the end of the world

he has a 50/50 chance of improving things, we'll see what happens

[nbsmom]

40. Who are you talking about?

50/50 my ass.

No matter how many cars he smashed on the campaign trail, Schwarzenegger can't touch the car tax...it's not in the power of the governor to 'roll back ' the car tax once it's been triggered.

If he's going to put Warren Buffett on timeouts every time the man makes a sensible suggestion, then he's not really interested in changing the status quo, is he?

I don't want to wait and see. I voted last fall for Governor Gray and I'm pissed that my vote was thrown out this summer by a bunch of people who don't want to pay for anything, and blame someone else for their problems.

No it's not the end of the world, but you are part of the problem as long as you don't become part of the solution.

[Fatima]

27. Sad.

I am watching Davis give his concession speech. Remember the term "high tech lynching?"

I feel like I've just been witness to one.

Bernie Ward's and Ray Taliaferro's shows should be hot tonight (if they are not pre-empted)!

Fatima, depressed here on the east coast

[not systems]

28. unwilling to say uncle

I hope Davis hangs on all night and contests any
thing that can be contested.

It would be great if he push for recounts in Diebold
counties like mine Alameda.

If this election can be leveraged into moving the
ball down field on the paper trail issue I might
be happy about something today.

I am happy about 54 going down at this point that is
good news.

This election and the whole recall are products of
the airwar. The media is the enemy and people should
get past...


fuck it Davis is conceding ...

[rucky]

29. Stream of Consciousness:

We Have No Freaking Perspective
I belong in France
USA is going down
Not worth fighting for...but I will
unless I move to France
i better brush up on my French
my butt itches
Grey Davis is on...bu'bye

[Booberdawg]

30. Furious. This isn't going to stop in California.

I am unemployed in Iowa right now and giving serious consideration to dragging my ass into CA to work in the recall arnie effort. I'm serious. I don't know if for a couple weeks or what but I can't stand this anymore.

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. I am in tears as I listen to Governor Davis speak. How I wish he had

waited, for all of my fellow Californian DUers sakes....

I'm simply sorry. :(

[nomaco-10]

32. I think I feel like I belong to a party of

dinosaurs on the verge of extintion. I think that voters all over this country consider themselves "independents" with no real party loyalties and are just about sending a message to whoever is in office that isn't meeting their special needs, afterall it's all about what I want, what I need, not what benefits my neighbor, the poor, the exploited immigrant, the child that doesn't have medical insurance or the eldery person that can't afford to buy their prescriptions, because when it all comes down to it, it's all about Me, Me, ME. And that my fellow duers, is the political party taking this country by storm, the MEocrats.

[indigo32]

34. I agree whole heartedly

the media doesn't help either. There is just no denying the crap they spew.

[last_texas_dem]

37. Amen!

Your post hit the nail on the head of the way I feel these days PERFECTLY!

And I'm young, and the bad news is this problem seems to be getting worse w/ every generation, and my generation seems to be the biggest group of self-centered brats to come of voting age yet...

[fizzana]

35. Some good things that will come out of this

California is mess right now and there are no easy solutions and no quick fixes. Arnold is going to find it rough sledding and those turncoat Democrats and those blinded by his stardom will soon tire
of him.

Wait till California finds out that they can't just rescind the car tax.

This will be a wake up call for the CA Democrat Party which had become far too complacent. Next time find some better candidates.

This was all about Gray Davis. Even before the recall was conceived his approval numbers were in the twenties.

November 2002 was far worse for the Democrats. (small consolation).

Bush is still going down in CA in 2004. The turncoat Democrats will be back in the fold long before then.

Things could be a lot worse.

[FlemingsGhost]

36. I feel no different than I did yesterday...

Americans are still, by and large, ignorant reactionary fools.

The installation of a semi-articulate, political neophyte to govern the world's fifth largest economy is all I need to prove my claim.

[LibertyorDeath]

38. To all the brain dead motherfuckers in CA that voted this pond scum

into office you will reap what you sew. If you think this egocentric
lying misogynistic fucker will make things better. Think again fuck wads. California is the laughing stock of the civilized world tonight, it is the proof the rest of the world has been waiting for that America is officially fucked, the decline is in full swing the imbeciles will gladly vote in an amoral fuck to run the show.

Game over people if you know whats good for you get the fuck out.

Before King George & Emperor Rove seize power in 04.

I used to feel that it was kinda elitist & snobby that one of the pass times here in Canada is making fun of how unbelievably fucking dumb some Americans ( not all ) are about the rest of the World around them. The level of ignorance is fucking mind boggling.

But this , this is just to fucking much Ahnold fuck wad the gov of ca.

Motherfuckers reap what you sew.

FUCKERS!!!

[Clete]

45. Damn thanks for condemning us who didn't

vote for this ass. Go post this at freerepublic. We at DU feel violated enough as it is.

[LibertyorDeath]

59. Hi Clete I wouldn't be caught dead at freerepublic.

"Damn thanks for condemning us who didn't"
vote for this ass. Go post this at freerepublic. We at DU feel violated enough as it is".

"Damn thanks for condemning us who didn't"
vote for this ass"

I didn't condemn anyone the simpletons who voted for this joke did.

[EV1Ltimm]

41. ALRIGHT FOLKS! like the great eddie izzard said...

"It's 70% how you look, 20% how you sound and 10% what you say"

The republicans know how to win elections... get a rich, conceited, sharp dresser that knows how to work a crowd and voila, insta-lection.

nobody cares about substance anymore. people are probably more likely to vote for a barely-sentient candidate that calls his opponents pussies and gets into fistfights at local bars than someone who actually has a clue.

i'd like to think these people suffer from the harrison ford complex. they want to sleep soundly knowing that if their governor was on a plane hijacked by angry albanians, he could stealthly kill each and every one of them with nothing but his bare hands and a ball-point pen. and in true hollywood fashion, the last one would be thrown out the rear-end and explode just yards from the plane.

if we want a democrat to take the white house, lets have them keep their ideas and policies under wraps for the first 6 months of campaigning and make them brag about how many women they screwed in college and if they had a chance, they'd knock on that kim jong il fella's door and punch him right in the kisser when he answered.

He would be unstoppable!

[Lori Price CLG]

42. Revolution now.

Revolution now.
And, that be that.
There is no alternative, when the Reichwing media pushes these Nazis on us morning, noon, and night.

I have never seen a Schwarzenegger movie or have seldom heard Gray Davis speak (I live in CT.) Over the past couple of months, MoreSh*tNoBrainsCable PUSHED Arnold Schwarzenegger on us, without pause. One month passed before MSNBC actually aired video of Gray Davis. 75% of the pundits on the cable circuit are Reichwing HACKS and there was no equity in the presentation of arguments on this GOP California coup <'recall' s-election>.

-Lori Price

[FDRrocks]

43. CRUSHED

Davis conceded. I sat here for 5 minutes in disbelief. The recall still has a slight chance.

I, for one, think this smells like shit. Something is really fishy, to me. It just sets off my BS meter, off the scales. Both the TV stations shouting about Arnold winning as soon as the polls closed bsically and Davis conceding. Bustamante did, as well, right?

Sorry if this insults any of you DU'ers... but this is a sad, sad showing for the Democratic party, and for Democracy in general.

Edit: This makes me feel very skeptical about 2k4. Very.

Edit: Busey supports the Groper. He lost one voter. Christ.

[FubarFly]

44. Not surprised, and not giving up.

This is just one battle in a larger war. If the thugs don't realize how badly Gov. arnie will backfire-

This isn't over yet. Not by a long shot.

Any Democratic "leader" who isn't ready to fight this through, better get the fuck out of the way. The time for playing nice is long gone...

If there was any doubt before-

Pick up the white hankerchief, wipe off your bloody lip, and come out fucking swinging.

If you could see my eyes right now- so help me God, there is nothing here but tightly controlled rage.

...

There is much yet to be done. Legally of course. Fight by all means necessary, but keep it fucking legal.

[nomaco-10]

47. Yeah, we'll fight it all the way to the

SUPREME COURT. You saw how far that got us in 2000.

[FubarFly]

49. Yup. Half-hearted, weak-willed, defeatism won't work

You're absolutely correct.

[Selwynn]

46. Time for some defeatist sex!

Something my friend said after the news called the 2000 Presidential election for Bush, and it made me laugh. :)

[Tatiana]

48. I'm stunned.

I always wondered how nearly half the country voted for Bush.

But then again, Bush touted a populist message, he lied and said he was something that he wasn't. I believe a great majority of the fools that voted for him were simply ignorant and uninformed.

But this... this is... MY GOD! These people who voted for that Nazi-lovin pig KNEW what he was! They KNEW he had NO experience whatsoever! They KNEW he wasn't qualified to clean toilets, much less be governor of a state as large as California.

They KNEW he was a groper of women. Hell women knew and they CHEERED the fucker!

How the hell could a woman, any support such a vile creature?

I'm simply stunned. And disgusted. I feel, for the first time, like informed persons such as ourselves are the minority and we are ruled by idiots and "morans."

I need a drink...

[blkgrl]

50. Very disappointed, disillusioned with Dems

More and more I'm feeling that Dems have little or no backbone. I can't stand Republican values but at least they FIGHT with everything they have. Democrats would never be allowed to get away with recalling a duly elected Governor. I'm just grossed out right now.

[uncertainty]

51. forget "motor voter" registration...

.. we have "moron voter" registration in CA!
All image, no substance... if it's fine for the governor, I might just try this winning approach at work tomorrow and see how it flies.
This is so frustrating.

Oh, and now JAY LENO is introducing Arnold for his concession speech. I'm not going to watch his show again.

[berry]

52. Sad, angry and baffled.

I know it's stupid of me not to know the answer to this--but WHY do politicians concede so early? It's very disheartening to voters. It makes it seem as if votes don't count. And I know lots of people think the absentee votes will favor Arnold, but a lot of Dems are afraid of vote fraud and may also have voted absentee. I see that now at 41% reporting the gap is only 10%. It's narrowing. Does a concession speech count if later the numbers show the person hasn't lost?

Earlier today I read the thread of CA voters checking in--that was demoralizing too--several reports of problems. Especially disturbing was that long-time voters weren't on the list and had to vote provisionally. But the envelopes were too small, so they had to fold ballots that said "do not fold"--so will they be disqualified? Could this have been orchestrated? I hate to believe that this has happened. Maybe I'm grabbing at straws.

One inspiring thing--I watched John Conyers and Sheila Jackson Lee and Kendrick Meek (on the floor of an otherwise empty House) speaking eloquently about the "Constitutional crisis" (Lee's words) the U.S. is facing with the White House leak and the Iraq WMD lies. This was on C-Span from 11 to about 11:40--I had tuned in for election coverage, not being able to stomach Tweety or Wolfy. We need to get a transcript. Write them encouraging letters. Maybe California is just a distraction now. There are much bigger fish to fry (sorry for the boring cliche).

Trying to not be utterly depressed. Not really suceeding...

[hiphopnation]

56. Frustrated

but not defeated. Not ever defeated. After all, as the 60's anthem goes, we SHALL overcome.

This may be a real turning point for America. There may be another social revolution the likes of which we haven't seen since the 60's on the horizon. How could that be bad?


Who's the DUer who always says "Dems gotta keep on truckin .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,"? I would like to envoke his/her spirit...NOW!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

57. Got My Wake Up Call

If this isn't a wake up call, I don't know what you all are waiting for.

Time to get serious. Work harder. Use this joke of a recall to put the screws to the Repubs for their failed policies. We already have Bush on the ropes, but as we saw tonight, there's still a lot of work to be done to educate people.

Don't hang your heads, Dems. Get out there and fight.

[RummyTheDummy]

58. I feel nothing...

This fraud changes nothing and I for one won't be losing any sleep over it. Lets just keep our eyes on the prize and as Bob Marley said, everything will be allright.

[iangb]

60. Ronnie got elected.....

.......and we laughed till it hurt.

But this is just too bizarre to funny.

If this is indicative of the US's future, the rest of the World needs to be very, very wary.
We are seeing the US become both aggressive......and completely unpredictable.

It scares me.

[neebob]

61. Scared that people are so stupid

and selfish and morally bankrupt. Freaking out at the possibility of Boring Snatch's proposed constitutional amendment somehow passing and waking up to President Schwarzenegger in 2008 or 2012. Hey, it's the Bizarro World. Anything can happen.

[eileen_d]

62. Disgusted!

With Republicans, and Arnold, and media whores... and as usual, after an evening in GD, with a few of my "fellow" DUers...