What has happened is California is the anti insider politician vote

[Kanola]

I voted no on the recall and yes on Bustamante.BTW

Other than the celebrity worshipping freaks who voted for and got the Gropinator (never the governor too me) in office is that he was an "outsider" also. (Most people do not know that Wilson's team is behind him). They just heard the rantings of " I am going to clean house" and "terminate" something and that tapped into their anger about insider politicans who they think are not listening to them. I think Gropinater is a moron and will ultimately get a raking over by the majority of the DEM legislature.


I think we have to pay attention to people who are angry at insider politicians and begin to take seriously the candiacies of Dean and Clark because they are perceived as outsiders. (Yes I am biased towards Dean, but like Clark also). We have to persuade the DNC that their candidacies should be taken seriously instead of nomimatating an insider candidate who cannot connect with most voters. Flame away!

BTW, this is just IMHO.

[rwenos]

1. Even Pubbies Admitted "Outsider" Victory

To reinforce your point, even Bill Simon (a moron of the first water) said he thought the voters were sending a message against politics as usual.

I thought Al Sharpton's remarks particularly on point (caught him on MSNBC): He said he thought the people want change -- that they sometimes pick wrong when they want change, but this time they clearly wanted to get new leadership.

This is also an illustration of the appalling political weakness of Gray Davis.

[Kanola]

2. I agree.

That is why the DNC needs to take Howard Dean and Clark more seriously. They both have grassroots support for them and if pushed aside there will be serious apathy if an insider is elected. IMHO.

[SharonAnn]

3. Absolutely! People want change and they want it now!

They're tired of "same-old, same-old" and believed the Populist stuff that Arnold spewed. Unfortunately, I don't think they realized they really elected the Pete Wilson gang and the usual Republican operatives.

Fast your seat belts, it's going to be a rocky year in California!

[Kanola]

4. Yeah... I am looking forward to that bumpy ride

But I think controversy will hang over Robot like a dingy curtain. His women issue will not go away, and he will not accomplish much with a DEM legislature where resentment is sure to linger.

Again, The DNC must not play politics as usual, people are pissed off because they are losing their jobs and have no health care, etc. We want to make sure Shrub is their scapegoat in 2004. The best way to do that is get an outsider who speaks to the people directly (not insider politician speak) to kick Shrub's ass out of office.

[RichM]

5. Your theory is not bad, but IMO, it's mostly that people obey the media.

They are completely unable to think for themselves. Whatever the TV seems to be recommending, they will do.

[Kanola]

7. I agree with the one minute whoring I saw on CNN

I will never watch that channel again. The smirks were sickening. I still believe if the Gropinater wins it is a blend of celebrity worship and the media whores. But I still think being an outsider running a campaign is also an asset. Howard Dean is looking good

[cprise]

6. You definately have something there

And it explains much of Dean's popularity. And thankfully, he knows how to work it.

Clark just had his campaign manager resign because Clark apparently has insider tendencies.

[sandnsea]

8. Total insanity

"They just heard the rantings... that tapped into their anger..."

Manufactured anger from the rantings, I might add. Just like the manufactured fear from the terror alerts.

And you're using the insane babblings that got Arnold elected as justification to support Dean or Clark.

The country has totally flipped its cork.

[jpgray]

9. This needs only media-savviness--the facts can be the total opposite

Whether you think the media are biased and/or run on the cheap (i.e. little investigation or research), it doesn't do a very satisfactory job of separating the myth from the reality. I watched Darrel Issa trying to show Arnold as a true Populist, and in my opinion Wolf Blitzer's job would be to provide context or ask the hard questions. Unfortunately that fell to his other guest, Arianna Huffington.

Of course, I don't expect much of anything from Wolf, but I know what his role SHOULD be.

[Kool Kitty]

10. Very good points.

Bill Schneider of CNN (I know, I know, but I'm just looking for hope here) said that this does not bode well for Bush, he felt it was a vote against the incumbent, not the Democrats.