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canichelouis Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:06 AM
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Did anyone else see Bill Kristol on Charlie Rose?
Amazing. He's jumped the sinking ship too. Boy, was he nervous and squirrelly.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:08 AM
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1. Damn need to watch Nightline and now Charlie Rose?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:12 AM
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2. Terry Moran is on now saying the indictment is short on specifics.
Ted Koppel interviewed Howard Dean and Ted said the indictment was partisian. Hmmmm, nice editorial Ted.

Wonder if the MSM is defending crooked Tom.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:13 AM
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3. it IS the Stenography Corp
always heroic and telling us the truth with no spin :sarcasm:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:14 AM
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4. Tom DeLay has been border line for years concerning ethics
and everyone knows it. For him to claim partisanship borders on the insane. But that's where many Bushbots are.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:16 AM
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5. Of course, it's partisan
Meaning, if the prosecutor was Republican, today would just be another day at the office for DeLay. Guys like Lawrence Walsh are fossils from a long gone age.
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The Kicker Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:17 AM
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6. Terry Moran
He is living down to his last name. What a ho he was tonight.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:19 AM
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7. thanks - on here now!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:23 AM
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8. Did he jump the ship by criticizing bush for being too much like FDR?
I didn't see it, but that seems to be their way of backing away from a loser.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:27 AM
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9. He said that they lost their intimidation factor
That was the effect of losing on Social Security. I'm surprised he said this. Oh, he also said that Dems are now thinking that Karl Rove isn't always so sharp - or something along those lines. That Rove isn't always to accomplish things. So, it was more touching on the administrations inner weaknesses. He said they're pretty rattled over so many bad things happening at once.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:30 AM
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10. but Kristol as a PNACer has a way .....to save the day (no doubt)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:32 AM
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12. With the help of Charlie Rose
Rose asking if W can pull it out. BK isn't being that animated about agreeing. But yes, he's saying that they can regain. It's just that I'm not so convinced. No real enthusiasm on BK's part.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:33 AM
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13. That's right. He is a PNAC signatory
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:38 AM
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15. Jeeeeez... it sounds like he was being downright FRANK
Corresponds with what you would expect a PNAC'er to be thinking, but not necessarily saying in public. Color me shocked!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:31 AM
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11. Didn't see it either
but I'd be surprised if Kristol criticized Bush from that angle. He's a Teddy Roosevelt Republican, he actually likes a good measure of gov't attention to domestic welfare, as long as he gets plenty of Teddy's big-stick foreign adventurism to go with it.
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canichelouis Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:35 AM
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14. Bingo
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 12:38 AM by canichelouis
He may have been 'off a little' with his predictions of Iraq, but he'd certainly be up for more. Very dangerous man here. And a fool.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:40 AM
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16. yep

Billy tried very hard to be optimistic, and he didn't prevaricate, but you could tell that there's real despair there and premonitions that the jig is almost up. Those conservatives that are unbearable knowitalls in triumph are such wistful and borderline touchingly naive mediocrities when they see it's all ending in gentle and inevitable failure for them. Billy was clinging at straws when hoping for a Republican recovery and he knew it- he's seen this movie before, in 1990 and 1994, in 1998 and in 2002, each time a dominant wing of one of the major Parties became useless to the electorate and crashed and burned.

Re Nightline: Terry Moran is a lot smarter than people here give him credit for- he's a true master at concealing, almost perfectly successfully, that he considers Republicans insane. He's on our side, folks, on almost everything. And I was disappointed with Howard Dean- he has a way of choosing to rattle off talking points when it's not actually worth it. He would have been much more effective if he'd cut his shpiel short to a shrug and merely saying confidently and conversionationally, "Well, Ted, it's a whole Culture of Corruption among Washington Republicans that is being exposed to the American People. That's all it is."
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