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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:59 AM
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Don't think impeachment.........think
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 02:09 AM by amerikat
Annulment. Wouldn't that be cool. Like a marriage annulment. AS in it never really happened. All the laws enacted since 2000 would be null and void. Homeland security gets broken up into it's component parts, the environmental laws go back to where they were Pre 2000. WE would get to see the folly of it all and have a fresh start based on that knowledge.

I'm just dreaming. But if it could be proven that the elections were rigged in 2000 and 2004 we would have an enormously powerful argument to undo all that has been done to our country. It couldn't bring back our dead in Iraq but it could shut down the war for lack of funding.

Just a thought.

EDit: Hey there wouldn't even be a homeland security.:kick:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:02 AM
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1. Oh, you're making me feel warm and tingly all over
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:07 AM
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2. You're having psychic communication with DUer Kster and me--see below
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 02:13 AM by autorank
Here's a little piece that proves your point.
DUer "kster" and I did it and blasted it to the media.
You're on the right track. Impeachment is bullshit, he was never elected.

They have to do something different, like in the Ukraine when the crook was thrown out after exit polls showed he stole it. Well, see the last point here, our exit polls on election day, the only ones with a paper trail, showed Kerry winning, no trouble at all.

Here's the post. Good stuff here, well sourced. Send it to your emial lists and local media.

RECOMMENDED!
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Is * LEGITIMATE?: HELL NO! Help the Press Get off their Asses

…and the press is ready, if you’ve watched recent coverage.

Is Bush Legitimate? Hell no?

The following attachment went to nearly 400 national press folks recently.

It’s the story of why this administration is NOT legitimate.

Help LOCALLY! Just copy the attached release and email it to:

--your local newspapers

--your local TV stations

--your friends.


We’ve made it simple but with very good evidence.

Let’s help the press get a quick study on a bogus election and give them reason to question legitimacy!!!

DU Users: kster & autorank

Cut & Paste the following. The links should be preserved but check.
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September 19, 2005
For Immediate Release
From: Concerned Americans
IT’S NOW A QUESTION OF LEGITIMACY: WHO REALLY WON IN 2004.

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In 2005 Federal government gives Louisiana $27 million for Help America Vote Act to purchase machines for the entire state.
http://170.94.58.9/data/agency_budgets/0063.htm
In 2004 the Bush administration cut Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee maintenance in the New Orleans area by $26 million dollars. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313

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Why is the Bush administration so intent on spreading voting machines and software?

Could the reason be that Bush almost always does better in electronic voting precincts?
Could another reason be that almost all the electronic voting companies are owned by right wing Republicans?

1) In early 2004, the BBC reported on serious questions about American electronic voting. David Dill, a computer expert at Stanford, questioned the reliability of voting systems, owned and operated by private companies who keep all data and operations information private. BBC pointed out that in Brazil, a separate organization exists to look at electronic voting machines during and after an election in order to keep vendors honest. In America, Diebold, etc. will not allow anyone to examine their machines since the software is “proprietary.” We are voting blind with no way to check the process or even do a recount....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3489877.stm

2) About 80% of the votes in this country are now tabulated—totaled—by just three companies, two controlled by right wing Republicans and the third by a British company. These and other voting machine and system companies have a checkered record, some employing ex felons. This article by reporter LynnLandes details the sorry situation in detail with references.
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm
Professor Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University did a study on one of the most popular voting machines, Diebold, in 2003 and found numerous security problems. This was not a partisan effort but a look by a computer security expert. The results are depressing.
http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf

VotersUnite.Org has a powerful, extremely well documented book on voting machines, tabulators and the Federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA). It’s called
MythBreakers http://votersunite.org/ and is available as a PDF File
There is no argument “… to counter the loud and vociferous assertions of numerous computer experts who insist that electronic voting machines can be rigged. And that if they can be rigged, they are… because if you leave the bank vault open, sooner or later someone is going to rob it.” Lynn Landes http://www.ecotalk.org/Sequoia.htm
3) Mark Crispin Miller wrote an excellent article in Harper’s Magazine called "None Dare Call it Stolen" which lays out the case for a stolen election. This is new and excellent; they like Harpers. This details the voter suppression are documented, the fake “terrorist alert” to stop vote counting when no alert was issued, the extra Bush votes which magically appeared.
http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html

4) Exit Polls have been used all over the world to catch election fraud. They are used by the center run by President Carter, other international voting rights groups, and most recently in the Ukraine. In the Ukraine, the difference between the vote count and the exit polls was so different, a new election was held. The United States government was the main force behind getting a new election because of problems uncovered by exit polls. Yet US exit polls in presidential elections, highly accurate in 1996 and 2000, showed a clear victory for John Kerry but these were completely ignored. In fact, the final exit poll released election night, after 1:00am had to be adjusted with actual results to show a Bush win (which made it something other than a poll, at that point).
Professor Steve Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania outlined a simple set of arguments in February 2005. How could the exit polls be so far off?
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970/
A group of leading statisticians produced an academic study of exit poll – actual vote discrepancies in April 2005 showing strong evidence of election fraud.

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf
The following article shows the incredible case made for a stolen election through a careful analysis of the exit polls we were never supposed to see. The final poll released contradicted the three previous polls of 13,600 respondents. The “virgin” exit polls demonstrate clearly a Kerry victory. The exit polls are the only voting on Election Day with a 100% paper trail. The voting on machines has no such back up. It’s a fascinating article.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00238.htm

IT’S TIME TO SERIOUSLY INVESTIGATE THE QUESTION:
WHO REALLY WON IN 2004.
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:15 AM
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4. Good work. NIce short, sweet and to the point. I'll send it around
to non DU friends. Is there some legal way to get one of these machines in the hands of the geeks so it could be checked for security flaws?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:30 AM
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7. Got it for you...we need more events like this, on election day.
Professor Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University did a study on one of the most popular voting machines, Diebold, in 2003 and found numerous security problems. This was not a partisan effort but a look by a computer security expert. The results are depressing.
http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf

Believe it or not, the CA Boards of Elections association wanted to do "parallel monitoring" to check election machines. They would have Diebold 1.0 taking votes and the same model Diebold, 1.1 taking practice votes. If the practice Diebold, 1.1, recoreded the votes as cast, then that meant that election Diebold, 1.0. We are dealing with some serious idiots!

Thanks for the comment. This does go over well. It's designed to take you through the process if you're motivated.

:hi:
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:33 AM
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9. I do most of my banking on a Deibold atm machine
It seems to have no problem giving me a receipt. Thanks again.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:30 AM
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10. I used them 10-12 years ago, maybe more. They worked great.
A friend of mine had a maintenance contract with them in the Bay Area. She really liked it because they rarely had problems. This is intentional, the "problems" producing receipts, the vanishing votes, etc. We're waking up. "And that's a good thing."
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:10 AM
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3. Works for me. Remember this Jackson Browne song?
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:26 AM
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6. I know that song and yes they are "running on empty"
and the wheels are coming off too.
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:15 AM
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5. Anulment = Gore in '08. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:32 AM
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8. F'ing Yes. That is the logical solution; the last truly elected President

Correct the * Error. Inaugurate Gore, the Truth Is All We Want.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:12 AM
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11. I like the sound of this......... K&R..........nt
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:28 AM
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12. I THINK YOU GOT IT !
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