Judy Miller is out of jail!

[cynatnite]

WASHINGTON - Judith Miller, The New York Times reporter who has been jailed since July 6 for refusing to identify a source, has been released, The Inquirer has learned.

Miller left an Alexandria, Va. jail late this afternoon, a jail official said.

She was released after she had a telephone conversation with the Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, sources said. In that conversation, Libby reaffirmed that he had released Miller from a promise of confidentiality more than a year ago, sources said.

The special prosecutor in the case, Patrick Fitzgerald, has sought to compel Miller to reveal her source to a grand jury investigating whether Bush administration officials leaked the name of a CIA covert officer, Valerie Plame.

It could be immediately determined whether Miller has now agreed to testify.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/NY_Times_reporter_Judith_Miller_released_0929.html

[thedailyshow]

1. whoa!

[cynatnite]

3. No shit...I choked on my pizza n/t

[Mr_Spock]

2. Fascinating

I hope it brings Plame to a head soon...

[OKDem08]

5. any idea on the status of Fitzgerald investigation? n/t

[Mr_Spock]

24. I dunno. I could spew some pessimistic negativity and paranoia

but I won't. I got better things to do that try to depress people.

:rofl:

Read below if you wanna hear the tin-foil prognosticators...

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Don't forget you could add

some tinfoil. I hope this means Fitzgerald got what he needed from her. I'm really anxious for this case to end. I just hope he gets someone.

[Mr_Spock]

73. I'm gonna think happy thoughts

:D

Happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts :D

:D

[AuntiBush]

81. You and Me, Both!

[AuntiBush]

76. You think this is Good?

I must have read something different. Got the immediate impression that if she's out-of-jail thanks to Libby, what more can Fitz do.

Tell me I'm reading this wrong, please :)

[electron_blue]

119. I also smell a rat

[AuntiBush]

131. You Know...

We've had our hopes driven up, down and twisted all around for so long now, we're by nature "afraid" to get our hopes climb skywards.

Though, we certainly could use some boosters, and fast.

[Mr_Spock]

121. She was in jail because she refused to testify as to her source...

Now she must be allowed to testify about her source. This should "move the Plame case along" as I am suggesting.

Why would I presume to know if this is "good" or "bad"? I don't have any idea - I can think positive if I want :D or negative :( - I HATE being pessimistic so I'm going to hope for the best. :D

[electron_blue]

143. I love hoping for the best

I just wonder why her source "released" her. Why would any source let her testify, since it would presumably only get him (or her) into "trouble"?

[nonconformist]

4. Is the whole house of cards falling all at once?!

Can I dream?!

[Mr_Spock]

10. One day at a time

Let's hope it dies the death of a thousand pin pricks :D

[fooj]

17. Room for me in "Dreamland"? LOL!!!

Right there with you!

[Tiggeroshii]

6. So maybe the leaking of a CIA agent hasturned out NOT to be a felony?

As to make Libby not afraid to reveal himself to the Grand Jury. I wonder if there's any bribe cases that've taken place since the start of this case...

[Mutley]

7. Wow. It's all too much to take in at once.

:o

[KyndCulture]

8. hmmm, very interesting...

Did she sing? OH please!!!

[robertpaulsen]

9. Was she greeted outside the jail by the Walrus?

Funny how everything's happening all at once!

[H2O Man]

23. Amazing.

It makes you wonder what the administration will do now.

[FreedomAngel82]

68. It is

:D I'm throughly enjoying it. For a bit I felt a little guilty I don't really cause of all the pain and suffering they've brought this country. I like to think of it as the rath of a mixture of karma and God. ;)

[hootinholler]

116. Might actually be a strategeric move on the GOP's part...

Too much corruption and scandle to keep track of, so they might have some escape conviction in the court of public opinion?

Kinda like Friday dumps.

-Hoot

[0007]

11. It looks like some monkey business is going on!

[KyndCulture]

13. Yeah what's up with the Cheney office phone call...

:tinfoilhat:

[0007]

115. I think the big hurt is coming to Dick & LIbby

What did Bolton go and see Judy? To scare her?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

12. Veeeerrrry interesting. n/t

[cynatnite]

14. This strikes me as not being a good thing...

Fitzgerald is a guy that keeps his cards close to the chest. I think there was some backroom maneuvering going on since he's got until the end of Oct. to make an indictment.

Someone will take a fall for this. Could be Scooter who is going to fall on the sword for the good of the regime.

[Tiggeroshii]

21. I'm pretty sure Fitzgerald can extend the investigation as he sees

necessary. I'm thinking maybe there really was some monkey business that he caught red handed with evidence, and maybe that's just forcing Libby to give himself up. I dunno I dunno. ONly time will tell.

[AuntiBush]

89. Thought it was placed into the Grand Jury's hands?

[FreedomAngel82]

72. Cheney getting involved is very interesting

He is usually very quite and brought out very very rarely so why would he pop out of his hole for Miller?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Hmmm Maybe Delay is her source and she heard it through the

prison grapevine he was going down !

[Pithy Cherub]

16. Hell has frozen over & republicans are giving us GREAT presents!

:wow: This means it is all coming apart now! :popcorn:

I am not sure but - it's not Christmas is it?

[Im with Rosey]

30. I hope you are right.

There is definately something odd going on.

[Pithy Cherub]

35. Judy got her "get out of jail" card only by

agreeing to testify. Scooter could only release her from her "source protection" mode. Then there had to be a call saying OK, I will testify fully before the GJ. That puts this right back on the front page in the midst of the bush trying to rebrand himself while the rest of the republican party is imploding.

Get the :popcorn: a :beer: and a few:pals: and enjoy!

[Im with Rosey]

90. I hope you are right.

Yesterday's news was GREAT, hard to believe it could get better!

[Rainscents]

18. I wonder whats up??? Interesting!

[jody]

19. If true, then Libby was one of the sources. * must have already pardoned

Libby. :puke:

[Marie26]

126. How do you guys all know Libby was the source?

I haven't seen this reported in the mainstream press. I'm sure learning a lot at this site!

[Beam Me Up]

129. Welcome Marie26!

Yes, there's lots to learn here, even for those of us wove been around for a while. One of the reasons I keep coming back. Someone will post a news story like this and then I get to see all the comments. Occasionally someone will tie it together with another story or another piece of information, making a connection I probably wouldn't have made myself.

I don't know the answer to the question you're asking but I do recall seeing this discussed a year ago or so here. There were a whole series of very long threads having to do with the Plame case at that time. There has also been a lot of speculation regarding this whole thing. Some believe the story of Plame being outed to get back at Ambasador Willson is actually a pretext for something deeper and potentially far more sinister. After all, by outing Valarie Plame, somoeone(s) within the Bush administration EFFECTIVELY DISSOLVED an important and well established component of our National Security Infrastructure. Now, why would anyone go and do a thing like that?

Edit: typs

[Marie26]

134. Thanks!

Thanks, this is a pretty cool site. It's very nice to read liberal POV as I'm stranded in red country. I never really understood how outing Plame's identity helped the administration. At best, it rated a big "who cares" from most of the public, and doesn't even make Wilson's information suspect. Actually, the fact that his wife is in charge of WMD intelligence makes his info MORE reliable. I guess it makes the point "don't mess with this administration" - but that seems like a pretty small payoff for taking a very big risk w/the law & our CIA investigations. It does seem like there's something missing.

[Beam Me Up]

140. Right on target. That's how it seems to many of us as well.

Even before 9/11 I'd developed the motto: "Whoever controls your perception of reality controls you." In other words, it is all about perception.

The more people know and the more people there are who know, the harder it is for them to drive us forward with THEIR definition of what is 'real'. Whatever else 9/11 may have been, it was USED as a psychic driver -- that is, a means to manipulate the American heart and mind. PNAC and W, Halliburton and Cheney, among many others, have gotten almost everything they ever wanted as a result of 9/11 and all the lies that followed from it. Of course the biggest lie of all is that George W. Bush IS in any real sense the President of the United States. What a joke. :puke:

[Up2Late]

20. They are letting her out now,because their are so many other distractions.

Gonna' try to sneak this one under the RADAR.

[IkeWarnedUs]

47. Imagine . . .

. . . turning to the story about outing a CIA operative to distract people from their other crimes?

[FreedomAngel82]

80. More than likely

Everyone is following the Roberts story and the hurricane(s) etc. They think people forgot.

[Marie26]

127. Maybe they'll have some other "major announcement"

Friday to take away press attention. Like oh, I don't know, the name of the next Supreme Court nominee?

[Rex]

22. Libby & Rove

Assholes are goin DOWN!

[DaveColorado]

31. Is it a felony to out a covert cia agent?

Also, can a president pardon someone who has not even been convicted yet?

[Rex]

50. High crimes and misdemeanors.

Punishable by death.

[FreedomAngel82]

97. Law made in 1982 I believe

Even Poppy Bush says it's the worst thing one can do (out an agent).

[H2O Man]

25. Please nominate.

This is a most important thread!

[understandinglife]

26. As of 1640 PDT, Google and other searches return zilch. And, I can't ....

... find anything at the sites likely to carry this, including the obvious one, NYTimes.

Not saying it isn't true; just surprised that no one is carrying the news.


Peace.

[understandinglife]

37. Folk at dKos are claiming it is now on MSNBC news and she will be ...

.... in court tomorrow!!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/29/19126/9178/71#71

Oh my ........


Peace.

[cynatnite]

41. Court tomorrow!

I'll be out all day tomorrow! :banghead: Darn it to heck!

[cynatnite]

27. Front page of Philadelphia Enquiror

It requires full registration.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/

[bunny planet]

28. wonder why I can't find this reported anywhere on the NYTimes site.

Could be they would rather just keep it quiet, she is after all an embarrassment to them.

[Canuckistanian]

33. The martyr has been freed! It's time to celebrate!

Well, let's wait a while, first. Sulzberger doesn't seem to be jubilant or they wouldn't allow aother sources to scoop them.

[cynatnite]

29. Kansas City has picked up the story

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/12776097.htm

[Canuckistanian]

32. Good news... or is it?

Scooter phoning her is a puzzling development. Maybe he was fishing for information?
Or is there a (another) sinister deal being cooked up here?

[Mr_Spock]

40. Let's hope for the worst!!!!111

Um, er, I mean best!!!111

[Lone_Star_Dem]

My thoughts

It was reported last month that she was seeking release from her source on Huffington Post. She had no doubt been trying to get Libby to confirm or deny if he would release her for some time now. He finally came to a decision to do so based on some unknown factor.

You know we're not getting the real story on this because he said he'd already released her more than a year ago. Why didn't he remind her of this fact before she was forced to set in the slammer to cover his butt if this were true?

[Halliburton]

92. Judy would be stupid to lie

Fitz hates people lying to him, as he's indicted many for perjury.

[AuntiBush]

94. Could Fitz & Grand Jury Wire-In/Listen

To her calls, and visits?

[GreenPartyVoter]

34. What can this all mean?

[Skidmore]

36. Lou Dobbs sprung her!!!

[brettdale]

38. Does this mean Fitzgerald is going to indict soon?

Does this mean Fitzgerald is going to indict soon?

[understandinglife]

42. According to MSNBC, via dKos, she will be in court tomorrow!!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/29/19126/9178/71#71


Peace.

[texpatriot2004]

44. Yep, just heard it on MSNBC breaking news. n/t

[Name removed]

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[npincus]

43. here here

no mercy for the neocon echo chamber

[LittleClarkie]

I don't get it

If you're about to go to jail, wouldn't you remember that about a year ago you were released from a promise of confidentiality. And why would you wait this long to ask "Hey, remember a year ago? Did you mean it when you said I was released from a promise of confidentiality?"

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

49. Yep, it's BS

It's not as if Libby couldn't have called her up before now and reminded her, either. Total BS excuse.

[texpatriot2004]

54. So, she decided to testify now and "the source" releasing her is

just a cover for the source? Meaning the "release" has no bearing on her decision to testify?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

66. I feel that may be the case

It's possible she was told she may be facing four years in prison if she didn't testify and was trying to get a release so she could.

The fact that it's taken her so long to get a release, that was supposedly already given, does imply that she may have told Libby she was going to with or without his consent. Forced into a corner he comes up with the excuse that he'd already released her a year ago.

[FreedomAngel82]

Might not

It does seem that way. If the source released her a while back why would they need to do it again? It's definitley BS and something else. Maybe this was the only way to allow the source to come and see her. It doesn't really make any sense. Maybe they were co-conspiring something else and this was their coverup.

[alcibiades_mystery]

136. Correct

She probably cried uncle on the jail thing, and presented the option to Libby:

Say you released me to speak about our conversations, and you at least get the benefit of saying you released me. Don't, and it doesn't really matter, cuz I'm testifying anyway!

[FreedomAngel82]

98. It is

They hope no one will remember which is why they change their stories so many times. :crazy: They're now trying to save their asses. My question is is she going to tell the truth or will she still be covering for someone?

[LittleClarkie]

102. It won't be Cheney who gets it, you can be sure

Rove maybe?

[SaveAmerica]

45. What about Bolton's visit the other day?

[Ksec]

46. Miller has now agreed to testify? Sweet, lets hope so.

Say gnight Rove/*

[spanone]

48. Interestingly as of 7:05 CST there is nothing on NYTimes Website

[understandinglife]

They have so much to fear at the NYTimes over this entire fiasco ...

.... you can be sure they are not going to be rushing to do anything more than another death-rattle-spin-job as Arthur contemplates the old grey lady being permanently tarnished by their role in the vast deception of the American people and the Congress and thereby signicantly enabling Bush's un-Constitutional war of aggression and the vast number of crimes committed since March 19, 2003 by America on Iraq.


Peace.

[zippy890]

91. could you elaborate?

I know the NYT was complicit with the war-propoganda build up by bush/cheney. Miller a big part of that.

What does the NYT have to fear other than tarnished reputation?

[understandinglife]

103. For the 'paper of record' to be comprehensively exposed as ...

... complicit in a war that is un-Constitutional and that violates international law, is a 'tarnished reputation' that will endure.

But, it goes beyond that.

For starters, as the families of US soldiers, KIA and wounded, begin to realize the extensive role of Miller using the NYT as a propaganda machine for Bush and the neoconsters, one can imagine them bringing substantial legal action against the NYT. Those families will have access to all the information, publicly available and vetted by retired US intelligence experts, prior to March 19, 2003, that indicated that the WMD justification was false, and, more importantly, known to be false. They will have available the fact that the forgery of the Niger 'yellowcake' documents had been exposed before Bush launched his illegal war of aggression.

And, then the Iraq citizenry may well take legal action against the NYTimes. In fact, the World Tribunal on Iraq, in it's Final Declaration brought explicit charges against the New York Times and Judith Miller -- called them out by name in Section II.F.1:

F. Against the Major Corporate Media

1. Disseminating the deliberate falsehoods spread by the governments of the US and the UK and failing to adequately investigate this misinformation, even in the face of abundant evidence to the contrary. Among the corporate media houses that bear special responsibility for promoting the lies about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, we name the New York Times, in particular their reporter Judith Miller, whose main source was on the payroll of the CIA. We also name Fox News, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, the BBC and ITN. This list also includes but is not limited to, The Express, The Sun, The Observer and Washington Post.

http://www.worldtribunal.org/main/?b=91

Just for starters ....


Peace.

[zippy890]

108. whoa........

I never thought of that, the NYT could be held legally accountable for publishing information that was false about WMD.

Thanks, quite interesting

[Beam Me Up]

130. The New York Times stands guilty as charged.

She may be old and gray but on top of that she is a painted whore.

[never cry wolf]

51. What constitutes "revealing a source?"

I am wondering if maybe libby told her a year ago, "ok, you can say it was me but don't go beyond that" not wanting the entire conversation itself related, only the source. Maybe he said something like "Unka Dick wants this guy screwed and so does the idiot in chief, do your job!"

[rodeodance]

52. see this DU thread from LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1815988&mesg_id=1815988

[highplainsdem]

53. MSNBC emphasizing they don't know her source.

I'm listening to Countdown. They're saying a lot of names have been mentioned, but they don't have any confirmation of who Miller's source is.

[highplainsdem]

55. Now they just mentioned the Inquirer story and Scooter Libby.

[fooj]

58. Funny how they DON'T mention Bolton as a visitor...

:grr:

[cynatnite]

59. I noticed that, too

I kept waiting for Pete Williams to say his name.

[napi21]

60. Why is everyone here saying Libby is her source?

I think this is still all speculation, isn't it?

[cynatnite]

64. It's stated as fact in two news articles so far... n/t

[goodhue]

56. Libby reaffirmed he had released her from promise of confidentiality

more than a year ago!?

[goodhue]

83. Libby released her MORE THAN A YEAR AGO

Yet she went to jail.

:shrug:

[AuntiBush]

96. Really.

This is seriously confusing... Anyone else smell a publicity-style rat?

Or, Rove goes, like Brown, only to return 24 hours w/$$$ consultant job.

On the other hand, was it Novak? Mr. I-was--Off-the-Hook-from-Getgo.

[goodhue]

107. Apparently she did not understand there was any such release

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/politics/29cnd-court.html?hp&ex=1128052800&en=ab3e643986deb5a5&ei=5094&partner=homepage

But the discussions were at times strained, with Mr. Libby and Mr. Tate asserting that they communicated their voluntary waiver to Ms. Miller's lawyers more than year ago, according to those briefed on the case. Mr. Libby wrote to Ms. Miller in mid-September, saying that he believed her lawyers understood that his waiver was voluntary.

Others involved in the case have said that Ms. Miller did not understand that the waiver had been freely given and did not accept it until she had heard from him directly.

[libnnc]

57. I'm stumped what's going on?

Is this good or bad?

[Walt Starr]

65. This is BRILLIANT

It means the case being built by Fitzgerald is soooo close to fininshed that indictments will come down next week.

[fooj]

69. Thanks, Walt! I needed to hear that.

Peace.:popcorn:

[fooj]

61. Arianna seems to have some scoop...

just talked to Seder on the Majority Report!

Peace.

[understandinglife]

67. HuffPo just posted (1705 PDT) the link to the Philly Inquirer story

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/09/29/judy-miller-walks-deve_n_8103.html

Eager to see what Ms Huffington has to dish ....


Peace.

[FreedomAngel82]

105. Hopefully it will be posted on her blog

[babsbunny]

63. To Take Delay Off the Front Page?

Does this have anything to do with Roberts being sworn in???

[understandinglife]

70. I think it has to do with Fitzgerald telling Judy he was going to charge

.... her with criminal contempt if she didn't start talking to the Grand Jury .... and, she has had plenty of time in the slammer to know he meant it.

She's a long way from 'free' - as well.


Peace.

[H2O Man]

77. Right.

Her attorney had hinted to the press that a deal was in the works. She had no defense against the charge, and it meant prison as opposed to jail.

[hiley]

84. she has to go

before the Grand Jury..

[Halliburton]

95. yeah

I guess 4 months of BET was all she could handle.

[napi21]

75. It won't take DeLay off the FP. He'll just have to share it.

I doubt it has anything to do with Roberts. It could have something to do with the next niminee though. If it turns out to be a real RW nutjob, other top breaking news could soften the story.

[AuntiBush]

71. I'm Sick...

No. Damn-it! Please, don't tell me Fitz's grand jury is a wash!?! Please, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong.

[H2O Man]

79. No. This is good.

This is a good thing.

[hwmnbn]

100. Martha? Martha Stewart, is that you? LOL......

Hi H2O Man.

Yesterday here in Chicago, Fitzgerald brought indictments against 14 area gang members. He announced them here in person.

Also his staff is apparently running the show at the trial of former Governor George Ryan which started in earnest yesterday also.

I thought to myself, I hope Fitz isn't spreading himself too thin. And now this happens. From all accounts he is a focused, driven, type A personality. We're gonna need that.

It'll be fun to monitor the situation. This is better than Perry Mason!

[AuntiBush]

101. From You, I'll take it as Sincere Face Value

Thanks HO2 Man. Ok. I'll order more :popcorn:

[texpatriot2004]

74. "leaking scandal encircles more administration officials than

previously believe"

Link is here:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/31/growing-scandal/

[texpatriot2004]

78. "Scooter" Libby was Miller's source, but it involves more than him

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/04/scooter-libby-was-the-source/

[hiley]

82. indictments soon..

i think and hope

[H2O Man]

85. Judith testifies in the morning.

I think you are right.

[hiley]

93. should be extremely

interesting, don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight or not...
waited to long for this to explode.

[highplainsdem]

86. AP just confirmed Miller will be talking to the grand jury tomorrow,

according to Olbermann.

[Generator]

112. She squeals! she broke!

Please let this be the answer to our prayers. God save America.

[indie_voter]

87. Perhaps...

She was facing some serious jail time, called Libby up and told him she wasn't going to take the fall for him (insert Bogart voice here and add a 'see')

She reminded him that he released her publicly from a promise of confidentiality last year and she was taking her "get out of jail" free card now.

Or not.

This is going to be interesting, I hope the good guys win.

[Kenroy]

88. Good

I hate the idea of imprisoning journalists. It's fascistic.

[AuntiBush]

99. Good? How about the Outing of Plame & a few 100 Ops

Respectfully speaking, their covers were in place for decades. A HUGE portion of our inside MidEast intelligence (much more then we'll probably ever know about) was lost; all the decades of overseas CIA super-undercover hard work - "outed" forever, compromising our county's safety "forever."

All in the name of political paybacks?

I'm the first to stand-up for our Amendments but this is a whole 'nother level of nat'l security, and over *'s policies. We the people "obviouslY" no longer count for crap, except at the OIL pump.

[Kenroy]

109. sorry

I just disagree. Journalists cannot do their jobs if they can't maintain confidentiality.

[AuntiBush]

124. Not to Confuse Some "Journalists" for Paid WH Pundits.

I think those kind are traitors to "the American people." We need "creditable" journalists, yes, but retired AP folks known they've been stifled by *&*.

[garybeck]

135. I don't think you get it

Confidentiality applies to the source of a NEWS STORY.

the fact that Valerie Plame is a CIA operative is NOT A NEWS STORY.

It is a crime to reveal the identity of a CIA operative.

There is no story. There is only a crime.

The confidentiality rule is there to protect WHISTLEBLOWERS. Whoever revealed Plames identity is NOT A WHISTLEBLOWER. they are a CRIMINAL.

There is a HUGE difference between whistleblowers and criminals. A whistleblower is someone who uncovers a crime. a criminal is someone who commits a crime.

There is no protection for criminals, and there is no protection for reporters who witness a crime and refuse to testify about it.

There is protection for whistleblowers and there is protection for reporters who receive information from whistleblowers.

You really have to understand, there is a universe of difference between whistleblowers and criminals.

[never cry wolf]

104. So do I, but there is a difference

Journalists are supposed to be the 4th estate, to shine a light on crime, malfeasance and corruption and when they (and whistleblowers) are doing that they should be protected. When they are abetting the perpetrators of said crime, malfeasance and/or corruption they are an accessory, IMHO.

[fooj]

110. Spot on, never cry wolf!

:toast:

[nonconformist]

122. Well said! You nailed it. nt

[Beam Me Up]

133. Accessory to a high crime of State.

If that doesn't make anyone pause, then we are truly lost and might as well know it.

[nashville_brook]

106. LIBBY was the FALL GUY?

[understandinglife]

111. Here is the NYTimes link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/politics/29cnd-court.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

Long article -- like they obviously had plenty of fore-warning ....


Peace.

[sunnystarr]

114. Something is strange here

The agreement that led to Ms. Miller's release followed intense negotiations between Ms. Miller; her lawyer, Robert Bennett; Mr. Libby's lawyer, Joseph Tate; and Mr. Fitzgerald. The talks began with a telephone call from Mr. Bennett to Mr. Tate in late August. Ms. Miller spoke with Mr. Libby by telephone earlier this month as their lawyers listened, according to people briefed on the matter. It was then that Mr. Libby told Ms. Miller that she had his personal and voluntary waiver.


But the discussions were at times strained, with Mr. Libby and Mr. Tate asserting that they communicated their voluntary waiver to Ms. Miller's lawyers more than year ago, according to those briefed on the case. Mr. Libby wrote to Ms. Miller in mid-September, saying that he believed her lawyers understood that his waiver was voluntary.


Others involved in the case have said that Ms. Miller did not understand that the waiver had been freely given and did not accept it until she had heard from him directly.


In written statements today, Ms. Miller and executives of The New York Times did not identify the source who had urged Ms. Miller to testify. Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, said that Mr. Fitzgerald had assured Ms. Miller's lawyer that "he intended to limit his grand jury interrogation so that it would not implicate other sources of hers."


Mr. Keller said that Mr. Fitzgerald had cleared the way to an agreement by assuring Ms. Miller and her source that he would not regard a conversation between the two about a possible waiver as an obstruction of justice.

Why wouldn't Fitzgerald be interested in her other sources? Why did it take from late August to late September to reach an agreement? I remember that Libby made it plain a year ago that his release wasn't cooerced and confirmed it personally. I believe he was the source for another reporter. This just brings up more questions than before. Does Fitzgerald know who her other sources are and not need her added testimony? Why would it be important to have her name Libby - someone who Fitzgerald already knew about and I'm sure has testimony on.

[understandinglife]

120. I think the article is bullshit. And, it is obvious they had plenty of ...

... time to write it.

She's likely already cut a plea deal with Fitzgerald. We all know she was sitting in that jail cell using the 1st instead of claiming the 5th.

The New York Times is in deep trouble over their role in Judith's propagandist-in-chief role for Bush and the neoconsters.

The World Tribunal on Iraq charged both the New York Times and Judith Miller explicitly. Their world-of-hurt hasn't even begun.


Peace.

[GeorgeGist]

113. Libby does what Cheney wants...

what is Cheney up to? Is Bush beginning to be a problem that Rove can't fix?

[mvd]

117. Could be that..

Cheney or other higher ups want to pass this onto others. I hope Rove.

[electron_blue]

118. Released on the same day Roberts confirmed

Maybe she's no longer a threat now that Bush holds all aces?

[dooner]

123. Oh no, that's a bad thought.

but it is odd timing. Then throw in Delay indictment. It feels like all hell is breaking loose!

[Marie26]

125. So...

Does this mean that Fitzerald knows her source & is ready to prosecute, or does it mean that he knows he won't be pressing charges & so it's futile to keep her in jail any longer?

[PATRICK]

128. Roberts in, Miller out

I think, as others have noted you are seeing the on schedule wrap up of the Bush II Mis-administration. The loose ends, the lingering investigations will be "allowed" to work their way up to spectacular stooge work by the Roberts Court, the SOLE reason he was anointed, and to even more outrageous, no-consequence, Bush pardons. Underneath the outrage of the several indicted crony kingpins pardons will lie buried the larger scandals that will become enshrined cancers on America's barely living carcass.

MAYBE, they await some convenient terror/war climax as cover, but as we have seen, the impunity, the knowledge of no consequences at all being possible or even very energetically pursued, is displayed in incredibly foul insensitivity, racist remarks of the most casual sort. Just the barest energy of flipping the bird against all humanity.

It is amazing how a little thing like Miller attracts the surprised attention of people desperately trying to fathom a particular intrigue, a single loose thread that might unravel the Emperor's clothes. One has to admit, underneath that hope, that interest, lies the certainty that as long as they are initiating the actions, it is all their ugly little symphony of power.

This is one weed in a field of weeds surrounded by a desert. We keep awaiting someone "up there" to clean up this mess, to alert the public, to enforce the law and it will begin to go away.

Surprise me. Everything tells me it won't happen and the Democrats have no strategy at all to deal with anything pro-actively or even reactively and the faintest hope it can filter down to an election advantage with no real leadership on their own part and few clear words to stem the tide of lies.

The SAME certainty(I can't even grace it with the name of despair or the understatement of doubt and disappointment) goes for the democratic party's prone position. In the mail I received a general, modest survey. In one question they had four "issues" to choose from where their members in Congress should concentrate. Terrorism. New Jobs. Affordable health care. Better schools. They ask whether YOU think Delay should be removed, whether stem cell research should be allowed. Maybe whether the world is flat or round, I don't know.

I don't know about you, but this seems a feeble way to form an agenda. I suppose it might be more constructive to debate the various types of national health care instead of whether we should just let babies die, screw the poor, soak the working class. So why are they asking the majority who are sane, whose vote the Dems do not succeed in getting counted, whether, sort of, like, it's OK to be more Republican?

WTF kind of opposition party or party per se is this? The latest hypnotic MSM mantra of "they don't stand for anything seems to have made the eyelids of the leadership very droopy. They seem the first casualties in any dumb lie and blatant strategy and veer off inconsequentially from a duty that cries out to heaven that stirs the graves of our American forefathers that is punctuated by shrieks of REAL terror in every part of the world where Nero Bush marches our children for his personal profit.

First we need the wrong stuff to TRY and see their duty. Little hope now they can do anything and not bollix it up. Then we need a new generation of real leaders from the real world. And that is not hyperbole. Hey, we are dying down here and you guys want to say "oh well, we're good sports" to crony appointments and GOP lies and tyranny?

My God. I guess it is the cross after all because the good have thrown away their seat at the places of proper stewardship of this fragile planet.

[Octafish]

138. AMEN, PATRICK!

Great post, PATRICK. It deserves its own thread.

The stooge Roberts puts the Supreme Kort back in the BFEE's corner. For a while after the turd Rehnquist's passing, I believe, Justice Stephens was at the helm of a 4-3 good-Justice majority.

If the DEM leadership had the spine, they'd have filibustered the turd Roberts until AFTER all the coming cases were decided -- from the outting Plame treason to Abramoff's influence peddling.

Now, we are left to do the hard and dirty job ourselves. First thing, kick the bums out in 2006. I say that includes any turd Senator who voted for Roberts.

[PATRICK]

141. Delaying the Bush agenda

was a viable and maybe the only thing the Dems COULD do and they just couldn't get a grip.

There are no words for this constant surrender.

[MazeRat7]

132. Good... I hope she gets a big welcome home party, a hug, and a soft bed.

See this post to understand why I say that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4932184

MZr7

[texpatriot2004]

137. "...the Plame-Rove-Libby-Gonzalez-Card scandal..." Huffington

Interesting. Judy Miller may be the source or one of them anyway.

[LSK]

139. maybe her source cut a deal with Fitz

And is squeeling like a pig. Ratting them all out. Now that this source has a deal with Fitz, Miller cant hurt the so-called source.

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

142. Good morning!

Judith is up right now. She is adjusting to being out of jail. It is not as easy as people think. On her first morning, she knows she has to get ready to appear before the grand jury. She has been preparing to tell part of the truth, but to hold much of it back. She's thinking of the VP and Bolton now. And she's thinking about her training, not as a journalist, but as a agent of deceit.

What does Fitzgerald know? Can she play mental chess with this man, who is refusing to play the game? In front of a jury? Does he know about those things she has been instructed to keep quiet about?