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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:53 PM
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Poll question: Why are people on DU becoming so negative toward fellow DUer's?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:56 PM by BlueJac
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:54 PM
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1. We are?
:yoiks:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:55 PM
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2. We're Democrats (most of us). It's what we do... nt
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:56 PM
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3. what?
?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:57 PM
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4. SCREW YOU!!!!!
Just kidding. :)

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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:57 PM
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5. I love it ty
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:59 PM
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6. Really wanted to vote a half a vote for each of the last two. I am
sick of * and it makes me act like a prick. Like flipping off an elderly couple in an SUV with an Eagle on their spare tire cover along with the words "God Bless America" and a "W '04" sticker in the window. I mean it could be a borrowed car or they could have just bought it, no, on second thought they fucking deserved it any sane person would take a cab before they'd ride in that vehicle.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:00 PM
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7. Negative? Who's negative? nt
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:44 PM
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25. No different than from the first day I came aboard.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:04 PM
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8. huh?
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dretceterini Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:07 PM
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9. It's difficult not to feel PO'ed
when you have slime like Bush and his cronies running the government for the next 3 years... :(
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:08 PM
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10. Only pricks say "prick"
Makes em look ignorant


:boring:
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:09 PM
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12. lmao
:toast:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:09 PM
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11. KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:11 PM
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13. Yep - Lame Posts
There are way too many "HOLY CRAP WE'RE SCREWED!!!!!!!!" posts around here. Expect to be bashed if you post that crap.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:15 PM
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14. You are being bashed for posting that lame ass shit......
lol.......

Post something good

:toast:
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:18 PM
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15. Why are you so negative?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 08:18 PM by The Jacobin
:rofl: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:18 PM
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16. I'll add a choice.
Sick of GW and will do nothing but cry.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:18 PM
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17. who can deny there is some intolerance
its pretty bad to be of any minority opinion around here..
intolerance goes under "pricks" catagory i guess
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:22 PM
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18. You can post in the Lounge and be ignored
or Post in GD and get fried. It's your choice.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:23 PM
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19. For me, it is the mind numbingly stupid polls!
It's about time somebody took the initiative and polled on this subject. Keep up the good work.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:32 PM
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20. Get your 1000th post and celebrate!
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 08:33 PM by BlueJac
:party:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:43 PM
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21. Part of the discussion.
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Hanover_Fist Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:07 PM
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22. We are trained to do this
It's called divide and conquer........
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:23 PM
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23. It's always been that way here. There's nothing new.
It's always festering and sometimes it just bubbles up a little. It's probably just because DU is so large and so diverse with so many different agendas.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:35 PM
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24. none of the above..... hadn't noticed
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:50 PM
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26. too many lurkers snooping around...
and don't deny it!!! too many people lurking around, too many trolls being treated like real democrats, and too many jokers to laugh at but not enough jokes. :spank:

Real Democrats listen to criticism and learn from it. Freepers take it personally and respond with slander, outlandish lies, petty trickery, and distortion. Neocons will never question the motives of Delay or Frist, while Democratic leaders only respond with brutal criticism of liberalism..and calls for moderation.

Reagan didn't win by running as a sweet-mouthed moderate, he won by denouncing liberals as immoral, big-government defenders of the IRS..and selling Goldwater's agenda as virtuous and benevolent.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:02 PM
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27. Other: I voted for the "lame" selection, but I personally think
there are lots and lots of freepers who are posting under the guise of "here's the RW email I got" and "here's the Republican spin." Now, I know lots of legitimate DUers, including myself, sometimes post this stuff, but I'm talking about people who are new and post only this sort of stuff plus lounge stuff. I've noticed a few who are on this tip, for lack of a better term, and I'm just waiting for them to out themselves.

As far as I'm concerned, this only shows how desperate they are.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:16 PM
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28. Not all DU'rs - just the hidden trolls and idiots - they deserve it!
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moddemny Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:38 PM
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29. Ask the people who write the Anti-Bill Maher threads........
after almost every show.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:22 AM
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30. Why do you hate America?
:patriot:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:31 AM
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31. Why do you hate us for our freedoms?
:sarcasm:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:44 AM
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32. Should have included "other"
People have to behave with bosses and co-workers, customers and suppliers, spouses, neighbors, kids and with in-laws.

So coming here, under the anonymity of the Internet, one can let go of all the hostility that has accumulated when one has to be civil.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:33 AM
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33. There's a lot going on with this phenomenon that you're referring to.
I'm one of those posters with a tendency to rail against the "far leftists" on this board. While I'm quite willing to admit that, I have to point out that I rail just as strongly against the DLC corporatists, if not more strongly. That's kind of beside the point, but I want people to understand that I am NOT a centrist, or a "moderate." Moderate liberal, perhaps, but nevertheless a solid one. I believe very strongly in liberalism. I support virtually all of our social ideas, and I'm very much in favor of MORE progressive taxation than we have now. I was also against the Iraq War well before the invasion. In fact, the run up to the invasion was one of the worst periods of my life. I dare say that I believe I was probably clinically insane at that time, due to the stress that it put on me, and the shame that I felt in even being an American citizen. The whole of my beliefs in my country were crumbling around me. I hated the people I walked past in the street, for being so willingly ignorant as to support an invasion of Iraq. It was the worst I had ever felt in my life.

But, back to what's going on with the problem you've noted. The problem on DU right now, in my mind, is that on the far leftist side of this board, liberalism is, in fact, being seriously distorted. Recently, many of the views being expressed on this board are not just "leftist"- they are destructionist. I hesistate to call them "anti-American," because I HATE that term- and I've BEEN called it. For the sake of brevity, and because I don't want to hurt anyone in particular or get flamed, I'm not going to list any of those views.

But these views are there. And they're not liberal.

They ARE contrarian. They ARE angry. They also seem to come from a mindset so bitter at the disgusting thing that our country has become that it seems to have lost all rationality and principle.

AND THAT IS THE LAST THING WE NEED RIGHT NOW.

The LAST thing we need to do right now is to lash out blindly at our country. We need to collect ourselves, and re-establish those founding principles of our party and liberalism itself. In doing so, the PC garbage and SOME of the more outlandish academic ideas that we're seeing here need to be put aside. I *am* an intellectual (although most here probably don't understand or even agree with that, due to my posting style), and I'm of the opinion that we most definitely can use some new ideas. But we're not trying to start an insurrection. I'm not interested in a Stalinist government (and I don't think the rest of the country is, either). We're just trying to take our country back. THAT is the point. We need to get our country back. That's not going to happen with off-the-wall stuff. That's not going to happen if we start supporting things like *government-mandated* parenting classes for those expecting babies (sorry, I had to mention one, at least).

This fight isn't about going along with the Republicans so that we can be "mainstream." It's about taking these ideas that are so central to our American way of life, to the founding fathers' principles, and resurrecting them. It's about, once they are revived, showing STRONG BELIEF in those principles- liberty and justice for all (REALLY), a chicken in every pot, the separation of church and state, FREE SPEECH (for fuck's sake!!!), a no-first-strike foreign policy, an ecologically sound environment, transparency in government AND voting (hard to imagine, huh?), fair wealth distribution and healthcare for EVERYONE. It's about showing the courage it takes to prove that we, as Democrats, *deserve* to be in control of this country. Most of all, it's about taking these American principles, these ***liberal*** principles, and re-framing them, *through* our leadership, to literally pull this country back over to our side.

Now, up to this point, I've been awfully nice to our Democratic leadership, in attacking the "far-leftists" in the way that I have. But, let me say this: the *reason* that DU has become such a breeding ground for these far-leftist ideas is the insanely ridiculous lack of leadership from our elected Democrats. Their spinelessness has left an idea/hope vacuum within our party, and it is currently being filled in with nonsense. Yes, all of this COULD have been avoided IF our leadership had taken it upon themselves, even in the recent past, to actually represent strongly what our party stands for- true liberalism. It is, in fact, virtually all Biden's, Clinton's (both of them), Edwards', etc., etc.'s fault that this is happening.

What else do you expect, when a party has been neglected like this- for over a decade?

Our party is GOING to find hope, strength, and principles somewhere. If our leadership doesn't offer it...well....

So, that's my opinion. My HOPE is that those who are looking for leadership and direction in our party can lose the hysteria and pull themselves together. Further, the sooner our Democratic leadership comes around, the sooner that is liable to happen. That's not to say that our leadership hasn't been BETTER in the past year or so- because they have gotten better. I think they're *starting* to "get it." But SO much damage has been done already.

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that we have to keep moving forward. Both sides of this need to figure out what it is that they're doing wrong, and take the corresponding action. If we can make that happen, we'll end up with a very, very strong and well-positioned party for both the 2006 Congressional elections and the big one in 2008.
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