More evidence why we need to 'draft' John Conyers to Lead our Nation.

[understandinglife]

Miller to Testify on Friday

Just learned from the on-line edition of the Washington Post that Judith Miller was released from jail today in exchange for agreeing to testify before the grand jury tomorrow. Apparently, she called Libby and was able to confirm the he was releasing her from her pledge of confidentiality.

Amazingly, Libby's lawyers claim they are shocked, shocked, that their client's failure to provide a waiver of confidentiality had anything to do with Miller refusing to testify for three months, stating innocently "We are surprised to learn we had anything to do with her incarceration." I guess they don't read the conyersblog, because on August 8 I wrote to Mr. Libby pleading for such a waiver.

Anyway, here is to hoping that the testimony breaks Plame-gate wide open. Maybe this is part of the House and Senate GOP strategy of taking the heat off of Frist and Delay by changing the subject from insider trading and money laundering to treason?

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000260.htm

That last sentence!! Zing!!

And, he's blogging at 2310 EDT - for those concerned about his age ;)

Please contact Skinner and support a major DU Activist effort to convice Congressman Conyers to step forward and lead, as described here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4909251

Thank you.


Peace.

[shaggy1974]

1. Yeah, I'm sure that's going to happen

I like Conyers as much as the next guy, but really...impeachment just ain't going to happen. You do understand that they have both houses of Congress, which makes it a wee bit difficult to bring impeachment hearings.

[HuskerDU]

4. That's bullshit.

If we the people keep bombarding the ears of those in power, impeachment will happen. There is more than enough evidence in at least a dozen scandals that rise to the level of impeachment.

If we can influence our friends and neighbors, and have them chant 'impeachment' with us, we would be there in no time.

Fuck backing down because a challenge seems too difficult.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. They have to get re-elected in 2006

And they read the polls. I'm sure in majority of districts in this country people are ready for a change. You have to try anyways. We just have to remind them they work for us including if they are a republican.

[shaggy1974]

13. Which polls are those?

The ones that where Bush's approval ratings have gone up in the past week? I don't mean to be glib, but if you honestly believe that these Republicans (who are exponentially more corrupt than those who convinced Nixon to resign) will impeach Bush...I mean you really don't have a handle on what is actually going on in this country.

[shaggy1974]

9. You do understand

how impeachment happens, don't you? You can chant all you want, but do you honestly believe that the corrupt bag of shit that is the Republican Party will somehow miraculously come to their senses and bring impeachment proceedings against the head of their party? Really? Do you honestly see that happening? If so, I've got some land I'd like to sell you.

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[shaggy1974]

17. Not sure I follow...

[HuskerDU]

20. I think that if the media were doing its job, impeachment would

already be underway, regardless of who is on the judiciary commitee or what their majority is in the house.

Since MSM is not doing its job, it is up to us. If anyone believes the Bush administration, they should look you up for a land deal.

[shaggy1974]

25. Well your logic is certainly impeccable.

[fujiyama]

10. No sorry

He's right.

For impeachment to even be a possibility, Dems need to take back the House. Do you believe for on second Bush can be impeached with the likes of Sensenbrenner in charge of the judiciary committee?

Otherwise it's just meaningless screaming.

[The Traveler]

5. Yeah, but what a 2006 campaign issue

Corruption. A cavalier attitude towards national security imperatives that rationalizes treasonous acts. Gross incompetence. Mismanagement of the people's money. An illegal and immoral war. Gross and uncaring incompetence during a time of crisis. War crimes. Atrocities.

It is time for the American people to choose: Will we retreat from this crap and once more advance on our historic objective of being (relatively speaking) the good guys? Or will we retreat from moral and social progress and become the spritual brethern of Josef Stalin?

We have these issues. Let's take it to 'em, and let the American people decide.

[understandinglife]

8. Whomever you are, by Jan 2007, the Republicans will be so far out ..

... as to be irrelevant for a very long time, and it is quite likely that both Bush and Cheney will have been forced to resign long before Nov 2006.

Our proposed strategy addresses how we drive them out, one way or another, before 2008.

In any event, welcome to DU. Hope you learn something here.


Peace.

[shaggy1974]

16. If we had anything like a real oppostion party...

perhaps that would be the case, but alas, that is not so. Quite likely, that Bush/Cheney will be forced to resign before Nov. 2006? Are you a bettin' person? I would bet everything that I have, and will ever have, that neither one of them will be impeached. Please, Please, come to grips with reality.

[understandinglife]

19. Nice try. PM me with a description of 'what you have' and I'll decide ...

... if I want it. If I do, I'll definitely take the bet.

And, by the way, you may want to read the proposed strategy. The 'impeachment' part of the strategy begins in Jan., 2007, when the Republicans no longer control either the House or the Senate. And, yes, I know precisely how impeachment by the House and trial and conviction by the Senate proceed.


Peace.

[fooj]

22. I'll put all of my chips on UL's premise...

And I'm a bettin' woman!! Got the W-2's to prove it!

Peace.

[AuntiBush]

35. Well...

You' be "surprised" how many Repubs want impeachment, yesterday.

[shaggy1974]

38. Um...

Would you like to offer some sort of proof that Republicans are clamoring for impeachment? Even the smartest, most intellectually honest Republicans that I know, don't want any such thing. Even if they did, do you believe that Republicans in Congress want that? Please.

[Roy]

49. Most people will never be rich

So.... should they just quit trying to do the best they can, maybe beg enough for a bottle of ripple, find a cardboard box and get the meal schedule at the nearest homeless shelter?

Even if Conyers don't get an impeachment, exposing the criminal acts perpetrated on the american public to the greatest extent possible should go full steam ahead.

To quote the freepers... EAGLES UP

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. Honorable Conyers and his type are all that's left of Democracy...

Let's hope for good news.

[Erika]

3. Great post. Conyers is one fantastic man

The corruption of the Republican party is obvious and with an "in your face" attitude. Mr. Conyers has the guts and intelligence to face them.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Yes

I just think he's the best. Him, McKinney, Waters, McDermott. There's so many great Congressman/women who should be in the Senate leading the fight. I wonder why they don't give it a run and bring in some new people for Congress. I would love to see Conyers there instead of Liberman.

[shaggy1974]

11. I believe that Conyers and Lieberman

could be in there at the same time. I don't think it's mutually exclusive.

[SnoopDog]

12. I think Mr. Conyers would be a great president...

As a 'white guy' I think a Mr. Conyers presidency would be 'revolutionary' and probably the best thing that could happen to 'america'.

[Erika]

18. Agreed

The Republicans talk about one America, but walks the walk of racism, poverty, and discrimination.

[shaggy1974]

21. I'm not sure I follow...

Do you really mean white guy, revolutionary, and america? Or are those meant to be ironic phrases, as one would assume from you putting them in "quotes"

[SnoopDog]

33. Sorry for the quotes...

I am simply a regular guy, white, straight, and, I hope, of moral character. I think Mr. Conyers would be exceptional president and because he is 'black' would be revolutionary. (Sorry again for the quotes).

I personally have no bias or prejudice - I 'sort' people into only two categories - good people and bad people (ok, and people I don't have a handle on yet).

Our country is dying and is being destroyed by status quo.

I would welcome any real Patriot and true American who wants to, finally, better America and the World.

No Irony here my friend, we need a real leader - no matter who it is, and Mr. Conyers has what it takes. A few... a few others have it as well...

[fooj]

15. I see all of this as no coincidence...

:popcorn:

[hootinholler]

23. Hmm...

Steering the conversation towards treason? That's telling.

From the GOP big picture it's good strategery. Following the money will lead to a broader exposure. Better to limit it, especially if you have a Pet Goat available to sacrifice.

Just sayin,
-Hoot

[shaggy1974]

24. I'm not so sure

The one thing they've got is the national security stuff...I really don't think they want to change the subject to treason.

[HuskerDU]

26. If they ever had the national security stuff, that myth was

busted in NO.

[shaggy1974]

27. Well

They certainly did "have it." That's not even up for debate...it's why they won the last election...but I'm not so sure in was done in by NO. His numbers have actually risen over the last week.

[hootinholler]

29. Not sure which you mean by National Security Stuff.

If you mean classifying meerely embarassing info, then it makes it a little harder to bring. Ask Sibel Edmunds and the ACLU quest for the Abu Graib photos.

If, on the other hand, mean crying wolf, that hasn't been effective for a couple of years now.

-Hoot

[shaggy1974]

36. What is your evidence

that "crying wolf" has not been effective for a couple of years now? I believe it was exactly that which won them the presidency, just a few short 11 months ago.

[hootinholler]

42. Sorry, I'm on the Diebold plan.

Come on, everyone knows in the back of thier mind since the Duct Tape incident that the administration is crying wolf when they play with the terra level.

The election was made stealable by Kerry's misread of the political seas and not smacking down Booshe. He was a Senator and I'm now convinced the Senate is too polite to yield a viable Candidate for President.

What got the election was a combination attack on the polls:
Discourage Democratic voters via harrassment.
Selectively flip votes to booshe where possible.

In Ohio less than 15 votes per precinct were needed to change the outcome.

-Hoot

Welcome to DU.

[libnnc]

30. Oh? Ya don't say...

:eyes:

[HuskerDU]

31. You are talking about 'in the eyes of the American people'

right?

Everyone on DU knows that our national security has been seriously weakened by Bushco. The response in NO may as well have been a terrorist attack. Again, we need to be the media if some of our friends don't understand this.

[shaggy1974]

34. Yes

That's what I'm talking about. I believe that Bush has made us less safe than pretty much anybody I could imagine...I'm just talking about what the polls show.

[HuskerDU]

37. And thtat's what I'm talkin' 'bout (Willis)

If everyone were as informed on the issues as DU, there would be impeachment pronto. With no MSM, it is up to us.

God bless people like John Conyers who have the guts to say in the halls of congress, what we on DU know to be true.

[shaggy1974]

39. But you see

That's just not true. The Republicans in Congress know exactly what's been going on...they just don't seem to really have any problem with most of it.

[HuskerDU]

40. I said everyone. The Republicans in Congress are not

everyone.

[shaggy1974]

41. But...

that's the only thing that matters. Do you not see that? Do you not understand that the Republicans in Congress have to bring impeachment proceedings? You can shout and chant all you want, but until they decide they want to try to impeach the president (which, by the way, will be....wait for it....wait for it...never) there will be no impeachment of Bush or Cheney.

[HuskerDU]

43. Fine

Put all of your efforts into taking back the House. The reasons folks will vote Dem in '06 are the same reasons Bushco should be impeached.

[Rex]

28. Conyers should run for POTUS.

Make Waxman or Dean the VP. That would make Repukes shit all over themselves.

[shaggy1974]

32. Yeah, that's what it would do.

They'd shit all over themselves. Come on.

[fooj]

45. In plain sight...it's all an illusion.

Truth is our most powerful weapon.

Peace.

[Dinger]

55. Isn't He, Like 76? Well, Tough Shit - We Need Him!

He is a man of integrity, and man of class, a man of intellect, of man of honesty, a man of, by, and for the people, a bu$h ass-kicker, man of peace,
and last, but not least, a man of hope.

[Newsjock]

44. conyers2008.com and conyers08.com are available

As of this writing. Someone should get them now, before someone else does. I'm just saying, that's all.

[understandinglife]

46. Conyers2008 and Conyers08 (.net, .com, .us, and .org) are now ...

... reserved for 1 year. I will gladly transfer ownership of those domains to any bona fide representative of Congressman Conyers, at no cost, should they decide to proceed with his candidacy for President in the 2008 National Election.


Peace.

[BamaBecky]

47. kick

[Donailin]

48. I'm a multi-tasker!

I can handle all manner of subjects at once, especially since all these scandals have one main theme: corruption.

[Nictuku]

50. We Need John Conyers Right where he is now!

Once we take back the House in 2006, John Conyers, the Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee, will become the Chair of the Judiciary Committee. He will be the man to lead the call for impeachment, (which must come from the Judiciary Committee).



Go Johnny go!!!

[understandinglife]

51. You may want to glace at the proposed strategy, as provided by

.... the link in the OP. Here it is, again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4909251

And, you will find another pertinent link in that strategy statement, specifically:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4906530

By the way, any Member of Congress can file 'articles of impeachment.' Our proposed plan of Congressman Conyers moving to the position of Speaker of the House in 2007 would then be followed by a candidacy for President in 2008. None of that would in any way detract his influence and role in the impeachment process, should Bush and Cheney still be in office in Jan., 2007.

At this point, I'm operating from a 'take no prisoners' perspective, so I am not inclined to be distracted by anyone telling me the Congressman Conyers is not the person we need to step forward and inform Bush and Cheney that they have essentially two choices - leave now or be impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate in early 2007.

Thank you for your comments and welcome to DU.


Peace.

[Ellipsis]

52. Kick n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. Skip 2008 BS. Let the 2006 leader win that one first. Then we can talk.

If you want to win 2008, then win 2006 first for momentum and to get the 2008 votes counted.

Focus on one election at a time, advice from two term Democrat President Bill Clinton.

[understandinglife]

54. That is precisely the strategy.

Give it a read (link in the OP, but here it is, as well):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4909251


Peace.