Hey! Why are we feeling sorry for California?

[kentuck]

They wanted Arnold. They got Arnold. He will "terminate" all those bad problems that are bothering the state. He will personally take care of any evil enemies that try to harm his state. Because he is the "Terminator". But they have to understand that they will need to have patience with Arnold. It might take him 2 or 3 years to get the economy started. Too bad they didn't have that patience with Gray Davis but that is water under the bridge. Usually people get the government they deserve. They might want to re-visit Prop 13? The chickens have finally come home to roost. I am going to bed. I refuse to lose any sleep over the decisions of a majority of Californians. Good night... :)

[eileen_d]

1. Hey! Why should I reply to your post?

I shouldn't, because it's horse poop. Guess I'm just another "moran"

[Must_B_Free]

5. Why should I reply to your post?

Just because I don't agree with you?

I agree with Kentuck - they wanted him, they got him no problem.

Instead of a conservative Democrat they got a liberal Republican.

Let them figure out the difference.

[eileen_d]

6. You shouldn't have replied to my post.

I leave it to you to figure out the difference.

[Dr Fate]

2. I wish CA Liberals were more unified...

...I moved to CA from GA in August- one thing that shocked me were "Liberals" who do not vote Democrat or were for the recall...

...it would have been "neat" if the non-DEM Liberals would have helped us campaign AGAINST the recall once Arnold announced...Campaigning for the rcall at that point was surely handing CA to the GOP- SURELY they knew this...

...this is no republican per-se victory- Arnold won on his fame alone, not on republican "values..."

[cprise]

3. And now there is a "socially liberal" Gov. about to put CA through hell

That doesn't help our cause any.

[Deconstructor]

8. Exactly

Arnold did not win on republican values. If the republicans who put him in power had taken five seconds to really look at Arnold's political views they would never have championed him. Now they're going to be in for a shock when it dawns on them that they put a liberal in power!

[cprise]

18. This is funny

If all you care about are social issues, then you may consider Arnold "liberal"; you'll be happy with him.

[w13rd0]

4. Just as the Bush WH brought back all the icons...

...from the Nixon and Reagan years, the Arnie administration will sweep into office with Pete Wilson's old machine, pulling the same scams. ARGHHHH!!! My only post tonight. Let the trolls have their night...pffft...

[Piperay]

7. I can't say anything in my states defense...

I'm TOTALLY disgusted, ashamed and heartsick. :cry:



EDIT: left our a word.

[argyl]

13. It could be worse.My state,Texas,voted out the popular Ann Richards

for a buffoon who was a "celebrity" by right of birth only and a failure in any business he went into..Arnie has been successful in his endeavors; you have to give him that.

However,this recall of a governor solely on the basis of his popularity hit me as the 2002 elections did.I was expecting modest gains and tonight I hoped the power of unlimited money would at last lose.I can only hope this is not a portent of 2004.

If you must cry for your beautiful state I can understand.Regardless of tonight's outcome I love California,its people,and its breathtaking beauty.

[Sapphocrat]

9. Kentuck!

Lose sleep over your comrades here! We're not all part of that damnable "they"!

Your words are enough to make this dyke well up with tears.

Uh, yes, screw the majority of Californians. But don't stop loving those who got screwed (without so much as a kiss)!

[kentuck]

29. I apologize, Sapphocrat...

You and the others on this post are absolutely correct. We have a lot of good people and DU family in California that fought against this travesty. Please accept my apology.

[Sapphocrat]

30. Of course, kentuck...

Accepted immediately and without question. You're one of my heroes around here, you know -- which is why I do care what you think, very much. :)

[FDRrocks]

10. Hey. 74% in

Its a 9% margin on the recall, thats better. Maybe the absentee ballots will be saviors!

[Fatima]

23. Many of those were sent in before the fur began to fly about the

groping and such.

Methinks many of the absentee balloters wish they could "recall" their ballots. Too late!

But that's what you get for voting in haste. After all, the Palast reports about Arnold and Ken Lay first surfaced back in July.

The deed's done, and it's pretty much in the books, so all we can do is sit back and watch what happens. The Gropernator has three years to sink or swim.

Some others said this could have a silver lining- in that other politicos are on notice that they too can be replaced. Like Chimpy McSmirk. And folks, that's a good thing.

[Book Lover]

11. Ah, yes ... we ... they ...

This helps the progressive cause how? Oh, that's right - it doesn't. How does this sound: I refuse to lose sleep over the statement of some hick, because I'm an arrogant New Yorker. All you Kentuckians are hicks, right?

[kskiska]

12. I watched all the wingnuts rejoicing the night Bloomberg won.

It was short-lived. Same here. Good night.

[VOX]

14. Hey, kentuck, you should know better! Who the hell are "they?"

It ain't me, or anyone I know, who all voted against the recall. It ain't the people of my county, who voted in the majority against the recall.

I don't recall you ever posting the likes of "Americans wanted Bush, they got Bush." What makes you think that this California battle was something other than that kind of power-grab?

Tonight, you can "refuse to lose any sleep over the decisions of a majority of Californians," but this conflict affects you in a big way come 2004.

Don't turn your back on California!

[angka]

15. yeah, you're right.

largest state in the nation, 1/5 of the fucking world's economy, fuck `em. in fact, why don't we just not bat an eye when california turns red on election night?

grr

[JI7]

16. i'm in california

and somewhat in agreement with you. the morons don't care for the facts and details. they voted for arnold because he made them feel good. they voted for the movie star, the terminator. gray davis was boring to them. that's why polls show them saying they don't like him but don't really know why. gray davis likes to discuss policy in detail. the morons don't want that. they want the fucking terminator who will give speeches full of his movie references. it's the moron americans who voted for george w bush because they wanted to have a fucking beer with him.

[YourDad]

17. you're right

it sounds so scary. could americans really be this way? more and more i am seeing they probably are.

[Fatima]

24. Yes, I was frustrated to hear this repeatedly

while listening to caller after caller defend him on KGO...

(I listen on the Internet here on the East Coast)

One guy who called Ray Taliaferro to defend Ahhhhnold said he thought Ray was "making it all up" regarding the Ken Lay secret meetings and then actually admitted he did not know who Ken Lay was...yet he raved and ranted about Davis and the energy crisis and how Davis just had to be ousted. Go figure. What naked ignorance! How can any Californian not know who Ken Lay is? He was of the principal bandits of the energy crisis!

This is what saddens me the most- the laziness, the lack of a will to really look beneath the surface and the pretty exterior. Even my husband, normally a pragmatic guy, saw no problem with Arnold. After all, he's the "Terminator!"

And not to knock my California friends...this is an American phenomenon, not merely a Californian trait. A problem we must all struggle to fight in the runup to the 2004 election.

Sad...very sad.

[Nedley]

19. Arnold will find out

this won't be a cakewalk for him. He's got his work cut out for him heheh.

[areschild]

22. Just an early morning thought...

How do we know that Arnold Gropengrabber will actually be running the state of CA anymore than that Creep in the WH is actually running the Country of America? Seems to me that the neocons in WA are getting more and more involved in local governments, and dictating who will run and who will have to drop out.

Just thinkin'......:shrug:

[newyawker99]

28. Hi Nedley!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Raine]

20. We don't need your sympathy

but you better watch over your own state's shoulders because it can happen anywhere else next.

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Ain't that the truth!

:-(

[uhhuh]

25. This sucks

You know that the only audience you have here is full of people who didn't want this to happen. You know that, aside from a few trolls, the people reading this fought hard to prevent this.

Those same people(I'm one of them by the way) don't deserve ahnold and you know it. If you were posting this on some random political forum, I could see why you might say this, but EVERY one of the California DUers I have seen post here didn't apreciate this RW power grab, and then you come along and twist the knife. What level of bitterness has engulfed you to lash out at the people here?

You are not saying this to the general public here, you are saying this to people who voted against ahnold.

I say that it's Kentucky's fault that we have chimpy as resident. If you guys wouldn't have voted for him, he would have only had 263 electoral votes. Is that fair? To say that all the bullshit you and I and the rest of the country has had to endure is your fault? My state voted against the chimp, did yours? My state has two Dem senators, does yours? Should I lose any sleep tonight over what you have to deal with there? It's your fault you know.

I know I got nasty at the end there, but I hope it illustrates to you how it feels to have to feel like it's your fault when you did what you could to stop this.

[foreigncorrespondent]

26. Hey! Why are we feeling sorry for California?

Ummm, because we have DU family living in CA, who are now going to have to grim and bare the next how ever many years shit for brains is going to be there.

[goobergunch]

27. Here's who I feel sorry for

The 3,431,864 people that voted NO on the recall. Punishing them along with the YES votes is blaming the victim IMHO.