How will Arnold's Pro-Choice/Pro-Gays stand up in Bush's repuke party?

[LynneSin]

Seriously

I'm just as upset as everyone else about this election, but Arnold has come out many times to say he pro-choice and supports Gay&Lesbian rights.

This is not Bush's political platform and right-wing fundies aren't going to be too keen of bringing Arnold too deep into the fold.

I had a crappy night sleep about this mess in California and then I realized something, things could be worse. We can let this whole California thing distract us for the next 13 months or we can keep on working to accomplish our ultimate goal - get Bush out in 2004.

[Cha]

1. It's all good! the repukes never Again can talk about morality...

they are Through trotting out their morals.

[jbfam4]

5. Right

What are we going to tell the children...? They sure were worried about that during the impeachment.

[jbfam4]

2. They have plans for Arnold

Hatch is trying to have the constitution amended so that anyone who has been a citizen for 20 years can run for president....These guys are thinking ahead........

[leftynyc]

10. Since primary voters virtually decide

who the candidate will get the nomination and they tend to be the most partisan voters, I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish but pushing a very liberal (on social issues) candidate. I mean, do you really see Arnie putting a Scalia or Thomas on the bench?

[arwalden]

3. I'm So Confused...

... all indications I'm aware of show that he's supports equality for gays and lesbians "in-theory", but not in practice. Also it's my understanding that he is opposed to partner-benefits (insurance, medical, etc.) for state employees.

I'm afraid that what we have here is another stealth-bigot... says one thing, does another. He's another Borg. A puppet. One mind, hive mentality.

If I'm being unfair or if I'm wrong... someone please let me know. I'd love to see more folks in our corner regardless of their political stripes.

-- Allen

[Democrats unite]

7. I don't think your being unfair

I think your right on the money.

[wellstone_democrat]

17. thank you Allen!

He doesn't tangibly support these so-called "positions" of his on "liberal" issues.

This whole belief in his pro- gay/women/whatever true beliefs is about as valid as all that nonsense about "Maria-the-Democrat's-influence" that was endlessly posted here at the start.

You can be absolutely, positively sure that:
a. none of those "liberal" positions will result in policies or laws that affect anyone's life
b. a man who regular "gropes" and vulgarly propositions women openly within his own community is not "influenced" by his wife

[Raster]

4. YOU'RE RIGHT...

...the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is that geedubya and $hrubco are defeated in 2004. We can then begin to fix the multiple messes that this cabal of miscreants has created. As a former resident of CA, I am VERY disheartened about the recall. But it's not as if the situation(s) weren't ready to give long before this. Look at the recall and ahnuld issue thusly: even more than pleasing the Gross.Old.Perverts, ahnuld has to answer to sooo many of the hollywood glitterati that supported him. Because of his leftist leanings, ahnuld can never truly be part of the G.O.P. fold.

[LoneStarLiberal]

6. It'll Hold Until the Primaries

Arnold would have never made it through a Republican primary in California.

He won't make it through the next primary even though he is a Republican incumbent. Not unless he moves further to the right on some key Republican issues.

[Bozola]

8. Let me say it again.

If you believe anything a republican says you've already lost. They have and will say ANYTHING to get into power, and once in power they will DO anything to stay there. They don't consider it hypocrisy; that only applies to dealings with their friends, whom you certainly aren't!

In their eyes you are just another poor sucker to fleece, abuse, and discard like a spent condom.

[DealsGapRider]

9. Pragmatism

I think the Repugs are better at putting ideology aside and selecting candidates with the most electability. They would rather win than cleave to their principles. Take Bush. He was not the most conservative of the Repug candidates. But he was arguably the most electable. Same with the Gropenator.

[snippy]

11. I see it as an opportunity for the democrats.

I see Arnold's win as an opportunity to force the republican party to be either closer to 100% or closer to 0% Reich wing fundamentalists. Either is fatal for the republican party.

Democrats should use Arnold's win to redefine the new republican party as being socially moderate. Democrats always, always, always should identify Arnold's positions on social issues as "moderate" and refer to the new republican party as often as possible. Democrats should say "we are willing to work with Arnold and we hope that all republicans, everywhere, including president Bush, will adopt his moderate views on social issues." This will drive the Reich wing fundamentalists ballistically apeshit, frothing at the mouth and bleeding from every other orifice with uncontrollable hatred and intolerance.

This in turn will force Whistle Ass and the republican party to either approve or disapprove of Arnold's "moderate" views on social issues. If Whistle Ass and the party choose to side with Arnold, the Reich wing fundametalists will become demoralized and many will stay home. If Whistle Ass and the party choose to side with the Reich wing fundamentalists, millions of decent Americans will be disgusted and reject the republican party. Maybe even Arnold will switch parties.

Of course Whistle Ass and the republican party would never lose 100% of the Reich wing fundamentalist vote. There has never been a politician or party that lost 100% of a portion of their base and there never will be. But the turnout of the base can vary significantly.

Close elections are won by turning out your base in a higher percentage than your opponent and by keeping the independent vote close. This is why so much time and money is spent trying to motivate your base and demoralize your opponent's base. If you carry the independent vote easily you win by a comfortable margin.

If the Reich wing fundamentalists are demoralized by the direction of the new republican party, some percentage will simply stay home. If that percentage is large enough, lots of republicans, including Whistle Ass, will lose.

[pinerow]

12. Hate to burst your bubble, Arnold has come out emphatically

against any "domestic partner" arrangement. How people can square that with is so-called "pro-gay" stance is beyond me.

[Snellius]

13. Alan Keyes: "Arnold Schwarzenegger is on the evil side"

Arnold's corruption of Republican Party

I have an urgent message in my heart, and I will speak plainly about it, as I feel I must. It concerns Tuesday's recall election in California. First, two unhappy facts must be faced.

On all the matters that touch upon the critical moral issues, Arnold Schwarzenegger is on the evil side. This is a fact. A mere list of the positions he supports is enough to make this plain: abortion as a "right," cloning of human beings, governmental classification of citizens by race, public benefits for sexual partners outside of marriage, disrespect for property rights against environmental extremism, repudiation of the right to bear arms – no more need be said to show that this candidate is wrong where human decency, human rights and human responsibility bear directly on political issues.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34940

[snippy]

15. I like it. The evil REPUBLICANS attacking the EVIL republicans.

This should be fed and nourished and encouraged to grow.

[Terwilliger]

14. he's `pro-gay'??

He already said he wouldn't sign any enhancement of domestic paretner laws. Where is he pro-gay?

[JI7]

16. same as for Rudy Giuliani

they are nothing but "Stars" to bring attention and money to the party . arnold is a moron they marketed in a way to get people to vote for him and advertised him on shows like oprah, leno,.