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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:05 AM
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OK, lets watch Arnold divide the Cali Republican Party
In between ducking accusations of misbehavior, Arnold is now going to be forced to work with the Dem statehouse in order to get ANYTHING accomplished. Don't be surprised if he's forced to raise taxes or slash and burn half of the programs in California.

Things Arnold will do that will piss off Repugs:
1. Protect a woman's right to choose.
2. Raise taxes (Especially if he repeals the car tax at 8 billion a year).
3. Work with Democrats (He has to).

Things Arnold won't do that will piss off Repugs:
1. Arnold probably won't repeal the drvers licence for immigrants program, it's simply to hot of a political issue to touch.
2. Arnold probably won't start executing death row inmates by the hundreds.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:08 AM
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1. Hey, Hey, Hey!!!
The Japanese Parliament is much more civilized than Cali right now!
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:10 AM
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2. You think he's going to stand by his lib tendencies?
He's going to drop those quick and get into the GOP lockstep.

Just watch. I wonder about this guy's lib principles anyway.

He's a sexual predator and nazi sympathizer.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:11 AM
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3. Aunald will "pump up" Cali-fo-nia
I'm one California that won't bend over to take it.

Get over it? I don't think so.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:11 AM
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4. Actually, he'll probably pull it to the center, which will make them...
...harder to beat.

McClintock isn't going to complain about arnold if he's dismantling the UC system, protecting corporations from having their property valuations increased to reasonable levels, shifting wealth to the wealthy, etc.

Trust me, Republicans don't really care about the social wedge issues, except to the extent that they get poor people to vote Republican. If they don't need the wedge issues because poor people aren't religious and racist, then they'll dump the wedge issues and find some other tool (pssst...like strong man fascism).
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:13 AM
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5. HE won't have to work with Democrats..wake up and smell the coffee
He is a star, got plenty of media and will continue to get it. Republicnas got overall nearly 2 million more votes than Democrats if you read the results closely.

Pete Wilson is behind him pulling the strings and Bush will run around with a movie star and will take California.

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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:20 AM
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8. I don't think Bush will win California
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 10:21 AM by diplomats
Calif. having a Repuke governor in 1992 and '96 didn't hurt Clinton. And Arnold could very well be unpopular, which won't make him an asst for Bush.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:28 AM
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11. But today is different
In 1992 & 1996 The press wasn't all that bad, today it's a GOP ally
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:37 AM
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12. Pete Wilson was NOT a celebrity and Arnold's failures will be blamed
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 10:38 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
on Davis. Democrats had momentum in this state TWICE in the last year. Once before the election when Bustamante interrupted it by forcing Davis to sign a piece of legislation he would have signed anyway after elected ( Bustamante ACTIVELY TOLD LATINOS NOT TO VOTE FOR DAVIS 2 weeks prior to the election) and when this recall was FIRST certified MOMENTUM was against it. Again Bustamante appealed to a SMALL sect of voters, took advice from Washington and DIVIDED and interrupted the MOMENTUM. The negative press created by him and Ritchie Ross didn't help either and created a FRONT of disarray.

His stupid ass TOUGH LOVE bullshit was BEYOND pathetic and his appeal to SINTAXES was hardly popular - in case you didn't notice the California WINE industry is a powerful lobby in the state (The only person more hated in Hollywood than Arnold is ROB FUCKING REINER)

Democrats do not understand momentum to their own disadvantage.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:18 AM
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6. The smartest thing the CA legislature
could do would be to refuse to work with him. Since it's overwhelmingly Dem, that shouldn't be too difficult.
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Chamfer Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:20 AM
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7. I think Arnold is going to kill the 'elephant in the living room'
The 'elephant' that is killing California and that everyone knows is killing California but is too afraid to do anything about is the drag of illegals on the treasury. Arnold, feeling like a freewheeler, will undue this. We all know his position on Prop 187. Arnold will get the illegal alien driver's license bill reversed, he will stiffen the path of illegals. He will be able to repeal the heavy car tax. These are the things that everyone across the country can see needs to be done, and Arnold who feels beholden to no one, will try to get those things done. And if he is able to do it, he will be difficult to beat next time.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:24 AM
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9. Somehow I think Calif. problems are a lot bigger
than illegal immigrants and that car tax. How is he going to deal with the huge deficit?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:40 AM
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13. There isn't a huge deficit now..it is 8 billion dollars
Arnold can settle the energy case for pennies on the dollar, make more cuts annually and VOILA..he has saved the state.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 11:56 AM
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15. I don't think Arnold can save the state.
California is sinking. The United States is sinking.

I was a strong supporter of Davis because I thought he had some chance of saving this ship, and in any case, he was very well prepared to get everyone he could into the lifeboats just as soon as that became necessary.

Arnold (and Republicans in general) think they can save the ship by tossing people and programs overboard. It is an "appease the storm" mentality, something right out of the very darkest corners of human superstition.

They believe their "gods" don't like them, maybe because we gave those "illegal" aliens driver's licenses, or because we didn't stone the unwed mothers to death, or whatever...

Arnold's comment about "the god's" and his impending victory was very telling.

Argghhhhh! I wrote a long rant here, but now I've thought it wiser to delete it.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, George W. Bush, you are both pigs, right out of George Orwell's Animal Farm.

Who are you going to send to the knacker next?
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:26 AM
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10. Wouldn't it be ironic if he converted to the Democratic Party?
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 10:26 AM by gully
I dont see it happening but???? He is socially very liberal. I wonder how this will play out... Should be interesting to say the least.

I know his wife constantly asks him why he's a Republican, maybe they'll turn on him so bad, he'll switch before election 2004? ;)
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 10:47 AM
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14. Wannta Bet hes is a Closet Democrat
I thought the same thing..actually I think Arnold is a Democrat in Rebulican clothing!
He didn't run Democrat because of Davis and had to run under the Rebublican Banner to get the Republican voters behind him.....He also had to get the Media whores in line....
If they were true "die in the wool" republicans they would have voted for McClintock....
Just my thoughts.....
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:20 PM
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16. Experts Split on Implication of Schwarzenegger Win
This is an article that sums up both sides pretty well.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031008/pl_nm/politics_california_implications_dc

Experts Split on Implication of Schwarzenegger Win
By Alan Elsner, National Correspondent

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - As politicians and pundits digested Arnold Schwarzenegger's stunning victory in California, some saw the vote as a major boost to President Bush but others doubted whether the result had national implications.

"I don't think it has national reach. Schwarzenegger had publicity, had money, he had poise and most importantly he was not Gray Davis. But California is still a Democratic state and I don't see that changing just because people are mad at Gray Davis," said Steven Wayne, a political scientist at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.

(snip)

Gary Jacobson, a political scientist with the University of California, San Diego said Schwarzenegger might have a better chance of dealing with the budget crisis than Gray Davis, but only if he was brave enough to raise taxes. If not, he would be forced to cut spending on health and education, making him equally unpopular.


"It won't help Bush in 2004 and it may even hurt him a bit because he'll have a Republican presiding over California's budget mess," he said.

more....
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