Why Is Everyone Saying "Although Bush Did the Right Thing in Iraq?"

[heidiho]

and then on to disapprove of his methods. Even Dems are prefacing their statements with this disclaimer.

Why aren't we howling about the fact that this war was about oil, big business and $$$ - NOT removing Saddam and making life better for the Iraquis (which it isn't).

I can't tell you how many people are saying that Bush was brave and had the courage of his convictions to go to Iraq even if he had bad intelligence or manipulated the intelligence.

We all know that this idiot was hell-bent on going to "war" with Iraq from the beginning. We all know he invaded before the inspectors were finished to avoid their report of no WMD's.

I don't get it.

[CWebster]

1. because they were told

that is what they think.

[Loonman]

2. Costs are not outweighing dubious benefits

Everything we've said about the invasion has panned out, so far.

Shrub was going to go after Saddam no matter what.

[jmcgowanjm]

3. because we now live in an Empire

We have ProGovMedia and the Loyal Opposition is loyal to
the Empire first.

Who Is Buried in Bush's Speech?
The truth has been shot! Round up some unusual suspects.
By Michael Kinsley
Posted Monday, July 14, 2003, at 3:53 PM PT

http://takebackthemedia.com/ , one of the
original 13 cyber colonies.

[jmcgowanjm]

6. cheney under pressure to resign -BritMedia

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=424786
Niger uranium wasn't the only lie in SOTU03.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61622-2003Jul15.html?nav=hptop_tb

[RobinA]

4. Because

we "won" the "war." That's why this issue is going to eventually die down. Bottom line is that we kicked a bad guy's butt. That's all most people need to know. Had we lost, reaction would be quite different.

[Skittles]

9. we won the war?

exactly what did we win besides oil fields?

[RobinA]

17. Our Military Beat Their Military

or so the thinking goes. This isn't my stance, this is what seems to be the thinking on the street. It's why I think this Niger letter flap will blow over. Most people look at this as "no harm, no foul."

(Don't argue with me that there IS harm, I know it. But people figure if we beat them there's nothing to complain about.)

[Terwilliger]

5. Because Democrats are still afraid of him

[KG]

15. truth.

[robbedvoter]

7. Not everyone. Clark said this war was idiotic, I doubt Dean

or Kuchinich use that obligatory kiss up. It's prolly unavoidable for those who voted for it and mediawhores who cheered for it.

[librechik]

8. It's Wednesday's Memo. Tuesday was "overblown"

They're like cogs in a vast machine. All the talking heads spout the same exact garbage. Pull the string and it says "right thing in Iraq"

[Az]

10. Complex little question

Lets boil it down to the notion that there was a succesful marketing campaign to foist all the frustratoin and anxiety in our society on Saddam's little back.

When the ColdWar ended the right lost its favored boogieman. The military industrial complex has a strong representation in the right. In order for them to continue to make a profit they need fear and anxiety thoughout the society. These factors not only make it easier to sell weapons but also enable those that would use them to control the population. Thus it was that Saddam became a convieniant replacement for fear of the USSR.

The NeoCons have been searching for something to replace the USSR with and Saddam was a convieniant second runner. Not quite up to the task of being the #1 boogieman but useful enough to keep around. Thus you could expect to hear a story from time to time of some autrocity Saddam had committed. Saddam entered into the collective conscious as an irritant.

In truth Saddam was contained. He was going nowhere (which is exactly where the right wanted him). So when 9/11 happened and a nation cried out for retribution there was a ready made target in the form of Saddam. Since we had our new fully approved boogieman (terrorism) a small time player like Saddam was no longer needed. So the NeoCon's decided to use him to stoke patriotism by stomping on a ready made villain.

People didn't have to think about attacking Iraq. We had already dehumanised the entire society. This is the first step necissary to get a people to attack another. We are naturally reluctant to go to war with people we feel a connection with. The default condition is to find some connection with a people. There has to be an investment in dehumanising a people before a society will jump at the idea of war.

For many people the argument about justification is simply to placate the liberals. In their mind no WMDs were necissary. The fact that Bush had to even provide a reason to some was ridiculous. Saddam and the Iraqi's had already been reduced to demons. They were Evil. Note the capital E. You do not abide Evil. You smite it. Any talk of justification is just the Devil trying to find a loophole. Thus the fanatical right grows more irritated the more the left calls for justification.

[jmcgowanjm]

11. cnnfm discussing now : wilkie-garbage grade intel

niger doesn't add up

[jmcgowanjm]

12. more than 16 words-cnnfn

not good enough-wilkie

calls or comments for wilkie-call in now

[jmcgowanjm]

13. Bush caught in another lie

"The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful."

[bunnyhop]

14. i never said bush did the right thing in iraq

The american people never gave two sh!ts about the iraqi people. Lots of americans are glad that iraqi civilians got killed. And they're glad the price of gas has come down so they can keep their expeditions. The war was about killing arabs and stealing oil.

[Cocoa]

16. to keep the two issues separate

pro-war/antiwar vs. intelligence problems.

These are not the same questions. If dems want to get anywhere with the intelligence investigations, they have to stay focussed. The gop, which is resisting the investigations, would like the two to be confused.

On top of the war issue, the gop and the whores would also like to add general hatred of Bush, and revenge for the Clinton impeachment. I hate Bush, and would love revenge for Clinton, but the dems can't let any such suggestion enter the conversation, it would kill off the whole thing.

[EAMcClure]

18. The long and the short of it

All elected Dem officials in the federal government will stand by the Iraq war because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is mired in the Pentagon and its myriad contractors. Don't forget that all the senators and representatives receive a cut of what pork they hand to the weapons manufacturers, the oil industries, the energy industries, etc. This cut goes to keep them on the job. Using taxpayer dollars in this way is tantamount to laundering and embezzlement, but heaven forfend anyone comes out and says it.

The Iraq war, as far as elected federal Dem officals are concerned, was a just war because their coffers are being filled. They are secretly grateful that Bush was mad enough to put us in this mess and at the same time openly lie so as to give them the ammunition to try and take him down. The Pentagon and NSC owns most of those guys, even Kerry.

Look at the senators and congressmen who were against Iraq from the beginning and I will show you that their seats were safe. Robert Byrd could have lost all the Pentagon $$$ and still remain in office thanks to his position as head of appropriations... his fingers are in more than enough pies, removing the biggest one still leaves him powerful enough to question policy.

Bush is merely symptomatic of the disease from which our government is suffering: CORRUPTION. Using tax dollars to privatise costs, subsidize risks, and take a cut from the bottom lines for their re-election. Until this is remedied, we the people will continue to suffer from our government's evil, no matter who is in the highest office.