OMG! Rumsfeld blasts Condi Rice - says she didn't tell the truth

[janekat]

on crossfire.

[youngred]

1. Trouble in paradise

What else did he say and in what context?

[jpgray]

5. Yeah; help us cable-less folks out!

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[Cha]

2. Oh Oh!

We know that and now rummy is blurting it out?

[MidwestTransplant]

3. I KNOW you are going to add more detail! :)

n/t

[karlschneider]

19. Here's a link, not a lot of detail

http://www.msnbc.com/news/977673.asp?0cv=CB10

[neuvocat]

47. Actually it says a lot:

Like this: "But people close to the Pentagon said on Tuesday that Mr. Rumsfeld’s account appeared to be at odds with that of Ms. Rice who told the New York Times that she had devised the new structure with Mr. Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, the secretary of state, and Dick Cheney, the vice-president."

[BigBigBigBear]

4. Empires

crumble under the weight of their own lies, arrogance and self-delusion.

It's a beautiful thing to behold, isn't it?

[javadu]

6. Being a Cube Rate Really Sucks n/t

[dbt]

10. Try being an UNEMPLOYED cube rat!

THAT sucks so hard you'd swear the wind was blowing!

:evilgrin:
dbt

[javadu]

15. Your Right

Didn't mean to offend anyone, but I would love to see the meltdown that it happening right now. Is it as bad as the post seems to suggest?

[dbt]

28. No offense taken, javadu!

Just pointing out that if I get any more of this Economic Recovery, it's going to kill me!

:toast:
dbt

[central scrutinizer]

7. details, please!

Does this refer to his ridiculously disingenous comment about how "unfortunate" it would be if the Iraq war was based on suspect intelligence?

[janekat]

8. They only had a quick blurb on it...

I'll try to find something on google news.

[Avalux]

9. He's angry

very very angry. Rummy feeling humiliated cause chimpy gave the prize to Condi and now she's gonna pay for it. Love it.

[Cha]

11. What "prize"? the employee of the month?

[Avalux]

12. Iraq

she's in charge now.

[Jacobin]

16. Oxymoron=Condi In Charge of Iraq

bwaaahahahahaha.

Rummfilled should be glad the monkey's off his back!!

[Cha]

42. REally? I don't keep up with their deadly musical chairs.

[0007]

38. Condi gets her picture hung in the hall

and a parking space for employee of the month. Ms. Rice will be honored at a dinner and get to sit next to the lump.

[lovedems]

13. Yes, somebody post details!

Rummy appears to be in the "If I am going down, I am taking somebody with me!" mode! YEAH!

[Classical_Liberal]

14. Doesn't surprise

They will sacrifice the black liar before Rumsfeld the liar.

[slaveplanet]

17. the biggest liars

always pick on the most inept liars

anyone who can't see through Condi's lies since well before the Iraqi war needs to have their head examined.

these guys love to eat their own

[DrBB]

18. I hate threads like this!

I mean, thanks for letting us know, but... WHAT exactly? A little context, okay, please?

[Avalux]

This could be big

apparently, Rummy was not informed of the change of command. He was not told in advance that Condi would be taking over the reconstruction of Iraq and he's pissed. Will try to find a link to verify.

[caledesi]

37. I guess Rummy is now "out of the loop"? Wonder if he will get the

BIG hint and resign? Methinks he's going down soon.

[paulsbc]

21. i agree

the threat title and first post have little to do with the article. massive distortion of what Rumsfeld (sic) said...

[janekat]

27. Sorry - I was quoting Begala - should have made that more clear

When I heard him say that Rumsfeld accused Rice of lying I just about dropped my teeth.

[paulsbc]

31. no problem

just don't want to get my hopes up :)

[janekat]

23. dupe

[TacticalPeek]

32. You got it right. Rummy says Rice lied about consuting him.

Per the links posted to MSGOP, FT, Crossfire quote, etc.

Comdi has trouble telling lies, she shakes a lot. (For those who don't 'understand English', as RumDum puts it, there is always body language.)

I'd like to see video of him snapping at the FT reporter. At least a photo, fangs and all?

[janekat]

20. Uh-oh they never told him he was demoted - he found out from the NY Times

http://www.msnbc.com/news/977673.asp

"Donald Rumsfeld, U.S. defense secretary, said on Tuesday he had not been told by President George W. Bush or the National Security Council that the White House was to restructure the handling of postwar Iraq before the media were briefed on the plan by NSC officials."

[ignatius]

46. BWAHAAHAA!! Our brave chimp in chief doesn't even have the guts

to tell Rummy he's demoted.

I would love to have seen Rummy's face when he read that article. I hope to God he doesn't have a dog, he will probably cripple it tonight.

Forget Master Card and Visa, this is fucking PRICELESS!!!

[kainah]

22. Transcription of Begala's comments re: yesterday's FT story

Begala during the opening "political alert": "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld tells today's Financial Times that NSC head Condoleeza Rice was not telling the truth when she said the new plan giving her a larger role in Iraq policy was devised in collaboration with Mr. Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld also blasted Dr. Rice for briefing the New York Times about the reorganization which was in a classified memo. In other news, two more of our soldiers died yesterday in Iraq and pResident Bush's* team at home seems to be in disarray. Mr. Bush* needs to fire Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. They're the architects of a disaster and yet they are worrying about protecting their turf and attacking each other when they ought to be protecting our troops and attacking terrorists."

Tucker Carlson: "It's pretty embarrassing when a fight like this plays out on the pages of the Financial Times. I have to say, in Secretary Rumsfeld's defense, he was out of the loop and he completely admitted it. Unlike most bureaucratic infighters, who say 'no, I knew all along,' he said, 'actually, I had no idea.' He said to a reporter, 'don't you understand English? I said I was out of the loop.' So he gets points for directness and candor."

Begala: "For directness and candor. I'm wondering why the pResident has as his National Security Advisor someone who the Defense Secretary says didn't tell the truth."

Carlson: "Well, it's more complicated than that but I would just say, bottom line, it's the pResident's policy so if you don't like the policy in Iraq, hold the pResident accountable for it."

That's it, folks! Nothing really too dramatic, if you've already read the Financial Times story.

[Avalux]

24. Ny Times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/08/international/middleeast/08CND-RUMS.html?ex=1066276800&

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Tucker said, Hold the president accountable!

We're trying, we're trying, Tucker. But the guy is an oily bugger.

[Bandit]

40. "about the reorganization which was in a classified memo."

So Condi is giving out Classified information to the NY Times. I thought leaking Classified Information was a crime.

[JasonBerry]

25. Read the article about Rumsfeld in ATLANTIC MONTHLY

The latest Atlantic Monthly has a great article looking at Rumsfeld's past. Interesting stuff and very well done. Nixon despised the "interference" of Rumsfeld in Vietnam strategy. Rumsfeld was supposed to be a domestic policy adviser, but was outspoken, too often, as a dove. Maybe a little of the OLD Rummy is returning. He was always considered a moderate-liberal Republican in the Nixon-Ford years....I've always wondered what happened for him to embrace the neocon line on foreign policy.

[central scrutinizer]

29. I wouldn't trust Atlantic Monthly

They have turned into the house organ for the neo-cons - I work the puzzler each month and then throw the rest of it out.

[JasonBerry]

34. Facts are facts

I thought the article was interesting in that it showed the CHANGES of Rumsfeld. There was nothing to trust about the article. I remember very well Rummy being a dove in those years. When he toyed with the presidency in 1988, Republicans saw him as the old Rockefeller wing of the party. That's just the truth. It's the CHANGE that's so interesting and how so few ever talk about it.

[Emboldened Chimp]

30. Thanks for the heads-up

I'm printing it right now!

Here it is for all those interested...

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/interviews/int2003-10-08.htm

[JasonBerry]

35. Actually...that's just an interview

That is interesting as well, but unfortunately, it's just an interview with James Mann, the author of the "Rumsfeld's Roots" article.

[Emboldened Chimp]

36. Oh

Well, I'll read nonetheless.

[janekat]

33. More on topic....

White House Seeks to Minimize Iraq Differences With Rumsfeld
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/08/international/middleeast/08CND-RUMS.html?ex=1066276800&en=9234d7e6cbdbc4f0&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

"The White House sought today to play down differences with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who voiced a rare public complaint on Tuesday after being left in the dark about a change in the handling of postwar Iraq."

-snip-

"In an interview in Colorado Springs on Tuesday with The Financial Times and other European news organizations, Mr. Rumsfeld said neither President Bush nor Ms. Rice had told him in advance of the new entity.

The fact that Mr. Rumsfeld was not informed is puzzling at first glance, since he and Ms. Rice are both members of the National Security Council, whose chairman is the president."

-snip-

"Ms. Rice said over the weekend that she had conferred with Mr. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Vice President Dick Cheney about setting up the new entity. But her account seemed at odds with Mr. Rumsfeld's recollection. He told reporters that he did not recall the change being discussed. "I wouldn't know how to comment on it," he said.

At one point, when the interviewer persisted, the secretary lost his patience. "You don't understand English?" Mr. Rumsfeld said. "I was not there for the backgrounding," a reference to the briefing given to The New York Times."

[coldwatercyn]

39. Rummy

Wait for the WH to dispel any nonsense that there is trouble between Condi and Rummy. Bush is in trouble and this doesn’t make him look like he has a handle on his people (read Rumsfeld).

Everyone should watch FRONTLINE on Thursday (as they say…check local listings). It’s about Iraq and how we are doing so far. Should be interesting.

[TacticalPeek]

41. Hint from Dana Priest at WaPo

Arlington, Va: Would you agree the recent 'operational-ization' of the NSC with Iraq stability responsibility suggests White House displeasure with DoD and some desperation to provide good news for the 2004 election?

How do you see this new and large NSC responsibility affecting all their other equally-important anti-terrorism responsibilities?

Dana Priest: Potentially. The story on page A10 today, about Rumsfeld being caught unawares, is instructive. Either it's an end run around him or it's complete window-dressing because he's still in charge. Should become clear very soon.

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/r_nation_loebpriest100803.htm

[Old and In the Way]

43. Condi won't be able to handle Don.....

Mark my words, she'll be set up to take the fall.

OTOH, who knows? Maybe this is the plan...free Rummy up to focus on the next acquisition.

[coldwatercyn]

44. WH backpeddling

according to CNN. More later....

[frank frankly]

45. kick

:kick: