Is Arnold a citizen of Austria and US? If so: Amend against it

[FullCountNotRecount]

I really am against dual citizenship. Does that make me a jingoistic person?

[RogueTrooper]

1. No, but how is Arnold an Austrian citizen

As part of becoming a US citizen you need to revoke your previous nationality. What rules did Arnold get broken in his favor, and by whom?

[MercutioATC]

2. You don't have to renounce your previous nationality...

There are plenty of people with dual citizenship (a friend's wife who is Canadian/American has dual citizenship and their children who were both born here in the States also have dual Canadian/American citizenship).

[slaveplanet]

4. not entirely true

Many in top postions hold dual citizenship......US and israeli, I'm not sure if they were Israeli first but I wouldn't be suprised

Arnold held off naturalization, because he said he wanted the top Austrian position......he is now however a Naturalized US citizen

[Kellanved]

11. in addition to his Austrian citizenship

Due to a special permission, as Austria normally doesn't allow dual citizenship.

In addition he is active in the Austrian conservative ÖVP (campaign help). Did the radical anti-war stance (far more radical than, for example, France's or Germany's) of his Austrian party ever make it into the US news?

[atreides1]

7. He Holds Dual Citizenship

Actually it was reported that he still held his Austrian citzenship as well as his American one. By Austrian law he suppose to give up his
Austrian citizenship, but special arrangements were made by the Austrian government that allowed him to keep it.

And now Arnold's brand new friend, Senator Orrin "I wish I could get away with having two or more wives" Hatch, has hinted that he thinks that the Constitutional requirement that only citizens born in America
can run for president, should be changed.

Things that make you go WTF?

[slaveplanet]

9. apparently

Not the only special arrangements made by the Austrian Govt on Arnie's behalf....pretty slick for an average joe

[sharkbait2]

13. I'm a non-naturalized dual citizen...

Born of parents from two countries with each country considering me a citizen from birth.

I think you are lashing out at a bigger group of people than you realize. Anyway, if I was pushed against the wall and forced to choose, the US citizenship wouldn't be the winner... so go ahead and pass your jingoistic laws.

[Hawkeye-X]

3. Um I object to that

My cousin is a US born citizen and holds a dual citizenship with Canada because she currently lives in Canada, and have been for about six years.

However, one should not be a governor unless one has been in the country for more than 30 years. Hell, let's make it equivalent of the age limit - say, 35 years old or so. I don't know if there is an age limit in Governorship, but there should be one.

In any case, case in point:

Ahhnold emigrates from Germany/Austria, and becomes a naturalized US citizen. That clock begins at that point. Say he was naturalized in 1985. That is the "birth" of being an US citizen.

2003-1985 = 18 years. He has been in the country legally for 18 years. He needs to be in the country for another 17 years before he can run for Governor.

What do you think?

Hawkeye-X

[slaveplanet]

6. I think

Nazi diaspora should be denied any position of power in the US.
Naturalized or not.

[RobertSeattle]

5. Arnold: 2nd Most Powerful Austrian EVER

After A.H.

Weird.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Yes, and that figures it'd be in America.

[happyslug]

10. There is a problem, people may not KNOW they have dual citizenship.

First the US is a country that sets Citizenship by birth inside the Country or by the naturalization process. Other countries determines their citizenship by Ethnicity, even if you never been to the country. For example When My Local Judge (O'Kicki) was convicted of corruption (He was selling shorter sentences for money) as part of his bail before trial he had to turn in his US Passport. On his conviction he drove up to Canada and took a flight to Slovenia (Where his grandparents had been born) and as a person of Slovenia decent, he was a citizen of that Country and did not need his passport to enter.

I believe Mexico has a similar law (i.e. a person of Mexican descent is a citizen of Mexico even if his or her' family had not been in Mexico for generations. Germany had a similar situation, after the fall of the former USSR, persons of German decent who had lived in Russia since the time of Peter the Great, moved back into Germany, even through none had lived in Germany for almost 300 years (This is similar to Israel’s right of return i.e. any person of Jewish extraction may enter Israel and claim the right to live there)

A variation of this was during WWII any American Soldier whose parents were German born, if captured by the Germans, were subject to be convicted of TREASON for baring arms against "their" Country (i.e. Germany) even if the Soldier had been born in the US and thus a US Citizen by birth. I had a professor in College who talked about traveling through Europe in 1939 with a friend of his. The friend’s parents had been born in Germany, he crossed the German Border and was drafted right into the German Army as a German Citizen (After the War he returned to the US where he was arrested for not reporting to his draft board, remember he was a US Citizen also).

Thus it is easy to have dual citizenship, sometime without even knowing it.

[The Left Preacher]

12. Senator Lieberman holds Dual Citizenship

As A Jew Senator lieberman is also considerd a citizen of Isreal. (Isreal's law, not ours). We should not put a burdon on American Citizens who are treated differently by other countries.

[Taxi Driver]

14. Very good point.

I don't like the original poster's idea. Just because Arnold is an Austrian and an American doesn't mean we have to pass more jingoistic laws just for this case. There could be plenty of foreign born liberals who want to become governor. And what about all the Jews who are considered Israeli citizens by Israel's right of return? Should Carl Levin, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Lieberman, Paul Wellstone (deceased), and others. Arnold Schwarzenegger's case should not cause us to become more hostile towards immigrants, which is against progressivism, especially since most of the foreign born are leftists.

[Taxi Driver]

15. kick

[Taxi Driver]

16. kick

[JohnKleeb]

17. I thought it was against progressivism because

Progressives remember their own immigrant roots but I happen to agree with you Taxi and Preacher. I wouldnt mind having dual citizenship. I consider this wrong not because many of these immigrants may vote left or democrat in general but because I myself know of my immigrant roots. Some of our most greatest leaders in history were foreign born.

[Taxi Driver]

18. Yeah.

Exactly. We shouldn't turn against our own ideology to suit a particular case. What if there was some hard-line conservative black man who threatened to turn the country fascist, should we pass laws barring blacks from holding public office?

[MacCovern]

19. What about all the Mexican-Americans?

Funny how this is not an issue for all the tens of millions of immigrants from our neighboring country of Mexico, but all of a sudden it is with one guy from Austria.

[Taxi Driver]

20. Yeah.

Fixing laws to suit what would be currently politically expedient is what the Republicans are trying to do by getting rid of the requirement of presidential candidates to be born here. It's quite hypocritical. I'll stand by my progressive ideals even if every black man in this country paraded in the streets screaming "Heil Hitler."