How's the Recall Arnold movement going?

[bluestateguy]

Could anyone involved in the burgeoning Recall Governor Schwarzenegger movement please check in here and let us all know how the movement is going? Who will be coordinating the effort? How can people sign petitions? Who will fund the effort? What will be the strategy for gathering signatures?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

1. I understand it has fallen behind the "Recall Whoever Recalls Arnold" camp

[buff2]

2. I heard you can't recall the Groper........

Until at least 6 months. I doubt it will go anywhere,since the dems joined the repukes and overwhelmingly voted him in. This is what they wanted so they will have to live with it. :puke:

[Capn Sunshine]

5. You seem to think there will be no outrage by then

6 months from now, what will have changed?

* the bond issues the state needs to cover the debt wil be approximately 1 billion each more expensive due to the recall.

* by this time Arnold will find that Pete Wilson structured the car tax so only a constitutional ammendment can repeal it

* the more sane members of Arnold financial team, who as of about an hour ago have readily admitted to the " unfortunate reality" of tax increases will have either resigned or gotten their way

* the CALPERS fund will have been raided to accomodate the gropenfurhers budget.

* The Enron suit will be settled , not for 9 billion , but for less than 5 million.

Things are grim here, but as Arnold will find, there's no way out until the national economy improves. In the meantime .....

[0rganism]

9. I thought that waiting period was only if the incumbent won

But I agree with the rest of your post. Given that the gropenator won with 48% of the vote, and McClintock got 13%, it will be quite difficult to get the retaining vote below 50%. Plus, it will be spun as extreme partisan politics, unless the women who allege abuse convincingly push their court cases or something else adequately "interesting" happens.

Scratch that. The re-recall will be spun as dirty politics no matter what, because it will not have been funded by a republican car thief.

[Informed]

20. How can you say it will be spun?

The same party who is talking recall were saying it was partisan politics to recall Davis after only 11 months. Yet Arnie hasn't even been sworn in and they're talking recall. How on earth can that simple FACT be "spun" into partisan politics?

[BikeDeck]

23. 6 months... yes and no

While you are correct that a recall could not take place for 6 months, the signatures can start being collected today. If all the needed signatures were gathered in a month, the election still couldnt be held until Arnold was in office for 6 months.

My personal opinion... Starting a recall attempt against Arnold before he even is inagurated is about as close to committing political suicide as could be done by the democrats in California. Have the network, plan, and funding in place and ready to go. But wait until Arnold bombs and then spring.

31 recalls have been attempted in California, including one against Davis in 1999. This is the first time it has made it to the ballot. History shows it is not an easy task.

[0rganism]

29. Problem with waiting for the "bomb" is...

...that bomb could really hurt California, way more than it hurts Arnie himself. Like the $6-billion dollars Arnie's giving up on, because his Pete Wilson crew doesn't want to "inherit litigation." Arnie's not going to hurt himself with his insane support of deregulation, he'll just be hurting the rest of California.

The legislature's really going to have to reign his ass in before he breaks something.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. well, we have to wait for a couple of things

First, Arnold has to be sworn in. Then the clock starts. 6 months and one day later is the time window, at which time we will have the necessary paperwork filed.

As der gropenfurher isn't installed yet, we must await that point before, like the recall Gray Davis movement we start the next day.

Funding? We plan to solicit donations via the internet. We don't need millionaires. We ARE a millionaire together.

If MoveOn can raise 1.8 million in six days we should be able to do the same thing.

Coordinating this will be some outraged populists with no official affiliation. :)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecallArnold/

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. I'll donate. And I don't even live in California.

Perhaps you need to check if outside state donations are acceptable?

[Capn Sunshine]

6. I have a group of attorneys examining this and other issues

due to the plan of raising $$ on the internet. National donations will have to be accomodated, as will international.

These guys are specialists in online funding and banking and work with a high net worth client of mine who specializes in online $ generation.

wow, just like an online casino!!

[Shrek]

18. You don't need to wait 6 months

The 6-month provision applies to an official who defeats a recall -- he cannot face another one for at least 6 months.

As far as I can tell, any other official is fair game assuming the requisite signatures are gathered and filed.

[Capn Sunshine]

27. the 6 months applies to the term of the governor

he can't be recalled until 6 months into his term.

[Blue-Jay]

7. This might be an unpopular stance, but..

I was against this recall, and I'm against a recall of Musclehead as well. The whole idea is just wrong. It circumvents the democratic process, and is a waste of precious time and money. Let Ahnuld sink or swim on his own (lack of?) merit. Christ, can you imagine the chaos if recall was an option for every elected official? We'd never get anything else done.

This California debacle sucks enough already. Don't exacerbate things. Don't be like them.

[MidwestTransplant]

12. Agreed

The vast majority of people who voted backed the recall and a similar percentage backed Aahnold. I think this talk about another recall will only put people more in his corner. Especially before he has screwed up.

[shance]

21. Vast majority of really people backed the recall? Lets wait and see.....

Take a look at some of the BBV threads about the recall numbers.

[JHB]

17. Joe Conason brings up a possibility...

CA Dems can collect enough sigantures to recall Thrud the Barbarian, but not file them, just holding on to the threat of doing so as leverage. Without due cause from Arnie, a knee-jerk second recall would look like unprincipled, reflexive, partisan kneebiting by the Dems. (The Rethugs at least had Davis' previous term as a smokescreen to their own partisan kneebiting.)

Yet printing up and circulating Recall Arnold petitions is still worth considering, for two reasons. As a general rule, Democrats should not hesitate to deploy any technique or technicality used by Republicans, including badly drawn constitutional procedures like the California recall. More specifically, a million ready-to-file recall petition signatures could provide some useful discipline to the gang of Wilson retreads surrounding Schwarzenegger, not to mention the governor-elect himself. Who knows what these people have in mind? Aside from abolishing the car tax, they didn't reveal much about their plans.
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/10/08/arnold_recall/index.html

[linazelle]

19. This is a good idea because Hannity's already spouting about Arnold's

opposition from the incumbent legislators. He said on his show last night that if Arnold didn't get cooperation he would "take it to the people", that is take his demands to the public to press the legislators. If the Arnold knows that "the people" want him recalled, then he might have to solve his problems like his peers do--by negotiating and with brainpower.

[onehandle]

8. Pointless

The GOP has the magic bullet for Liberal states and Democratic strongholds. Send in an entertainer. Everyone loves a clown. He won't be recalled. The show is too good.

Watch for an endless line of hacks and has-beens to line up elsewhere.

[Kip Rainville]

10. Patience please

Be patient give them a few days or weeks. KR

[DieboldMustDie]

11. Once he's actually in office...

can't the legislature impeach him?

[onehandle]

14. Unlikely

However, if some of the abused women press charges...

[twilight]

25. yeah lets not forget THE WOMEN!!!!

To me, this is the main issue with Ahnuldddd and why he is NOT a viable nor decent choice for being the governor of California. The man is a pig! I wonder how many women he has assaulted? I wonder how many he might have raped or tried to rape? I am sure the actual #'s of women are horrifying!

I say, lets TERMINATE the Terminator BEFORE he has a chance to abuse and injure more women. This monster belongs behind bars and it seems anyone cares about are the politics of it all!! HE IS A PIG and don't forget it!!!!!!! :puke:

AHNULD BELONGS IN PRISON LOCKED UP! :nuke:

[Emillereid]

13. Given the clear majority the recall and Arnie racked up

a recall of him would be foolish right now -- you only have 190 days to do a petition drive once you start and right now I think if someone tried to solicit for a petition for his recall they'd probably be tarred and feathered. Everyone's still swooning over the terminator. If we do a recall down the line, we democrats have got to come up a better alternative candidate than Cruz.

However I think a recall petition drive against Bush or some Repuke governor of another state is definitely in order.

[MaidinVermont]

15. Revenge is never a good plan in politics

Everything to lose and nothing to gain.

[newyawker99]

16. Hi MaininVermont!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[shance]

22. "Given the clear majority" Who is saying its "clear"?

The media?

Thats pretty interesting that you would believe this media so easily, when they lie to us so much on a daily basis.

Look how honest the media was about Gores election.

Check out the BBV numbers on the various posts.

[Silverhair]

26. Bad Idea

To try a recall petition on Arnold is a bad idea. It will look like mere revenge politics, instead of a grass-roots rebellion against an unpopular governor. Such a petition will only make Dems look bad, and that at a time when the donkey has got a really bad black eye. Revenge politics won't attract voters, except the hard-core faithful. The middle ground swing voter won't go for a revenge recall, and some will become alienated and become Reps. Drop the "Recall Arnold" like a hot potato - fast.

Don't expect much from the groping stories either. They are going to evaporate. All of the women but one were anonymous, and that one had multiple arrests for postitution. The public won't care. Sorry, but that's a fact of life.

The only think is to develop strategies to deal with the situation, without looking obstructionist either. The plan that I read about for the legislature to send a raft of extreme liberal position bills to Arnold will only play into his hands as he vetos them. It will make him look stronger. Dems have to look like they are trying to work with him. An obstructionist attitude would only further alienate voters and could lead to a Rep statehouse in 2004, followed by redistricting.

Keep cool, and THINK!!!

[David__77]

24. Better to develop a sound strategy for dealing with things right now.

There is no need for a recall at this point. We need to assess his actions as they come. We also need to wage a political fight for public opinion--this will be decisive, not any political machinations. We can still advance our agenda, without any shortsighted recall attempts.

If, for instance, he were prosecuted for sexual battery, or were civilly sued, things could get interesting, and our work "be done for us."

[Capn Sunshine]

28. Oh, the need is THERE

there was no need for the other recall either, but they went ahead with it. Unless you live in California, talk is cheap.Stay out of this. WE are going to create the worst partisan atmosphere in history so the freaks in DC realize that it doesn't benefit them after all.

We just cannot let them get away with it. They are counting on cool liberal democratic logic to prevail. They don't think we have the nuts. They are counting on this.