Bill, Arnold and double standards

[CatWoman]

At best, the evidence indicates that Schwarzenegger has a habit of sexual battery--defined in the California Penal Code as touching "an intimate part of another person, if the touching is against the will of the person touched, and is for the specific purpose of sexual arousal, sexual gratification, or sexual abuse."

This goes beyond the behavior that unleashed a scandal on Bill Clinton. His encounter with Monica Lewinsky was consensual, and his crude alleged proposition to Paula Jones stopped short of using force. Kathleen Willey said Clinton forcibly kissed and fondled her, though he relented when she rebuffed him. (It was not until after he was acquitted in his impeachment trial that another woman went public claiming he had raped her, and that was never proven.)

Clinton's adulterous conduct was enough to outrage conservative moralists. Columnist and former Reagan administration official Linda Chavez said that the actions described by Paula Jones didn't amount to sexual harassment but were "gross and disgusting, and, I think, make Clinton unfit to be president." The Wall Street Journal's shocked editorial writers asked, "What manner of man is it who takes sexual advantage of 21-year-old interns?"

David Frum, writing in the conservative Weekly Standard, asserted that "what's at stake in the Lewinsky scandal" is "the central dogma of the Baby Boomers: the belief that sex, so long as it's consensual, ought never to be subject to moral scrutiny at all." William Bennett, author of several books celebrating old-fashioned values, said Clinton "acted sexually more like an alley cat than an adult."

Maybe the defenders of virtue exhausted themselves so thoroughly attacking Clinton that they have no energy left to find fault with Schwarzenegger. In any event, I have yet to hear a peep of disgust from the major moralists of the right.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0310090279oct09,1,1944121.column?coll=chi-news-col

[zekeson]

1. Please, don't hold your breath waiting for

the major moralists of the right to offer any rebuke of Schwarzenegger on this issue. We need you here at DU, and it ain't gonna happen - It really isn't morality, its good ol' fashioned smear politics, and someway, somehow, the Right has defined the game and made the rules.

Nice post, thanks

[library_max]

2. Willey's allegation was contradicted by some of her friends

Jones changed her story many times and was never able to pin down an exact time and place that the alleged proposition occurred. Whereas some of Schwarzenegger's gropings are on film and videotape (and no, I don't just mean the ones "in character").

[diplomats]

3. The indepedent counsel report also

said Willey was not credible. That was included in a footnote that got little attention. I, however, knew she was lying when the WH released those friendly letters she wrote to Clinton after the alleged incident happened. She even invited him to her son's wedding.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. Clinton hugged her for an overly long moment

she came to him looking for help in a really rough patch. Clinton was being sympathetic and he himself might have been aroused but he didn't assault her.

[kskiska]

9. Even Linda Tripp said Willey plotted to seduce Clinton

…calling her constantly for advice on what to wear, where to rendezvous with him if the occasion arose. Tripp said she was very excited about the prospect. Why were they so selective in repeating Linda's story?

Willey's story of being threatened didn't wash, either. The guy she claimed made threats as she jogged one morning proved to be out of town at the time.

Willey is a liar. Unlike Tripp, she was lucky to find a husband to bail her out.

[nannygoat]

6. A refresher on the women behind the charges leveled at Bill Clinton

AN AGE OF PROPAGANDA (PART 1)! Matthews groped for ways to help Arnold. We found it a sign of the times:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100603.shtml

[Clete]

10. I think Gloria Aldred and other feminist attorneys

need to get these women to press charges against the new Governor and see what sticks.

[Clete]

5. Check what I got in my email today.

The king of hypocrisy,Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah and Gropenator Arnold.


<snip>WASHINGTON -- Sen. Orrin Hatch says Arnold Schwarzenegger should not be judged on past improper advances towards women but as the devoted husband he is today, adding that the foreign-born GOP candidate for California governor also should have the opportunity to run for president under a constitutional amendment Hatch is pushing.

"We have to look at people who they are today, not what they may have done wrong in the past," Hatch told the National Press Club Friday. "There isn't a person in this room or anywhere else in the world who is perfect, who has lived perfectly."

The movie-star body builder stumped for Hatch's 1994 re-election campaign when he joined the Utah Republican at an awards ceremony at a Salt Lake City fitness equipment factory and taunted "hasta la vista, baby" to Hatch's Democratic challenger, Pat Shea. Shea said Schwarzenegger's appearance was offensive because of his movies' "terrible treatment of women" and found it "ironic that Hatch, who promotes himself as a true feminist, would bring one of the leading media promoters of misogyny to Utah." <snip> more...

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/oct/10042003/utah/98550.asp

[nannygoat]

7. Hypocrite, thy name is Republican! n/t

[CatWoman]

8. I really, truly hate these people.

[Piperay]

11. Republican=Hypocrite

I have never seen such a bunch of lying hypocrites, guess being a hypocrite is a virtue as long as you are rethug.

[j_klondowski]

12. Wasn't Bill accused of making women touch him?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of arnold. I think he groping a woman would be FAR more traumatic than anything Bill did.

But let's be realistic, Bill had some major psychological issues, that if we were in a more liberal society would have been taken care of LONG before it became a problem. But with the stigma placed on mental health treatment in our culture, something like that goes undiagnosed, and untreated.

Arnold is just a violent chauvanist, bill just needed help

[CatWoman]

13. And you need

to take a swim in one of the Great Salts.