It just gets worse...

[RBHam]

The Shadow Government's Military Industrial Complex and their MASSIVELY ($3.2 trillion worth) funded world wide Black Ops/Terror racket is now in complete control. MK Ultra trained domestic snipers, mysterious deaths of microbiologists who knew too much, engineered viruses and covert contamination of food supplies, false flag terror operations, subverting the democratic process through vote fraud etc. etc. etc.

I think it's already too late. The Fascist New World Order is upon us. For years the world's elite have been struggling with how to come to grips with the fact of world wide over-population and resource depletion. There are two camps. Those promoting a peaceful, inclusive and humane approach (planned parenting, secular education, decreasing poverty and respect for differing cultures), and those who have decided that if there is to be something like a world Government they want to be in complete control. They have concluded that the best way to do that is through the use of religious and media propaganda. They have set in motion "The Clash of Civilizations" that Brzehinski foretold. Ever since they got their "Pearl Harbour-type event" they wanted on September 11, 2001, they've got all the impetus they need. Simply google search for the PNAC web site for their comprehensive plan. To these people "democritization" is simply a code word for totalitarian colonization through military conquest and economic slavery. More disturbingly, even many "moderates" have rationalized the continuing agenda of making alliances with totalitarian states like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and China. Just to name a few.

That internal struggle is still going on - but the Militarists are winning out. There is still a very small chance - IF the 2004 elections aren't rigged through Black Box voting like the 2002 mid terms were. That was just a trial run.

But it will take a massive groundswell from the people of America to stop it. The humanistic and hermetic types amongst the world's elite can't do it alone. It is even more urgent now that the Republican Party is in the palm of the Shadow Government and they politically control all the key states (California, Florida, New York).

If you don't act now, you may never be able to act again.

[FlashHarry]

1. Uh...

:tinfoilhat:

[quinnox]

2. Hey, the Cubs and Red Sox are in the playoffs

I find that more astounding than the dubious hypothesis in the post.

[RBHam]

3. If the Cubbies and the Red Sox DO meet

It's a sure sign that the apocalypse is upon us.

[quinnox]

5. Can't argue with that one, heh

n/t

[library_max]

4. Here's your tinfoil hat

:tinfoilhat:

What's your hurry?

[RBHam]

7. Go ahead - be a sheeple

Comfort yourself in the mantle of ignorance and denial.

They can steal elections, orchestrate terrorist attacks and start Wars yet you still think it's all a fantasy?

[Fixated]

10. .....

The war in Iraq is different from the methodical killing of scientists who "knew too much." Gimme a break.

[Terwilliger]

14. I'm with ya

I'm just not as well restrained in my communication :D

[Padraig18]

6. Calling Nurse Ratchitt!

:tinfoilhat:

[haymaker]

8. Are tinfoil hat responses

the only thing that many can come up with. Gosh that's brilliant. Along with "conspiracy theory", one can completely ignore everything and feel good about the fact that their head is up their ass.

If you doubt the veracity of what someone says, then give your reasons, with documentation. Otherwise, put that "conspiracy theory" phrase in your tinfoil hat and shove them both up your ass.

[ComerPerro]

9. The bitch about conspiracies

And I am trying to start anything here, but the problem I had with your statement was that the burden of proof is on the person with the conspiracy theory. Until proof is found, its just a theory. So it doesn't need documentation to be proven false, as such documentation might be impossible to find (no one can prove a negative).

Actually, this is why I belive in "conspiracy theories", my favorite being LIHOP. The beautiful part for the conspirators is that in order for their plan to be exposed, someone has to produce irrefutable proof. Otherwise, its just a "wild accusation" from a "liberal nut who hates America". This is why BushCo is so bold about all the illegal shit they do. They know they will never get caught.

[haymaker]

11. Especially with a huge chorus of toadies

singing "conspiracy theory" and "tin foil hat" at the drop of an inference.

It's amazing how quickly those phrases get dropped around here. No discussion, no debate, just the "tin foil hat" bomb. The "conspiracy theory" scud.

It's a conspiracy all right. They are getting away with murder and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

[JanMichael]

17. Thank you.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but to simply dismiss these relatively sound ideas with a condescending brush off is truly ostrich like.

[Selwynn]

12. Beyond the tinfoil hat responses -

How about this response:

You have what I consider to be valid obersvations intermingled in with some inferentially drawn conclusions that jump links in the chain of evidence.

But more serious than this, is that your approach towards uncovering the truth and promoting the "truth" is in fact not helpful to the cause of truth. Even if some of the things you say are true, it is not helpful to drift into the range of melodramatic doomsaying -- why? Because we need to be about slowly awakwening to the public to their need to join our party in the fight for rights, freedoms and a more equitable economic system. We alienate more people that we win over with this kidn of talk. It sounds to unbelievable to most, you're trying to take an inch thick 20oz steak and force feed it to infants. They need baby food.

So you're approach is not at all helpful to anyone or anything, even if it is all exaclty true, and there is a massive global conspiracy, and the Illuminati sit around in their castle on the top of Mt. Doom and twist their moustaches while laughing manically as they debate on how they can be more "evil" tomorrow.

Personally however, I believe the only consirpacy that we need acknolwege is the conspiricy of those with money and powet to keep money and power to themselves, and to aquire more money and power using any and all means necessary. And we can point to this conspiricy directly, but constantly and tirelessly pointing out the injsutic of their policies and plans for America, and encouraging grass roots efforts to take back key legislative branches, followed by the Executive.

Oh and by the way, just so you don't think I'm too different, I also say this:

:tinfoilhat:

[haymaker]

13. Maniacly.

They are twisting their moustaches and laughing maniacly.

Just kidding. Nice post, I agree on most. However, I do believe that some here think that we don't have enough time for baby steps.

[RBHam]

16. You have a valid point

But I call it as I sees it. The agenda is plain enough and if the people keep believing that their Corporate Overlords are just a bunch of nice guys who are simply a bit greedy - well, we've seen how easily the people can be fooled.

There IS NO MORE TIME for MR. NICE GUY! It has not been working.

These so-called "conspiracy theories" are well documented and researched - but you have to take the time to seek out the info.

If this agenda is not exposed soon, if Orwell's warning in "1984" goes unheeded, you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves.

Just like the German citizenry in the late 1930's - you'll become "passive collaborators".

After all, Hitler was democratically elected. Remember that.

[tom_paine]

19. No RB, Hitler wasnt democratically elected...just like Tiberius*

He lost in 1932 with 36% of the vote.

He also gained power by extra-electoral wrangling.

[RBHam]

20. But...

The Nazi party got their foot in the door through the democratic process.

All I'm sayin'...

[tom_paine]

21. Gotcha. Yes, the Busheviks and the Nazis BOTH

are pursuing strategies of "legally" entering the halls of government with the express purpose of destroying it.

They BOTH had the same contempt for "Liberal Democracy".

[Pastiche423]

15. A few are acting now

But others, as has been shown on this thread, would rather ridicule, than face up to what has been going on in our country for decades.

A good for instance, is a thread about Davis being the problem of the CA recall. Refusing to look at the big picture denotes a fear to learn and a disinterest in looking for solutions.

[Must_B_Free]

18. 'Like a Duck in a Noose'

I knew he moment that I heard that unbelievably cryptic statement read on TV that this was the signal for the snipers to go to sleep.

And what the the nation's top fugitives do whan they hear that statement?

They pulled over at the nearest rest stop and put their ID on the roof and went to sleep.

Recall that it is unprecedented for investigators to put the capture of fugitives in the publics hands. They knew what vehicle they were looking for and instead of protecting the public, they announced it.

No investigator would tell a fugitive that 'we know what car you are driving' because if the guy really wanted to get away, he would distance himself from the vehicle as soon as her heard the news.

You don't need a tinfoil hat to see through this one.

And you don't need a tinfoil hat to see the prfessionally staffed disinformers jump on any post to discredit it immediately.

Just mention the wellstone crash and someone will jump up immediately to tell you 'ice on wings' 'tinfoil hat'

If you think history doesn't repeat itself, you are in denial. The rich and powerful aim to do whatever it takes to hold on to what they've got - it's that simple and also illogical to expect anything else from them.


I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly. Take a stress pill and think things over. - HAL

[ignatius]

22. If not for Wellstone's death, the Senate would be evenly

divided. If not for the recall, Arnold would still be making bad movies, if not for the Slimy Seven, Monkeyman would be in Crawford with the rest of the snakes.

If we haven't learned from these last 3 God-for-saken years that the BFEE will do anything to stay in control, then we simply have not been paying attention. Just as the CIA led coups in Iran,Columbia and now Venezuela, we are seeing the same thing here in the U. S.

Poppy headed the CIA,called for a one world government,and the plans from the PNAC are quite clear and, unless they have been scrubbed, are on their website.

After 9-11, many people on this site called many of us nuts,tin-foil hatters and probably worse about some of the BS we saw. Now many of these same observations are main stream.

So before you just randomly jump om somebody,try thinking outside the box.

Believe me, these people do.

[BigDaddyLove]

23. If, as I think you are suggesting..........

the snipers were 'working with' the investigators (or the powers that be), why would they broadcast their 'codewords' in the nationl media to tell them to 'sleep'?

Why wouldn't they just ring up Mohammad on the Batphone to relay instructions?

Why go through the extra steps thereby giving ammo for CT's?

[ElementaryPenguin]

24. Agree 100%, Ham! This is one non-passive, non-collaborator who's

Refusing to close his eyes to the horror that is this Bush Reign of Terror!!