El Dem Debate Thread #1

[NashVegas]

3 minute to liftoff.

[tridim]

1. If anyone finds a stream, let us know!

Thanks.

[proud patriot]

2. Wonk said he'd have an mp3 around 10pm

:hi: on another thread somewhere around here

[Closer]

3. Yes, please

I'm searching frantically for one.

[Cha]

4. This is from Wonk!

"It will be. Look for an mp3 to be online by about 10 eastern."

[MR. ELECTABLE]

7. They'll be rebroadcasting it at 11:30 PM EST

Good news for us west-coasters!

[morgan2]

5. titles

they used congressman dick gephart, then representative dennis kucinich. seems kinda odd after reading those poles where people named with different titles get different positive/negative ratings.

[Dudley_DUright]

10. and why not point out that Carol Mosley Braun

is a former senator as well as a former ambassador?

[AP]

17. CNN probably only considers her 2/5ths an Ambassador...

...so not worth mentioning.

[0rganism]

6. Woodruff, Greenfield, and Crowley, moderators

Well, they should at least hate all the Democrats equally.

edit- since when do moderators get to INTERROGATE THE CANDIDATES?
Whatever happened to one question, one rebut, one response?

[NashVegas]

9. And be Lightweight

Just once, I'd love to see Krugman moderate.

[Sean Reynolds]

14. Woodruff attacking Braun.

Braun doesn't back down.

Now attacking Clark.

[Cha]

13. Ugh! greenfield has been known to have a brain cell.

[Terwilliger]

21. CROWLEY??

ACK!

[AP]

8. People, I'm not watching, but can people time how much time each candidate

gets.

[eleny]

11. Why the hell is Woodruff being argumentative????

[MissB]

15. Because she hates democrats.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Jumping in Clark's face. Now gephardt.

Oh this is going to be a long night.

[Robb]

115. Judy is attacking!

What the hell? Hello, moderator?!?

Start the letter-writing. She's interrupting and attacking everyone on the stage... is that the point of a debate? The Judy Show?

B*tch... :grr:

[w13rd0]

12. Judy Woodruff...

...already being a friggin whore, trying to put words in Carol Mosley-Braun's mouth. This debate is gonna hack me off. Oh MAN, I think all of them should just tell Judy to STFU. She's a piss poor moderator right out of the gate. Argumentative, trying to twist people's words. The candidates should seize this debate and tell the damned media to quit trying to twist them.

[MissB]

16. She just interrupted Clark after he said maybe 10 words.

What a bitch.

[roguevalley]

25. I can't watch this with Woodruff acting like a bore.

What is the problem with them? I would expect that
they lay into Bush now. Not.

I get so ANGRY when this happens.

[snooper2]

39. I reserve this for special people

She's a fucking cunt...now telling people not to applaud....

sheesh...

[Cha]

18. I know! That's why even if I did have cnn which I never will again..

I still couldn't watch with those whores up there pretending to moderate.

[0rganism]

20. Yup, what a goddam bitch she is

Is this some kind of interview? WTF? 2 minutes in, and this is already the worst debate ever.

[THUNDER HANDS]

31. well, to be fair

She's trying to get them to differentiate between themselves, and not just make similar comments about Bush.

[NashVegas]

19. Clark: Syria and Iran have a vested interest

in us not doing well over there.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. I love it when they throw the

"flight suit" in the shrubs face! hehehe! :D

[MissB]

24. Gephardt got the first big audience response

Something about a school report- Bush doesn't play well with others- or something like that.

[Dudley_DUright]

26. That was a great line

Great response from the audience.

[0rganism]

27. Now Greenfield tries to bugger Edwards

YOUR party admires rich people, NOT a horatio alger story like NIXON. Why don't you like Nixon more, Mr. Edwards?

[Cha]

34. You have got to be Shytin' me? What the heck kind of Question

is that ..for Anybody? Much less a Dem?

[0rganism]

44. in all fairness, it's my creative interpretation of Greenfield's loaded BS

I should have pointed that out.

[Terwilliger]

28. Greenfield with a hostile question to Edwards

trying to get him to define his roots and why he includes them in his message

[Terwilliger]

32. anybody keeping time?

[SweetZombieJesus]

35. I think it's a pretty fair question, and Edwards handled it well

And...oh Christ, now Kerry's bringing up Vietnam, right off the fucking bat. Jesus tits.

Thanks for blowing all that joy Edwards had going for me Kerry.

[w13rd0]

29. Greenfield to Edwards...

...why should people care about your background now that you are a multimillionaire. Edwards comes back with a good response. CNN is trying it's hardest to jack up the "confrontation index" of this debate.

[TheDonkey]

30. I like it! She is turning up the heat!!!

But she is also a GOPwhore so I can't let her off the hook but I'm glad they are pushing these guys and girl. Soon they'll have to handle this.

[0rganism]

40. This is supposed to be a debate between CANDIDATES

They'll have to handle this in hostile media whore interviews. Right now, I want to see them debate one another.

[madaboutharry]

33. Judy Woodruff is

acting like the debate is about her.

[tjdee]

36. John Edwards is delightful.

love how they're trying to pitt them against each other.

As usual, John Edwards gives a gracious, sincere answer.

[eleny]

37. Kerry coming on strong

In Vietnam, no one asked about your background - you bled together.

[TheDonkey]

38. Edwards just had a dem lovefest!!!

I liked it, it was cute. Edwards is gunning for that VP position haha.

[tjdee]

41. Dean: Me me me me me me me.

Me against them them them.

[SweetZombieJesus]

46. Yeah, because it's so much worse than John "I WAS IN VIETNAM" Kerry

Give me a break.

[tjdee]

53. Well, that's why I support Edwards.

LOL, especially after Kerry and Dean on that whole thing.

[Cha]

57. I'm sick of you dissing Dean...you have zilch credibility.

[tjdee]

69. Credibility on what?

My own opinion?
Plus, that wasn't even a dis, LOL!

[AP]

74. Oh come on. Zero credibility? Anonymous internet forum. WillPitt has a....

....little credibility. Bev Harris has a little credibility. None of the rest of us have credibility...except to the extent that we guess things correctly...and I'm willing to bet that tjdee is going to guess correctly on how election 2004 will go.

[MissB]

68. He's trying to differentiate himself from the others

I don't see it as about him.

[MissB]

42. I think Dean is getting the first attack in

Unless I missed something in the first few minutes.

[NashVegas]

56. What Dean did

that I thought was pretty funny, was he took control of the dialog before he could be asked a combative question.

[TheDonkey]

43. We are going to see a fist fight tonight!!!!! OMG! It's a debate!!!

[bicentennial_baby]

45. Nice rebuttal General Clark

[StephNW4Clark]

What did he say?

[VolcanoJen]

47. God, I Love John Edwards.

I had to log on to say that. He is amazing. I am in awe of him. He speakes to me, and I can't for the life of me understand why it seems that nobody out there is listening.

Hang in there, Edwards!!!

[Jawja]

66. I love Edwards, too

He is great. Very articulate and quick on his feet.

[AP]

79. So does the woman in the picture in my sig line...

...

[MissB]

92. Help me out here

I've been trying to place her all day.

[sfecap]

48. Kerry = Pander Bear...

When I was in 'Nam...the Latinos from AZ, NM, CA...disportionally drafted, blah, blah, blah...

[TheDonkey]

60. It's the truth and good for him to say it!!! I wish more people would

mention it. I think Kerry did a great job on the reply not only to reach out to Arizona, minorites, and the like but gave a good answer to what makes him different.

[0rganism]

49. Gotta give credit to Crowley, for asking a question and SHUTTING UP

She actually let Kucinich answer. A first!

[MissB]

51. Yes

She didn't even sneer. I truly despise Woodruff.

[darknemus]

52. Here comes Lierberman..

Man oh man, every time this guy talks, his cadence and delivery remind me of my High School History teacher. I despised him.

-darknemus

[NashVegas]

50. Go Dennis Go!

Calling Bush the liar he is, in prime time!

[Jawja]

58. Lieberman

bashing Clark.

:puke:

[0rganism]

65. And he said it coherently, concisely, and without freaking out

He's gaining composure. He really has a great future.

[Terwilliger]

54. Holy Joe DIGS at Clark

Billy, you were right

[MissB]

63. Clark says he won't attack a democrat on the stage

Good for him. Not that I'll switch my vote, but it makes me think.


Dang, Woodruff tried to interrupt Clark again. He talked over her.

[sfecap]

Lieberman...

Won't attack Dean, goes after Clark....

[SweetZombieJesus]

76. Lieberman will attack whoever he thinks will get him the most attention

JUDY WOODROOF, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Clark's not doing so hot, Lieberman still sucks, and I can't believe Woodruff is STILL going after the fucking Medicare crap.

[AP]

55. Don't make me watch CNN. How bout some more comments/less reaction?

Please

[Terwilliger]

64. I'm not a typist

and I have a bit of rum in me

[Capn Sunshine]

105. Pirate night, huh terwilliger?

Arrrrgh

[MissB]

73. I'll try

but my mouse is fairly well broken.

[chimpymustgo]

82. Dean has got to work on that "church lady" looking down the nose.

Urgh.

Edwards, as always very affable.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Go Clark!

I'm not going to attack a fellow Democrat. I think it's embarrassing!
Wow.

[VermontDem2004]

61. Go Lieberman!

I thought I would never say that.

[proud patriot]

62. Lieberman hits hard

Clark Strikes back by saying I'm not going to attack another
Dem....and ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[w13rd0]

Smart move on Clark's part...

...he knows which candidates he threatens, and doesn't take the bait.

I know they need to differentiate from one another, but I hate to see such bitterness. I'm taping it so I can watch at my leisure and fast forward thru parts that make me wince.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Judy

keeps trying to interupt Clark...he wouldn't let her. Good for him.

[IranianDemocrat]

70. Clark just made Lieberman look like an idiot.

.

[Terwilliger]

83. Clark did slap that snarky sumbitch down

I do not like Lieberman *bleah*

[dean4america]

well, for lieberman, it's a short trip

nm

[VolcanoJen]

121. Clark's RIGHT. Attacking fellow Democrats is embarrassing.

Way to lay some smack down, Clark. I'm proud of the way he defended himself through that entire segment. And I'd be a little angry about it too, if I were him.

[TheDonkey]

71. Clark and Dean show?

They seem to be getting all the time.

[blkgrl]

72. Whoa.... Does Clark have a temper problem?

He seemed pretty harsh in his answers. And not in a good way like Dean.

[IranianDemocrat]

77. You would be too if Judy WHOREdruff tried to cut you off every...

10 seconds.

[VermontDem2004]

88. She interrupted clark once

He was going on to attack Bush then she interrupted him saying You are attacking Bush, What is YOUR plan.(paraphrasing)

[gmaki]

75. this is the first debate I've watched

After seeing Kucinich speak one time, I have decided who I support.

The man speaks the truth.

[ShaneGR]

78. God, this is terrible.... CNN is running a hatchet job

Turn on the Dems against each other. Priority one.

[NashVegas]

80. Judy bringing up medicare/caid to Howard

"the people who criticize me on this stage have never delivered health insurance."

[darknemus]

91. Go Al!

He just basically told Woodruff to shut up. Now, I realize he isn't getting the nomination, but I like Sharpton for one primary reason. He looks like he'd make a great Animatronic in Disney's hall of presidents.

-darknemus

[AP]

95. How'd he say it? He's done this before in debates...

...he has stepped back, looked at the big picture, and said this is fucked up.

I'm no surpsised he's the one to tell her off.

[DemPopulist]

116. He was very kind to Senator Edwards

I know you don't want to watch CNN but it was a wonderful moment.

[MissB]

81. Woodruff asking Dean about flip flopping

Dean talking about changing programs when they need to be changed.

He said no one else on this stage has delivered health care insurance or prescription drug benefits.

[Jawja]

90. Sharpton puts

Judy in her place! "you gonna let me have my time?"

She keeps trying to interrupt and drive the debate. She should let them talk and shut up.

[xxqqqzme]

84. this is a disaster

the idiot 'moderators' R not moderating. It has been so long since there has been real debate on TV, no one knows what the forum is supposed 2 B.

[0rganism]

93. 100% agreed. Who's keeping time here?

This is the gawdawfulest excuse for a debate I've ever seen.

[SweetZombieJesus]

85. Please Al, tell Woodruff to shut the fuck up!

They always short Al on time.

[NashVegas]

104. Does Al Have You in his earphone?

he heard you!

[MissB]

86. I love Al

Even though I won't vote for him.

He called Judy on interrupting him. Laugh from the audience.

[0rganism]

87. Woodruff needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP and listen

If she interrupts one more time, I'm gonna jump through the TV set and beat her upside the head with the remote control.

[TheDonkey]

89. Finally Sharpton on!!!! Cuts down Judy!!! OMG!!!

[NashVegas]

That WAS Sooooooooo Beautiful

thank you Brother Al!

[Woodstock]

110. AMEN!!!

That was beautiful.

[Jawja]

97. Braun

Men have ruined the country, "it's a mess." She should have specified that it's white men that have screwed the country.

[darknemus]

102. Overall, it seems like

This debate is alot more 'personal' than the last one. THat could be because of the CNN people trying to steer it that way. (The conspiracy theorist in me believes CNN is trying to divide & conquer.)

-darknemus

[VermontDem2004]

112. Go Kerry!!!

[MissB]

An actor who couldn't win an Oscar

going to be Governor of California.

ha ha ha

Al Sharpton.

[0rganism]

106. Al's great. He's added a helluva lot to the race, even if he doesn't win

His HUMOR is awesome.

[VermontDem2004]

118. It was all for laughs but made no fucking point

He was a bodybuilder who became Mr. Universe. So what he is an actor that haven't won an oscar, why does that make him unqualified to be Governor?

[Skwmom]

94. Sharpton is the MAN! e/o/m

[Terwilliger]

96. BRAUN: "The men have ruined it" !!!!

"I am the clear alternative" :bounce:

[MissB]

109. And then Woodruff taunts her

And YOU think you are the one here to do that?

She's such a bitch.

[0rganism]

98. Oooh, Carol! Take it to the MAN!

She and Sharpton are making the most of this ridiculous format.

[in_cog_ni_to]

99. Dr. Dean

Strong supporter of Medicare and SS.

Sharpton.....for us to get allies...we go to UN and be HONEST. Tell them we were wrong. Judy...tries to interrupt...Sharpton..."are you going to take that out of my time?"

He defended Edwards! against the rude Greenfield question about rich people being better than poor...Go Al! I love that man!

[tjdee]

100. It's ATTITUDE NIGHT!

Sharpton just said that we are 48 hours away from watching an actor who couldn't even win an Oscar win the governorship of California!

He also said some very nice words about Edwards and his keeping talking about his mill worker background.

[0rganism]

119. pure Chaos! The moderators have lost the reins

This is funny, it's not a debate. It's more like an argument between polisci majors in the student union. Crazy shit!

[Woodstock]

101. AL SHARPTON ROCKS!!!

:):):)

"When an actor who couldn't even win an Oscar wins the election as Governor of California..."

And damn if he didn't shut Judy Woodruff up!!!

[proud patriot]

103. I love Carol Mosely Braun

:loveya:

[SweetZombieJesus]

107. Clarkies, I'm sorry, but your guy needs better makeup guys

They gotta do something about the bags under his eyes.

And he's not doing himself any favors by pointing out that he worked with the Cabal.

[dean4america]

108. when did Candey Crowley

become Jabba the Hutt ??? can they ask some real questions? someone should get Will Pitt and Mike Malloy and Tavis Smiley to moderate a debate

[Jawja]

117. Woodruff is trying

to do a debate in an "interview" format. She is arguing with the candidates. Clark is not letting her do it.

[VermontDem2004]

125. They are asking real questions

They are asking tougher questions then any debate I ever seen and I like it, I even seen "charismatic" Edwards stutter.

[sfecap]

111. Clark: "I'll lead republicans!"

Imagine that...

[Terwilliger]

113. Kerry said that Clark DID in fact say he would have voted for war res.

:shrug:

[SweetZombieJesus]

124. Where the fuck does he get off attacking someone for that?

He fucking voted for it! So did Lieberman!

Was anyone really surprised by Kerry sticking up for Lieberman against Clark?

[Bertrand]

128. Clark has been consistent on this

it's that others dont listen or mischaracterize his position, as Kerry does.

[realFedUp]

114. Maybe you could start a new thread.

seems to be filling up fast here.

[Jawja]

122. Lieberman

:puke:

Welcomes Clark after he attacked him so viciously early on.

[Papa]

120. Seems to me the questioners are going after Clark

They are trying to paint Clark as a flip flopper...

[Jawja]

127. I agree that they are going after

Clark. I don't see that he has a temper, though. I think he is handling it well.

Sharpton is up.

[proud patriot]

123. please continue on thread 2

here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506993

proud patriot
DU Moderator

[0rganism]

126. Finally, I agree with Lieberman on something

"I'll support any of these eight others running for president."

Yes, Joe, we agree. You running... well, that's a bit harder to swallow.