Dem Debate Thread #3

[proud patriot]

Here is the link to thread #1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506713

Here is the link to thread #2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506993

[VermontDem2004]

1. None of the candidates are looking great

[Q]

3. Sharpton: Judy...you're talking like Bush* won...

...HE DID NOT WIN"!

[Woodstock]

12. Al is keeping that annoying shill in line

Keep it up, Al, baby.

[Renew Deal]

17. He is kicking that ass

:kick:

[caledesi]

72. Al always kicks ass and I love him for his wit and candor.

[NashVegas]

4. I'm listening more than watching

and they sound fine.

for a drive-by debate.

[DemPopulist]

20. Edwards is the Man but I'm really liking Gephardt tonight

Even Dean isn't annoying me as much as usual. Damn, we got some good candidates.

[caledesi]

60. We sure do and these f*cking moderators are trying to beat them up.

Be scared...be very scared bec ALL our guys/gal look good and ARE NOT being intimidated by Judy and her cabal.

[realFedUp]

8. Yes they are....looking good and strong

strong.
The lines are good too.

Joe said they can't even find the leaker in the White House.

[Woodstock]

21. I hope they bring this up again

Leakgate needs attention.

[Renew Deal]

14. Clark, Sharpton, Dean, Edwards, CMB are all good. Gep is OK.

[realFedUp]

2. Rev Al says register young people

We can't compete with people whose judgement may
be wrong for this country...

good speech.
Rev. Al says Bush didn't win..wwwooooooo

[Dudley_DUright]

5. Sharpton is correct

We need to expand the voter base, not just pander to the "swing" voter.

[Jawja]

19. Kerry

"they can't even find the leaker in the White House."

Good for Kerry! This is the worst debate format I've ever seen. Judy needs to shutup and let them talk. Are they so afraid somebody might say something bad about Bush that they have to control the debate so tightly?

[caledesi]

They don't want to hear anything bad about *.

Well, boo-hoo.... :nopity: the pink tutus are off!

[VermontDem2004]

25. He is correct

But alot of DUers just want to pander to swing voters. I see threads saying that Clark is the only one that can pick up the military vote. Or Clark is the only one who can win Southern States that is why we need him. Clark is a former general therefore he is the only one who can be viewed as strong on national security, etc.

[TheDonkey]

6. Finally Kerry speaks! Sheesh, it's been an hour.

[soleft]

7. Kerry nailing Rove - woo hoo - can't find Bin Laden, can't find leaker

[realFedUp]

18. Kerry made a good speech there.

He's much better off when he isn't deriding someone
else...it just doesn't fit him well.

He should be the patrician

[0rganism]

27. Kerry just went up a few points in my internal poll

He KNOWS the answers, He KNOWS what's right, now if only he would just start saying it and doing it and not ever stop.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Why are the debate threads getting locked??? n/t

[hedda_foil]

22. To keep them from getting too long for dialuppers to load

[Dudley_DUright]

35. always happens when we are cycling through multiple threads

get your points in early and often. :-)

[KharmaTrain]

10. Al's Gonna Be A Big Asset Next Year

He will mobilize young blacks...and he'll get them to the polls, just like Jesse Jackson did in the 70's. I just hope the party powers-that-be don't piss him off.

[Kahuna]

46. Al has earned his place at the convention. The dems don't have..

to run away from Al anymore.

[Frederic Bastiat]

11. Dean does need some new lines

"We raised more money than anyone." "I'm the only one who has been standing up for democratic values, and I've come from nowhere..."

[SweetZombieJesus]

Probably a bigger audience here than the previous debates

More swing voters watching, so he's got to let them hear the stump stuff.

Dennis is going after Kerry and Gephardt on the war vote. God bless you Dennis. Kinda wish he'd stop picking at Dean, but hey, he's gotta do his thing.

[MissB]

13. W13rd10 or whatever your name is

You should turn on the tv. Woodruff is being a bitch, but really the democrats up there aren't letting her get away with it. It's worth it to see Al throw it back at her.

Sorry if I got your name wrong.

[VermontDem2004]

37. I have no problem with what Woodruff is doing

I seen this alot, a moderator would ask a question on what they would do but the candidate would just go on and attack Bush instead of giving their plan. Woodruff is basically telling them that isn't what I asked.

[w13rd0]

38. I am...

...I turned it back on. And yes, strong candidates, each with things they are bringing to the table. It's obvious who I am personally supporting, but I'd be happy to vote for the vast majority of the people on stage with few reservations.

[eleny]

15. hooo-weee kerry mentoning the LEAK!

they are all doing fabulous. maybe woodruff, getting under their skijn is making it happen. but i do hate that b***********

[Renew Deal]

23. He did a good job.

[NashVegas]

40. I'll Give Kerry This Much

I don't really care for him, but he does have that knack for sounding 'statesman-like.'

[FlashHarry]

16. I can't believe it. The Faux debate was actually better than this.

CNN is doing a lousy job. Judy Woodruff is an awful moderator. She's cutting people off. It's a friggin' free-for-all.

[dean4america]

26. must be because Graham isn't there :)

bad karma from him not being there ... hehehe

[Jawja]

36. I think

all the candidates have done well. Although I get tired of them bashing each other.

Kucinich doing it now, about the vote for the war.

[Wwagsthedog]

Agree

The candidates have had to talk over her and Greenfield more than once. Greenfield asked about values being a repug issue. Sure. War values, tax cut values, etc.

[kentuck]

24. What the hell is up with Judy Woodruff ?

Her job is not to defend George W Bush ! Wake up, dammit!

[Woodstock]

She keeps grunting

LET THE MAN SPEAK!!!

[realFedUp]

31. She is darn irritating

this isn't her show.

[Terwilliger]

32. Yes it is...this is CNN, Conservative Nationalism Network

[Clark Can WIN]

104. Hey Ter.......... finally

Something we agree on! :toast:

[0rganism]

41. She's suffering an overdose of Democrats

Not enough republican talking points around. She's going through withdrawals.

[darknemus]

44. She seems to think that IS her job.

The looks on her face disgust me.. she looks like she just has no interest in what anyone there says.. Let her go back to doing whatever it is she does when she's not turning kids into stone with that face.

-darknemus

[Lydia Leftcoast]

45. Yes, her job is to defend GW Bush

She's been a Republican ass-licker for a long time.

[Renew Deal]

50. I think they want to see blood from our guys. Ratings baby

[KharmaTrain]

59. Walking On Egg Shells

I think she feels she has to play "opposition" or devil's advocate for the candidates. I don't mind that at all...gets them off balance...not a bad thing. Are you expecting softballs? I sure don't want them.

I do object to pontificating, which Greenfield is putting on an award winning performance.

Also Woodruff is doing pretty well moderating. I've been able to hear from all the candidates (I don't care who talks for or last), and to keep the debate on schedule and focused. Also she's doing us a favor by trying to get these candidates off their message...again, I'm looking to see how "real" a candidate vs. scripted. The jury's still out here on whose doing that.

[soleft]

28. Kerry sounds good on Foreign policy

[Terwilliger]

29. Kerry slamming pre-emptive doctrine

too bad he wasn't a little pre-emptive himself :shrug:

[MissB]

30. Kerry " as long as there is a preemptive doctrine"

People will attack us.

[hedda_foil]

33. Kerry did a very good job speaking out on the * doctrine of preemption

in terms of Iran.

[Woodstock]

34. I AM SO SICK OF THEM PICKING ON EACH OTHER

GO AFTER BUSH, DAMN IT!

[Jawja]

47. Can Kucinich

not talk about anything but the vote on the Iraq war? That was addressed early in the debate. Kucinich should use what little time he gets to talk about a variety of issues.

Dean responding well.

[VermontDem2004]

56. THIS IS A DEBATE

A debate means an argument, this isn't a forum, the candidates are supposed to be arguing with each other because this is a debate and if all 9 candidates blast Bush, how will the voters know which candidate is better then the others. Keep arguing with each other dems!

[0rganism]

111. A DEBATE Is NOT an out-of-control SQUABBLE

This is NOT A DEBATE. Figure it out.

[sfecap]

39. DK telling it like it is!

Kerry and Gep supported the attack....that's why people don't believe the Dems...

[realFedUp]

42. Dean says Bush has to tell us where the money is coming from

Kucinich says bring the troops home...

[realFedUp]

49. Dean says we can't pull out responsibly

Better tell us where the troops are coming from Doc...
do you believe in a draft?

[Dudley_DUright]

63. He would get more cooperation from the UN

Bush can't get anyone to help, but Dean could.

[NashVegas]

51. "He has no idear"

heehee

[FlashHarry]

69. His Vermont is showing.

That was actually kind of endearing. I'm pretty tired of the Southern drawl coming out of the Chimp's mouth. No offense meant to our friends below the Mason/Dixon line...

[MissB]

74. I found it

Kinda cute.

[DemPopulist]

80. I like that too

Reminds me of JFK and his talk about "Cuber"

[soleft]

43. Kucinich criticizing those who voted for IWR - Dean responds on 87 mil

Kucinich and Dean duking it out keeping troops in Iraq

[MissB]

48. Kuchinich directly asks whether Dean would spend the $87 billion

Good stuff here.

Dean talking about why we can't bring our troops home. Seems like it is the first time he's been able to say this. We can't pull out responsibly. Can't allow other regimes to come in and make it worse.

[Jawja]

57. Everytime

one of them gets to the point, Judy tries to interupt. Why don't they just have a bell, like they did in New Mexico?

[0rganism]

95. Because this is not a debate

Debates have time limits on answers, rebuttals, and responses. This is a free-for-all.

[hedda_foil]

71. He's said this consistently ... but has also been able to make the point

that he would go to the UN and get rid of US control of infrastructure, oil, government to get UN troops in and be able to get as many of our troops as possible out. He wasn't allowed time to say this but hopefully will in another round.

He also said this time, and always, that funding has to come from reversing the tax cuts.

[TheDonkey]

52. WHOA Edwards gets dirty, disses Clark.

[dean4america]

58. he, but he did it smoothly. nm.

[Woodstock]

82. I'm ready for Kucinich, Edwards, Braun, LIEberman & Sharpton

to drop out.

Flame away, but I want to hear what the ones who realistically might be in office are thinking so I can make up my mind.

Sharpton will be missed, but it's not that long before the primary - we need to hash these things out.

As for the comment that this is a debate so it's OK for them to act like spatting schoolkids, I disagree. It's OK to challenge each other, but not if it turns into a verbal brawl, nor if THE MESSAGE OF BUSH AS THE PROBLEM IS NOT GETTING OUT. At this point, it's been quite a while since I've heard Bush bashing from the candidates, and that's not good.

[Woodstock]

53. DEAN NAILED IT

There was no danger to Americans in Iraq before we went in

but there is NOW

so we can't just cut and run.

Can't believe Kucinich doesn't get it.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

62. But earlier Kucinich DID outline his plan

for pulling out of Iraq with the help of the UN. Dean is mischaracterizing his position.

[Sean Reynolds]

70. Just like DK mischaracterized Dean's position on the 87 billion.

[dean4america]

64. agree.

Dean, Clark, and Edwards looking the best... Kerry looking better than he has before.

And Al is doing a good job being Al :-)

[Cha]

85. I'm glad Dean is having some good moments in the lion's den...

I got this from thread #2


". Dean rocked! The crowd was with him

Edited on Thu Oct-09-03 08:41 PM by Woodstock
"This isn't about changing presidents, it's about changing the country."

And I liked when he said "The American people aren't as dumb as Washington thinks WE are." (he's one of us.)"

:kick:

[dolstein]

54. John Kerry will never be elected president

Anyone who listens to some of his answers, which are heavily weighed down by Washington jargon and entirely devoid of passion and clarity, will understand that this can simply cannot connect with the American public.

He's also just had a Michael Dukakis moment. If someone asks whether you'd support the death penalty for someone who rapes and murders your wife, the answer is "hell, yes."

If someone asks whether you'd take unilateral action if you have actual proof that Iran is about toe start building nuclear weapons and the UN refuses to do anything about it, the answer is "hell, yes" not "I question the premise of your question." What of friggin wuss.

[realFedUp]

78. I wouldn't count him out now.

[dolstein]

116. Oooh!! Edwards pulls a Clinton!!

Not quite a "feel your pain" moment. But still, it's an improvement over the others.

[Terwilliger]

55. Edwards: "They all had hope for Bush...I didn' have hope for Bush"

:D

[Jawja]

65. Thank Gawd

for a commercial break! I can go get that refill on my glass of wine.

I'm enjoying this with you guys tonight. Awesome!

[Q]

68. Clark: wants the Dem congress to confront Bush...

...on his preemptive strike policy. Says this is something that can't wait until 2004. Goes on to say that THIS policy is causing nations like Iran to acceletate their nuclear programs.

[Woodstock]

97. I like the way Clark focuses the attacks on Bush

I wish they all would.

[realFedUp]

61. Edwards mentions Albaugh's lobbyist firm in Iraq...

good point to bring up...we need some new talking points
here.

[w13rd0]

66. Despite the way CNN is running this...

...I give big points to those that are managing to introduce these vital datum to the dialogue:

Edwards on War Profiteering
Dean on being responsible and honest in our foreign policy
Kerry on leakgate
Sharpton on the obvious GOP pandering the "moderators" are doing...

Seems like they are all having to "seize the moment" in taking time, because this is SO poorly managed by CNN.

[Renew Deal]

67. Our (kick) people (kick) f'n (kick) ROCK!!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Jawja]

87. Wine refreshed

ready to go.

Audience member asking about helping out the military.

Clark volunteers a response: "Republicans like weapons systems; Democrats like people."

Great answer.

[onecitizen]

73. Judy is worthless.............

I just had to say that!!

GRRRRRRRRRRR

[Renew Deal]

77. She wants action tonight. I genneraly like the format.

[VermontDem2004]

84. I like Judy tonight

She is looking great.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

75. It's funny

on Cnn radio you hear Judy bitching about how she cant fix her hair or lipstick lol

[MissB]

81. Oh, that would be priceless.

LOLOLOL!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

112. I Don't Have A Mirror! I can't fix My Hair! I can't fix MY LIPSTICK!

[TheDonkey]

76. Judy was looking pretty raggid during the cut to break!! All the running

around up there being yelled at is getting to her.

[Q]

83. Taking questions from 'audience'...

...supposedly from 'Democrats and Independents'.

[southern democrat]

79. WTF MSNBC getting promoed on Cnn

Maybe they are all in cohoots.

[darknemus]

94. Is Howard Dean really short?

He looks like Lily Tomlin did when she played Ernestine sitting in that chair there.. I know its not particularly important, its just kinda goofy looking.

-darknemus

[MissB]

99. Tall chairs

I don't see any of them with their feet on the floor. Haven't looked at Kerry yet, though.

He is pretty short. don't care.

[darknemus]

108. I dont care either :)

He just looked like he was 10 sitting there.. probably the camera angle.

-darknemus

[displacedtexan]

109. i'm worried about his neck

his collar and tie look too tight. was he a wrestler?

[InkAddict]

86. InkAddict

Yes, Judy is being a "bad girl" but I'm lovin' the way the candidates are responding, apparently ruffling her feathers good! Geesh, if it would only sink into her thick, thick skull. Candidates are not backing down in their overall "togetherness" in getting rid of the current madness of K. George.

Now, let's hear questions from the audience!!!

[soleft]

88. Why didn't Ambassador Braun take her dress off during the commercial

All the guys got to get comfortable

[Sean Reynolds]

93. I just asked that..........

[Sean Reynolds]

103. #

;-)

[ComerPerro]

106. Well, you got my attention

That subject line made me very curious.

[MissB]

89. All sitting down now?

Edwards rolling up his sleeves.

[bluedog]

90. why are these men and woman

habing to stand there and defend our party? It sounds like woody is baiting these men into just defending our policies.....I hate this bitch...and yes CNN is getting a very nasty e-mail from me......

[LEW]

96. Judy doesn't look to happy

She can't interrupt with a commercial nor does she have control over the microphone. Cannot just hang up or lose contact (technical difficulty) like she can behind her comfy desk on CNN.

[dean4america]

100. kerry doing the clinton standing thing in a townhall setting...

but is not coming across with the clinton "feel"

[Jawja]

102. But hasn't that been

CNN's objective since 2000? To bash the Democratic Party? I remember how Jeff Greenfield was one of the ones to pushed the lie that Al Gore was a pathological liar.

What else to expect from CNN?

[realFedUp]

91. I like them sitting down...

nice to divide the format

[Terwilliger]

92. They're tired! They're sitting down!

;-)

[realFedUp]

107. Coatless too....kinda contrived but this is CNN....

Contrived News Now

[Terwilliger]

98. GO AL GO AL GO AL GO!!! Kicking SHRUB ASS!!!

Talking about Vet benefits cuts while Bush waves the flag!!!

[SweetZombieJesus]

101. Jesus, doesn't that place have air conditioning?

That poor guy is sweating to death in there.

Notice how Lieberman was a condescending kiss ass to the guy.

Kerry's good on the vets, but why is he standing up?

Al sounded good too, as usual.

[Hoppin_Mad]

105. Judy's a Repuke shill AND a control freak

What a bitch

[VermontDem2004]

113. Judy looks fine by me

[Avalux]

114. Her face is all pinched

she can't stand any of our guys and it's evident. Beeeeyaatch!

[soleft]

110. Edwards is trying to pull a Clinton

[dean4america]

117. did it better than kerry did

and he dominated the whole time so Dean couldn't give a better answer

[proud patriot]

115. Continue At thread #4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=507432

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