Dem Debate Thread #4

[proud patriot]

Here is the link to thread #1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506713

Here is the link to thread #2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=506993

Here is the link to thread #3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=507190

[realFedUp]

1. We've got diversity in our questioners....

wonder if these people are plants, interviewed beforehand
by CNN...

[karlschneider]

11. I'm gonna catch holy hell, but I'm gonna say it anyway. If Sharpton were

a white man he would have a huge shot at the nomination and the election.

Just another fuckin' shame.

[realFedUp]

31. Rev. Al has been a councilperson I think...

but if he's serious, he should run for another national
office first.

[karlschneider]

86. I think he knows he doesn't really have a chance and that is why he's free

to be brutally truthful. I will have more to say this in another thread after the debates...
ttyl

[JasonBerry]

90. And not fool the people like...

he did with Tawana Brawley. Yes! It's okay to talk about that! In fact, if ANY of the other candidates were to have been involved in such a thing THEY would not be there tonight.

With that said, Sharpton says a lot of the right things. But, I can say a lot of the right things. YOU say many of the right things. We aren't ALL presidential material. Sharpton and his hucksterism under the guise of religion shows he is NOT presidential material. To beat George Bush, we need somebody other than a white Al Sharpton, as your post seems to argue.

Kucinich and Edwards are doing great!

[ComerPerro]

2. I just want to say, after watching these debates

That whoever our nominee is, doesn't matter really, is going to just wipe the floor with Bush when they get to debate him.

If they get to debate him.

The competition the other nine are providing will help the eventual candidate be able to handle anything Rove and Smirky can throw at them.

[realFedUp]

5. Bush won't be able to pull an Arnold

and that flight suit's going to be too tight to wear...

[VermontDem2004]

7. It doesn't matter what Rove and Smirky throw out

The Dem candidate will throw back, unless it is a spineless Dem. But I can't see Dean, Kucinich, Sharpton, and others not throwing back after Rove and Smirky throw something at them. We won three straight Presidential Elections, I like our chances in 2004.

[kodi]

98. yeah, i was just thinking "political campaign darwinism"

we have a fine team which whomever wins the nomination, the rest fan out and hit the soap boxes come fall 2004

[MissB]

3. I like that real people are asking questions

Don't get the sneers that way from the moderators.

[VermontDem2004]

10. The Moderators were asking tough questions

boohoo :cry:

[MissB]

16. True.

Especially with the last woman, who was concerned about people's hearts.

Softball here.

[TheDonkey]

4. Sharpton is standing up for tribes.

[SweetZombieJesus]

6. I don't know about anyone else, but I wanna vote for this indigenous guy

He reminds me of my friend Martin.

Edwards looked really good talking to that lady. I'm starting to see the appeal just a little.

[realFedUp]

8. lol

He'd never make it onstage with that hair...

[darknemus]

Judy basically told them

In your answer to this question. (The question being "How can you, as President, help to reverse some of the hatred across the world towards the U.S.) - Judy actually said (paraphrasing) don't bash Bush in your answer.

-darknemus

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. this woman is nuts

jeez...

[displacedtexan]

12. just ask the bleeping question, lady!

so much time to ask: why does the world hate us?

[Kool Kitty]

19. Then Judy scolds them, like she's talking to three-year-olds:

Now I know that you're going to use this to attack the President, Blah blah...What, she's the official W protector?

[Athletic Grrl]

38. Kool Kitty,

to me it's actually a positive not to bash Bush. It forces the candidates to discuss THEIR issues. I'm actually learning something from them for a change.

[Kool Kitty]

77. Yes, I realize that.

But it offends me when someone who is supposed to be non-partisan puts out the rule that they can't take a shot at the President. It makes her look like a boot-licking hack. I understand what you mean, but that's my opinion.

[realFedUp]

Oh gads, this woman is taking up too much of her 15 minutes...

Dennis talking from the heart...land.

[MissB]

13. Question from another woman- she wants them to take their shirts off

Just kidding.Concerned about not being able to see the candidates heart. Concerned about hate being expressed in this world. Wants to know why there is so much hate towards the US, and how you as president would turn this around.

WOodruff saying I know you all hate Bush, use something other than Bush to answer this.

[Jawja]

18. Disgusting!

Can't criticize Bush! CNN is sooo afraid they might offend our imperial leader.

[Q]

20. Judy shouldn't show her partisanship...

...especially during a Democratic debate. It's just plain unprofessional if nothing else.

- Good answers on this question.

[SweetZombieJesus]

14. WTF is this lady prattling on about?

Ah, friggin Miss America questions. At least it gave Kucinich a chance to talk about the Dept. Of Peace. I love that idea.

[FlashHarry]

21. Bush has a department of piece

A little piece of Iraq, a little piece of Syria, a little piece of Iran...

[Woodstock]

15. WOODRUFF JUST SAID DON'T CRITICIZE THE pRESIDENT!!!

UNBELIEVABLE GALL!

[MissB]

25. I hope that someone ignores her and does bash bush.

They are being too nice. They need to ignore her directions.

[NashVegas]

84. Big Time - And I was disappointed that no one told that woman

that other nations don't hate us, the US people. they hate our imperialistic government.

[Cha]

29. You'd think she was married to robert novak or something instead

of al hunt.

[VermontDem2004]

32. I can understand what she meant

the person asked a question regarding on THAT Candidates plan and he went on to bash Bush. This is a problem I have with the Dem Candidates, they get asked a question on about what they will do in post war Iraq, health care, etc then they go on and bash Bush instead of outlining THEIR plan.

[TankLV]

121. Bur it IS pertinent to bash bunkerboy!

HE is the one who brought us this mess we call amerikkka today.

It's HIS policies that cause the hatred toward to USA today.

I would have reminded miss woodruff that the world doesnt' hate America or Americans - they hate BUNKERBOY and BUNKERBOY ALONE! I would constantly remind her that BUNKERBOY IS NOT AMERICA! He is only (barely) one "man" - a sonofabitch bastard idiot selfish greedy lying pig.

If we don't hold bunkerboy up to the disater he is, then we've already lost.

[Terwilliger]

40. not really

but she wants to see disagreement amongst the candidates

[CMT]

17. I have to hand it to CNN

they have put on the best debate yet imo. I think our candidates especially Dean, Edwards, Clark, Shapton, and Gep have been pretty good, nobody--not even Lieberman, has performed poorly.

[FlashHarry]

26. I think it's awfully moderated. The Fox debate was better than this

Woodruff is just awful.

[CMT]

42. but I think the candidates are more spontanious

and they are talking about many different subjects and actually at times debating one another.

[realFedUp]

22. Carol makes a good statement about being on the stage as a

black female candidate because this country made it possible...
the whole challenge is to make certain that this country
remains the greatest nation.

[displacedtexan]

23. dennis should run the dept. of peace!

great guy, but i fear trent lott would chew him up and spit him out. i want a prez who knows where the bodies in DC are buried and who isn't afraid to dig them up.

[realFedUp]

36. Will it have alert colors too?

I love the concept but...

[Terwilliger]

24. Braun is REALLY good

How about Braun/Kucinich?

[Renew Deal]

28. Braun is great. I have always liked her.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

34. If we had a better media and a more intelligent culture

those two would be the front runners.

[CMT]

I could get behind that ticket

or even Dean/Braun or Braun/Dean

I think we should have some diversity on the ticket in 2004.

[w13rd0]

93. I would LOVE to see Dean/Braun...

...but I don't know how realistic that is. All the buzz on the Dean blogs is Dean/Lewis.

[JohnKleeb]

112. would be nice

[soleft]

27. Gephardt, God, Church, God, Church

[SweetZombieJesus]

49. I winced a little when he said that, but the end part was nice

Gep's got a lot more fire than he used to.

Kids, MLK wasn't the only person who ever said smart things. Can we please get a broader cross-section of quotes?

Oh what the fuck! Kerry's Kids get to blindside Dean with some bullshit about Dean kicking the elderly off prescription plans?

This is fucking bullshit, why do Kerry's Kids get to send in some smear note?

[MissB]

30. ah, a question in spanish

with a translator.

[curse10]

33. Lieberman first to try to speak spanish?

that's the wager going on in this house

[Renew Deal]

35. Mi familia...blah blah

[0rganism]

55. She's concerned about the Spanish economy?

Hmm. Not so sure about that question. Ever since the Spanish armada was defeated, Spain's been on a downhill slide, but the EU membership ought to help out some.

[Woodstock]

37. Dean: small businesses create more jobs than big

and don't send the jobs outside the country.

[realFedUp]

39. Love the Deanman

he just makes me feel good.

[Cha]

Me, too!

Glad Dean is getting some good points in!

[Kool Kitty]

47. What the hell is this?

Judy's getting notes passed to her on stage, so she can use this to bash Dean? This doesn't seem right. I hate her.

[southern democrat]

97. Woodruff is a sorry excuse for a moderator.

O'reilly must be rubbing off on her. O'reilly light eith a dress.

[Renew Deal]

41. Kerry's campaign Ambushing Dean

[Renew Deal]

43. Big attack on Dean from Kerry

[Q]

45. Woodruff is trying to get a bit of infighting going...

...guess she didn't like it when they were complimenting each other.

[darknemus]

50. Kerry gets the LINE OF THE NIGHT

Two ways you can have lower prescription drug costs. #1 "You can hire Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper". BIG BADA BOOM!

-darknemus

[kentuck]

60. That was a good one !

:)

[Jawja]

52. Great line from

Kerry on "hiring Limbaugh's housekeeper" for prescription drugs!

However, what is with getting a question from Kerry's campaign to ask Dean?

[MissB]

44. Woodruff trying to trip up Dean

Asking didn't he try to terminate Seniors from his health (prescription) plan?

[southern democrat]

58. Kerry tore pigboy a new ass

[LEW]

59. Second great remark

To bring down prescription drugs, 2 ways

1. You can hire Rush's housekeeper
2. You can vote for Kerry

Great....

[hedda_foil]

61. Which he answered truthfully -- getting the Repuke Congress in Vt to back

raising cigarette taxes -- which they did. And Kerry goes right on to lie about the facts.

[VermontDem2004]

67. I don't see that as trying to trip him

the purpose of moderators is to ask questions, she just happens to be asking tough questions.

[MissB]

85. It was the way it was presented

"just handed a paper from the pressroom"

Underhanded tactic, imo.

But you're right. I should've used something other than trip up. Perhaps nail instead?

[Rose Siding]

79. He explained it directly and concisely

just as I've seen it written in articles addressing it. You want a program, it must be funded. Not funding it has the consequence of losing it. He drove it through his legislation and it just proves he get his policies passed.

[Woodstock]

46. Kerry completely lost me on that - I think forever

Underhanded, nasty, ...

Dean's answer was fantastic. And Kerry's rebuttal (to the free attack on Dean by his camp provided by Woodruff) was completely lame and didn't acknowledge the simple truth of the matter.

Kerry, you suck. That was dirty pool. There are limits to the nastiness I want to see from the candidates, and you just passed it so far I can't see you anymore.

[Renew Deal]

53. Faxes during the debate? That sounds planned.

[0rganism]

75. Woodruff shouldn't even have touched that shit.

That was very low, pulling a stunt like that.

[arcane1]

56. Kerry on prescription drugs: hire Rush's housekeeper!

LOL!

[Sean Reynolds]

64. Not only that Dean stated WHY he did that.

Dean KNEW the Vermont Legislature would not call his bluff. He got the cig tax passed - did they cut senior health care?

[SweetZombieJesus]

70. Yeah, what the hell?

That was total bullshit man. I thought this was talk to the audience, not "Hey Judy, ask Dean why he hates old people!" questions from Kerry's campaigners.

[darknemus]

73. Oh, I'd never vote for Kerry.

In the primary) I mean, I'd never drink Budweiser beer, but their commercials still amuse me :)

-darknemus

[Dudley_DUright]

76. That was unprecedented

I have never seen a staff of a candidate allowed to inject a question into the debate. I don't necessarily blame Kerry unless he preapproved the tactic. I was shocked that Judy brought it up.

[0rganism]

82. It's Woodruff's doing. She's totally fucked this up.

Pisses me off. Thoroughly. It's a farce.

[Sean Reynolds]

91. Where do you think she got it?

I bet from the hands of the Kerry campaign. BUT what pisses me off is the fact Kerry continued to LIE about it even after the fact Dean stated his stance.

[0rganism]

101. Yeah, that's where she says she got it

She shouldn't have allowed that loaded question. It was her choice, as de-facto moderator, to allow that BS to occur.

[MissB]

48. Drug plan- hire Rush's housekeeper or elect me

Kerry.

Funny.

[eleny]

Priceless!!!!!!! n/t

[soleft]

51. Every fucking Debate is gang up on Dean, I'm sick of this shit

Kerry, I don't care how funny you think you are with Limbaugh joke, and Woodruff, you bitch. What a cheap shot.

[Renew Deal]

62. It wasn't too bad until that last one. The last one was a bomb.

[eleny]

80. Dean held his own - be proud!

[TheDonkey]

54. WHOA KERRY!!! Just got a Rush Limbaugh diss in there! Excellent!

I think it was rude of his campaign to be circulating anti-dean papers even if it's true.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

57. Kerry zings Rush

Great line!

[eleny]

68. Hope it puts Rush in a SPIN!!!!

[Rooktoven]

Love the Kerry comment about Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper

that was a keeper

[karlschneider]

63. ROFL! Kerry: "If you want cheap prescription drugs, hire Rush's

housekeeper...or elect me"

:D

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[curse10]

65. I love Kerry

:-)

[Clark Can WIN]

66. Kerry: The way to lower prescription drug costs?

Hire Rush L's housekeeper! Freakin' funny.

:toast:

[Terwilliger]

69. Why should I believe Kerry when he says he wants to punish pharm companies

I've seen no evidence thatthe neoliberals want to put the real regulations on corporations.

[kwolf68]

87. Who is gonna do it?>

I believe other than Al and DK...Kerry may be your best bet (although I have a good feeling about Edwards)...

[revcarol]

94. Yeah, and Kerry is the Dem king of $2000 fundraisers.

Lieberman is next. So we expect them to not be beholden to their big contributors?

[realFedUp]

71. This debate is feeling a bit long now...

Go to closers.

[kanrok]

72. Kerry cracks up the crowd

"There are 2 ways to reduce your prescription costs, one way is to hire Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper, the other is to elect me president..."

[soleft]

78. Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, fireman has question of the night

[0rganism]

88. But Judy Woodruff jumps in, waving her hand

"we've discussed this already, I want to get on to the next question."

Oh, I just bet you do, you corporate media whore.

[ShaneGR]

89. Yeah, and they let Carol Mosely Blabber answer it

She was all over the place. I wanted to hear Clark ask the North Korea question.

BTW: I thought Kerry's stunt on Dean about healthcare was fuc*ed up and totally unfair.

[realFedUp]

81. Judy's interruptus continuous...

I think it's so the candidates can't use the footage
of what they are saying coz Judy's voice keeps chiming in...

[Woodstock]

95. Now she's talking while they are talking

I've NEVER seen such unprofessional behavior from a moderator.

[Avalux]

102. Has Clark had a question?

Seems Judy is ignoring him. He hasn't said much at all.

[Terwilliger]

83. YES! WMD question! Man wants to know what they'll do bout NK and Iran

[Avalux]

92. No go

Judy squashed that one. She's absolutely horrible. Letters to CNN everyone!

[rucky]

122. Judy Was Auditioning for WH Press Secretary

that's in my letter to CNN

[Lydia Leftcoast]

96. I could really support Carol Mosely Braun for Sec'y of State!

and Gephardt really fumbled on that small business owner's question.

[Kool Kitty]

99. No, Judy, it doesn't necessarily mean a tax increase.

Put away the republican talking points manual and just ask the questions.

[Kool Kitty]

106. Good answer on unions, Wes. n/t

[Renew Deal]

100. Lieberman: Where am I?

[Woodstock]

104. I STRONGLY dislike Joe Lieberman - no other way to put it

without cussing the **** out.

[soleft]

103. Lieberman laughs when he says "when I get into oval office"

even he doesn't believe it

[Renew Deal]

105. Did Edwards just push Clark?

[Kool Kitty]

113. What?

[Renew Deal]

119. It looked weird.

Clark was going to sit down and Edwards seem to push him to his seat. It looked strange.

[NashVegas]

107. Edwards on Replacement Workers

and banning them.

*smooches*

[messiah]

108. I

have not heard from Sharpton Or Dennis for about a half hour+?:crazy:.

[dweller]

117. Did you think you would?

i've read 4 threads composed primarily of DU member's remarks of candidate's remarks.
thanks for the editorials.
:eyes:
bah.
dp

[hedda_foil]

109. Why the hell did Woodruff just give 3 questions to Kerry?

[caledesi]

110. Is Dean in attendance? Shit, I haven't heard from him but once.

I am pissed. Only listening on CNN MP3. Why don't they call on him?

[Dudley_DUright]

111. Edwards gave a great answer to the union question

Striker replacement ban was very well received.

[Kool Kitty]

115. What, that's it?

No wrap up? Now Bill Schneider is saying Clark was too defensive, REAL democrats will be wondering-is he one of us? I don't think he did badly. Judy hardly asked him anything. She hardly asked Dean or Sharpton or Kucinich anything. And I don't think Clark should have to answer the democratic question anymore. He's done it. David Gergen just said that Eisenhower won Europe, Clark won Kosovo. I support Clark and I certainly don't expect him to be Eisenhower. Every other candidate can rest easy tonight, they are going to rip Clark apart for the rest of the week and weekend.

[coralrf]

120. should tell you who they fear...

think about it. If you are a puke..Clark has to go

[Lydia Leftcoast]

116. Judy was terrible

and whose ideas was it to have Jeff Greenfield ask his freepishly off the wall questions?

[revcarol]

114. Query: is DK being shorted on time?

That's my impression.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

118. My impression too

They didn't even ask him questions about areas that he's strong on, like health care, social security, and labor rights.