MSNBC Discloses "Dean Operative" Forwarded Negative Clark Article

[DoveTurnedHawk]

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Stirling Newberry, a Clark supporter and a computer consultant in Lowell, Mass., who maintains the www.DraftClark.com Web site, posted an open letter Wednesday that said Clark’s candidacy was becoming “nothing more than the (Al) Gore campaign (of 2000) with a better candidate.”

MSNBC.com learned of the Newberry letter from an e-mail sent out Wednesday by an operative in the Dean campaign

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/978122.asp?0cv=CA01

DTH

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. Cold Busted!

And people were worried about CLARK going negative and pulling dirty tricks?

And who is behind the negative push-polls on Clark in NH, I wonder?

DTH

[Zhade]

31. Wait a minute. You're taking MSNBC at their word? Are you INSANE?

You should know better than that.

[IndianaGreen]

55. Blowing hot air again, right counselor?

Stirling Newberry, a Clark supporter and a computer consultant in Lowell, Mass., who maintains the www.DraftClark.com Web site, posted an open letter Wednesday that said Clark’s candidacy was becoming “nothing more than the (Al) Gore campaign (of 2000) with a better candidate.”

MSNBC.com learned of the Newberry letter from an e-mail sent out Wednesday by an operative in the Dean campaign.

The Newberry letter was posted on a public website and it was also posted and discussed in DU over the weekend. Any DUer could have alerted MSNBC to the internal squabbles in the Clark campaign. This means nothing and it has no connection to the Dean campaign anymore than Saddam had WMD.

This not a courtroom where one puts their client in the best light, and the opposing party in the worst light possible. Your evidence is speculative and based on hearsay.

Is this all the Clark campaign has to offer America?

[JI7]

2. i don't understand

why did a clark supported post that letter on the website ?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. Newberry Is One Loudmouth With an Unfortunately Named Site

He used to be involved with "draftclark.com" but he's proven himself to be an egotistical whiner.

I cannot believe the whore media picked up on this one person's rant. They must be really desperate to slime Clark.

DTH

[NashVegas]

4. So?

People post negative articles about candidates here on DU all the time. Someone in Dean's campaign was smarter and tipped off the MSNBC about discontent in Clark's campaign, instead of bringing it here.

Wired published a story about this same kind of discontent two weeks ago. Do you suppose someone in Dean's campaign tipped them off, too?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

5. When a Campaign Does It

That's a whole different story.

If that's all well and good with you, then I'm sure you'll have no complaint if the General responds in kind.

Somehow, I suspect you'll be complaining about it, though.

DTH

[JasonBerry]

16. Probably

I think you're probably right about that. It all depends on what side of the fence you're on when the ball flies over.

[TLM]

58. This was a public story....

This looks like nothing more than a Dean person sending an existing story to MSNBC.

It isn't like it was a leak or a lie, this was nothing but a forwarded story that was out for like two weeks.

But I guess you guys need something to attack Dean as Clark is screwing his own supporters for the special interests.

[Capn Sunshine]

7. really. This is just ludicrous. As always

Try to remember the priority is to beat Bush
Ease up on the Dean campaign. Or pick on all of them
not just the frontrunner.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

8. "EASE UP" on the Dean Campaign?!?

So the Dean campaign dishes uncorroborated slime to the press, and suddenly THEY'RE the victims?

What world are you living in?

:crazy:

DTH

[Nazgul35]

11. uncorroborated? what was uncorroborated?

Was the letter posted or not?

How does pointing out a high profile groups discontent with a campaign it helped create equal slime? At least, unlike most of the attacks against Dean, this was not false or misleading information...

Welcome to the campaign....

[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. It's Not a "High-Profile" Group

It's ONE website with an article by ONE axe-grinder.

DTH

[virtualobserver]

17. When the article is on DraftClark.com.......

it is slightly more meaningful.

So explain to me why this guy is so bad.

You are characterizing his actions in a very negative way.

It Looks like Kerry and Clark have inherited all that was wrong in the Gore campaign.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

19. The Main Sites Were "DraftWesleyClark" and "DraftClark2004"

"DraftClark" was a blip of a site, with blog entries getting less than ten entries, until this latest stunt gave the writer his 15 minutes of fame.

Read the entry! It is an arrogant, egotistical, "do what I want, poopie-heads, or else I'm taking my ball and going home, wah!" type of rant, and he even THREATENS the Clark campaign.

It's one guy. That's all, one guy. There is no organization behind him, just himself and his ego.

DTH

[virtualobserver]

23. OK. but do you really like Fabiani and Lehane?

I'm not a fan of those guys.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

46. Lehane Isn't Working for the Campaign

And Fabiani was NOT promoted to one of the two top spots.

I'm not sweating it. Clark hasn't gone negative on anyone.

Dean, Edwards, Gephardt, Kerry and Lieberman all have.

DTH

[roguevalley]

6. Frat boy crap. I wish everyone would grow up. If not, that frat boy

in the white house will get another term.

[Name removed]

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[Demobrat]

10. Um, it was posted on the front page of his blog.

Not exactly deep throat stuff.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

12. Even Lamer

Dean has NO right to whine now when people slime him.

DTH

[poskonig]

13. LOL!

:toast:

[Mz Pip]

15. Some fool got his

knickers in a twist because things didn't go his way. Waaa waaa waaa.

The Clark campaign won't be hurting with this guy gone.

As far as the Dean campaign being behind this. I can't believe they would be that stupid. This was one guy with a grudge. End of story.

MzPip
:dem:

[Dob Bole]

18. Isn't the Gore campaign with a BETTER candidate what we want? nt

[virtualobserver]

20. I think that Gore without the "Gore Campaign" would have been great

I think that the problem was Shrum, Lehane and Fabiani.

[Snellius]

56. Last time I checked, didn't Gore get more votes?

It's amazing how many Democrats buy into the Republican propaganda.

[Terwilliger]

21. Isn't every Dean supporter on this site a "Dean operative'?

Same for Clark supporters? Kucinich supporters? Edwards suupporters?

This is a non-story. Clark supporters should listen to your candidate...he says he won't attack...what say you?

[gully]

26. LOL...Good point

Dean 'operative' here.

[Name removed]

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[Terwilliger]

35. Bob Novak and I go back a long way

I believe he's a piece of red meat that is slowly digesting deep within my bowels, slowly over the decades...he's just as loud, too

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. Now, there's an image worth scrutinizing!

"I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille."

[Demobrat]

36. Do I get to be an "operative" if I just post something from Clark's

blog on Dean's blog, or here, or do I have to send it to a TV station? I wanna be an Operative, dammit.

[mandyky]

22. Uh Huh, Blame Dean because Clark

has pissed off his grassroots supporters? And why did that guy resign yesterday? Was that also Dean's fault?
Nope!
Clark is Gore's campaign with a General instead of a former VP...
I didn't vote for Gore, and I am not sure I'll vote for Clark if he wins the nomination. Clark is too new to being a Democrat for me to trust or believe him.

[JI7]

24. why didn't you vote for al gore ?

?

[mandyky]

49. The debates did it for me, plus

I live in KY where Gore wouldn't have won, so I voted for Nader. Gore really ran a crappy campaign.

[JI7]

52. i didn't think he ran a good campaign either

but i knew he would make a great president. and had no problem voting for him.

[poskonig]

25. You hafta admit Clark *is* better than Bush, no?

I know this campaign stuff stirs the passions, but listen to the head.

[grasswire]

27. look.

The guy in question is reported to have had trouble getting along with netizens way before this Clark stuff happened. Ask former Table Talkers. Ask people on the old TAP message board. He blew up on those boards and others. Now Democrats are getting hurt.

Bright guy. It's a shame. Here's the pic he supplied for the Table Talk gallery.

[Clark Can WIN]

32. Vuckin' Yikes

good riddance scary man.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

43. Clark Hasn't Pissed Off His Grassroots Supporters

I blame Dean's campaign for sending uncorroborated material with the intention of being malicious.

If that's the tone he wants, I'm sure that's the tone he'll get. I just don't want to hear any whining when people go after Dean, too, not only as they have been, but as they will be.

I'm also pissed at the media, for taking the word of one blogger with a previously anemic following as gospel, without any independent investigation. But I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about that.

DTH

[progressivebydesign]

28. Oh please.. define "OPERATIVE"!

Was it someone they KNEW was part of the campaign? Was it a overzealous DUer? Was it one of Newberry's pals getting more negative press for Clark so he could air his gripes? I just have to laugh when I think that somone on DU took the time to post this article.. as though it is some indictment of Dean. This Dean vs. Clark deathmatch on DU is just so juvenile. And I'll tell you.. it's the Clark people that generally have their panties in a bunch around here.. lighten up.. jeez!

I did think it was funny to read of the "200 grassroots volunteers" Clark's campaign spokesperson spoke of. 200? That's not a whole lotta volunteers. I think they misspoke there. They dismissed this person, who felt he was part of getting Clark to run, as some disgruntled quack. Sad.

[Malikshah]

29. I just read the article---where does it say talk about Dean?

DTH

Give
It
Up

This was a pathetic attempt on your part to attack the Dean Campaign. This letter was old news last night.

You need to unclench.

[Renew Deal]

37. Right here

MSNBC.com learned of the Newberry letter from an e-mail sent out Wednesday by an operative in the Dean campaign

[MGKrebs]

30. So let me get this straight:

The owner of an unofficial Clark website posts a self-written "open letter' on the front page of his website, pointing out a perceived weakness in his chosen candidates campaign, by saying it is becoming nothing more than "the Gore campaign with a better candidate" - not exactly a dramtically negative claim- and an un-named "campaign operative" allegedly from a rival campaign, who could be a volunteer from anywhere, points out the letter to a media source, and the scandal is the guy who pointed out the letter to MSNBC?

Slow news day?

[stickdog]

33. Who was the operative?

And did MSNBC send him or her a thank you note for doing their job for them?

[zeemike]

39. I’ll bet it was you Stickdog

We know you are a Dean ”operative”
So am I but not as good as you are.

[Capn Sunshine]

45. shouldn't we cue some spy music?

and can you believe that exchange just below?

[dfong63]

40. sure, blame the messenger, just like Arnie Schwarzengroper did

... when confronted by unpleasant news, instead of confronting the facts, he accused his rivals of "puke politics". he attempted to change the subject from his own problems, to blaming others for bringing them up. i see DTH has picked a page from Arnie's playbook.

[Bertrand]

41. sure, attack the poster, just like Adolf Hitler attacked the Jews

... when confronted by unpleasant news, instead of confronting the facts, he killed his rivals. He attempted to change the subject from his own problems, to blaming others for bringing them up. i see Dfong63 has picked a page from Adolf's playbook.



i mean, seriously, are you even trying. This is pathetic.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

44. Oh, Is dfong Yapping Again?

I really wouldn't know.

Again, I'll be sure to remind people of this thread the next time Dean is slimed.

DTH

[Evanstondem]

42. Yawn

So what?

[Dr Fate]

47. We DEMS constantly play into the Bush/media's hands...

...the candidates (and DUers) need to cut this crap out- it gives Bush/media more excuses to cast us in a negative light...

[VolcanoJen]

48. John Hlinko is still involved... and he was a grassrootser.

He authored tonight's debate blog that's up on the official Clark campaign website now. Hlinko started the DraftWesleyClark.com website, and along with his partner was the guy who got most of the early press coverage of the draft movement.

http://blog.clark04.com/

Unfortunately, Sterling Newberry of DraftClark.com continues to post his whinings about not being chosen for a high position in the campaign on his highly visible website. It's divisive, it's counterproductive, and it's pretty childish. It's awfully clear to me from his posts why he didn't receive an important role in the continuing campaign.

The whole mess is sad, but I'd rather blame Newberry's whinings on Newberry, and not the Dean camp.

[tlb]

50. Chris Lahane has joined the Clark campaign

along with the rest of the DLC gang. The Dean leak will seem mild compared to what we may expect coming from Clark in the near future.

[Renew Deal]

53. Don't be so sure.

Clark has been playing nice so far. I think he wants to keep it that way. I think the guns are there for Bush, not Dean and friends.

[Patriot_Spear]

51. Do you brainiac's REALLY think this changes anyone's mind about Dean?

Come on- take the training wheels off your bike and grow up.

[Renew Deal]

54. So you want to shut people up.

It is a legitimate issue. You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.

[IndianaGreen]

57. This is a non-issue being raised by alarmists among Clark's supporters

If this had been a confidential memo internal to the campaign, you would have a point. It wasn't!

DTH is grasping at straws, trying to create an issue were none exists. This is the DU version of the media saying Kobe-Kobe-Kobe, while Iraq is going down the tubes!