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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:48 PM
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SOURCES BELIEVE SOMEONE HAS FLIPPED IN WH, AIDING LEAK INVESTIGATION
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 07:49 PM by jefferson_dem
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS TO REPORT THAT SOURCES BELIEVE SOMEONE HAS FLIPPED IN WHITE HOUSE, AIDING LEAK INVESTIGATION.... DEVELOPING...

no link yet

Courtesy of the ace site -> http://www.rawstory.com/
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:49 PM
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1. is the new york daily news a stellar representative of media? nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:51 PM
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3. They broke the Limbaugh oxy story.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:51 PM
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4. i thought that was the National Enquirer?
that did Limbaugh with the drugs.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:52 PM
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6. the Daily news had it 1st i believe but if i'm wrong someone will correct
me.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:12 PM
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17. Both the Daily News and Newsday have been good on this story
The Daily News is a tabloid, to be sure, but they have real news, and were actually better at covering New York politics than the New York Times all through the 1980's (their coverage of the Donald Mannes parking bureau scandal was stellar). It's not at all on the level of the New York Post, if that's what you're asking.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:13 PM
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18. New York Daily News broke Newt's tantrum on air force one
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:26 PM
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23. it has a great record -- much better than the NY Post :)
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:33 PM
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27. No, but they are much better than the New York Post(Murdoch rag).
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:42 PM
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32. NYPost is a total Murdoch rag but
...they did expose the GHWBush affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald back in the day.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:38 PM
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29. Stellar? Like say...NY Times???? It's a tabloid that gets it right once
in a while - had a few good covers over time.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:51 PM
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2. By flipped, do they mean went batshit crazy
or they've turned on the administration?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:53 PM
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7. LOL. Likely the latter but i could understand why the former is plausible
considering the bunch of freakazoids said "flipper" would have to contend with on a daily basis.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:52 PM
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5. Be funny if it was *
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:53 PM
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8. I feel there a few deep throats in there throwing monkey wrenches in the
gear boxes....

Too many signs support this feeling....
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:53 PM
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9. Hopefully, Raw Story isn't leading us by the nose again with a non-story
It's teaser "developing scoop" that one of Cheney's underlings left the continental U.S. turned out to be a big nothing.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:04 PM
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15. they were right about Bloomberg's article on Cheney
that was put out last week, days before the Bloomberg story came out. that's a pretty big deal.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:21 PM
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20. Could've been something... It was pretty weird
What's this RS criticism going on? Have I missed something?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:19 PM
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49. Sorry, but RawStory's been right far more often than....
...they've been wrong, and I don't think they've been wrong more than once, if at all.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:31 AM
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56. What are you "sorry" for?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:53 PM
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10. Tee Hee Hee!
*giggle*

Oh, this so amusing!
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:55 PM
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11. My money's on
Ari!

Or Mary Matalin.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:57 PM
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14. Mary Matalin is a good bet
she has two young children to think about. Wouldn't want them visiting Mommy in jail.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:34 PM
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28. This could explain the DU thread last week
in which James Carville was looking a bit haggard. He must be terrified right now. It was trumpeted on that other website that MM was planning on resigning from the White House three years ago and it didn't happen.

Whatever she might be, it's hard for me to believe that he would still be with a woman who wasn't a good mother. I'm sure the moms here would agree -- they would do ANYTHING for those babies. I can't believe she'd think it preferable to protect the jackals in the White House and spend the next however many odd years visiting with her babies in the prison visitation area.

Julie
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:57 PM
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39. Now that you mention it....
This is when you expect James Carville to be out there heaping it on with his Cajun drawl.

Is he being quiet due to spousal conflict?
Does make ya wonder.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:56 PM
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12. If they flip
and do not name Cheney then it's kinda worthless. Everyone knows it's Rove and Libby for sure anyway. But I suppose an air tight case is not nothing. They've always told me beggars can't be choosers. But damn I'm picky. CHENEY!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:56 PM
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13. I don't trust Raw Story anymore
They are starting to turn into the Drudge Report of the left.

Then again, even Drudge is right about 30% of the time, so I'll be open-minded, but skeptical.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:19 PM
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19. How so, exactly?
I haven't found that to be the case. Did I miss something?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:10 PM
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46. Going out on limb here...but think that Novak Flipped way back when he
left CNN...and has been the BIG Source for Fitz. But this might be something New from Raw Story. Someone who has recently flipped after Novak spilled the beans. Maybe it IS Ari...he was on AF-1 when the infamous "Memo" with "top secret" Plame was flagged yet it was "passes around." :shrug:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:22 PM
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51. Baloney.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:05 PM
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16. I'm betting on Colin Powell!!!
He's the fall guy who wasn't going to fall!!!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:23 PM
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21. Ari retired a while back, so technically
the phrase "someone has flipped in the White House" does not apply to him... but I think he's the likeliest candidate.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:26 PM
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22. I would not say flipped
but I could believe somebody is helping the leak investigation for other reasons, conscious reason, payback for maybe a friend's death in Iraq etc.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:26 PM
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24. I predicted a big flip a few days ago.
"Flippin' like pancakes," I believe I said.

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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:28 PM
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25. maybe it's Jeff Gannon
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 08:31 PM by cal04
or Rove and that's why he hasn't been at the functions
seriously, I hope it's someone who can finally get these guys
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:29 PM
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26. It could be any number of people.
Think about how disgruntled the CIA has been with this administration. Just imagine how they have been grinding their axes, waiting to see how things shake down.

It could be more than 1 person. Think of that lunatic Cambone, or the Fundie Wild-eyed freak General Boykin. It may be not somebody sympathetic to our cause, either. It could be some Fundie who feels that Bush has let them down, or he's not moving fast enough to get this country back to the 12th century.

It could be 2 people, working together. Maybe somebody like Steven Hadley, or anybody who has been slighted by these people.

That means LOTS OF PEOPLE. A small army of them.

Keep it up, whoever you are.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:40 PM
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30. "We will find the leaker of of the leaker." n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:40 PM
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31. Flipping? Ya mean, flipping?
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:44 PM
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33. Hint, the name of the flipper
is a 4 letter word. :evilgrin:

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:44 PM
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34. What does flip mean?
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:46 PM
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36. Flipped = Changed sides / loyalties
They're no longer loyal to those in the White House and are telling what they know.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:58 PM
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41. Thanks, that was just confusing as a headline. DU'rs are so damn smart!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:45 PM
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35. I'm getting tired of this BAIT AND SWITCH
thing that RawStory has going one here at the DU.. they don't even post RawStory in the Title of the thread anymore..

and is this like the Third thread with the same subject and a RawStory link slapped on it..

Anyone else getting a little pissed about that? I refuse to go to their site (and I gave them every chance) since they started playing Trojan Horse with the threads..

They are MAKING MONEY by just funneling people to their site and once you get there it's from ANOTHER NEWS SOURCE.

Stop it. Get some real SCOOPS, you have before and THEN I will come to your site and click on all your sponsors, but Come ON, what RawStory is doing is less than credible..

When Takebackthemedia.com says, "We have a great new Flash political ad on our site" you don't get a link to TBTM and then a BushFlash piece of work..

You are not going to beat the right by EMULATING THEM. We don't need another fake Drudge, we need a Good solid site that is basically a Yahoo for Liberals and Progressives..
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:57 PM
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38. I like Buzzflash a LOT (but that is just headlines, which I like tho) n/t
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:13 PM
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48. Buzzflash has MORE than headlines
and you know when you get there that it's a link site, they don't claim those stories to be THEIRS.

They also Interview INCREDIBLE folks on the Progressive side, and a LOT of other things there, they work HARD for Liberals, etc..

Seen any Ads there? You won't, if anything it's someone or something they want to bring attention to.. they take donations so they DON'T have to advertise - our site has One Popunder and that's IT..

The last thing you want to do if you are fighting the media with truth is to Sell Out, or post nonstories and conjecture as fact..

Drudge is a DUMBASS, why would anyone want to imitate HIM?
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:32 PM
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54. Whoops! SORRY, you're so right! Buzzflash is MUCH more!
Brain brownout! I don't know WHAT I was thinking!!!

The RS ads are kinda cheesy and I don't like them either.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:58 PM
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40. For what it's worth - - -
I posted this story and am not at all affiliated with rawstory, though i do visit that site frequently.

It would have been nice to include "rawstory" in the subject line but i ran out of space and wanted as much of the potentially juicy details in that as possible.

I don't think this is a dupe of another thread.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:13 PM
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47. .....
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:15 PM by Tatiana
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:20 PM
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50. Thanks. My oversight.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:59 PM
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42. I am in total agreement!
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:02 PM
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44. Yea, I rarely...
visit them unless the byline is theirs.

Hey SymbolMan, hope yer feelin better.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:53 PM
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37. Nothing on the NY Daily News site yet (link here)
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:01 PM
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43. If true, I suspect it's Ari.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:03 PM
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45. Ladies and Gentlemen,
We have this generation's 'Deep Throat'

Headline: Bush gets sucked out of White House!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:23 PM
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52. It's been rumored for over a year that John Hannah flipped. Early in
the investigation the FBI/DOJ was apparently putting the heat on him to turn him. Hannah worked for Cheney and was the liasion with the INC (Chalabi) for intel on Iraq. (You know, the kind of crap our Ms. Miller shoveled up with regularity and made its way into the Administrations "facts" about Iraq?)

Maybe some one else also has "assisted the investigation" which certainly would gladden one's heart, but Hannah's been at least one possible candidate as a source for Fitz since spring 2004. Let's hope for many, many more.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:24 PM
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53. I think it's more than one individual...the thought of prison for a....
...substantial amount of time would be enough to get a number of folks thinking about alternative solutions.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:36 PM
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55. THE DAILY NEWS BLOWS
They endorsed bush in November. That shows you what kind of people run that paper.

Having said that...... they are WAY better than the Post and I do believe there is a leak. Powell or Mrs. Carville.

bush is going DOWN! His lies have finally caught up with him.

Too bad the media treats a hummer more seriously than TREASON. This story should be covered like a missing white girl!
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