Very funky Diebold results in CA! Have you seen this?

[ElementaryPenguin]

While Diebold users represented 17% of the state total, obscure, unknown candidates (NOT natives from the counties) were getting like 95% and 65% of their total votes from these Diebold districts! Suggesting that they were taken from someone else's total! Precisely what occured in Florida!!

http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

[yella_dawg]

1. Just out of curiosity

Could someone check the vote totals and look for prime numbers in the precinct and county tallies? Tons of websites have long lists of primes. Prime totals were far too common in Texas in 2002. Prime totals reek of unsophisticated vote shifting algorithms.

[ElementaryPenguin]

3. Excellent idea.

I can't do it myself right now. I sure hope someone does. The more proof their is, the bigger stink that can be raised - whether it would have turned the outcome of this election or not. The hacking (or vunerability to it) is obviously the point!

[rogerashton]

2. One of these days Mickey is going to win an election.

Mouse I mean. Then you will know that the anarchists hacked last.

[AP]

4. Florida had an unusually high number of third party candidates

One of the early theories was that Republicans knew that more candidates meant a more complicated ballot, which increased the likelihood of errors in butterfly districts, and it gave ballot designers an extra chance to design a confusing ballot (like the one with the instruction "vote every page" and placing names so that it's not clear whether you're voting the bubble next to Lieberman or Buchanan).

But I also see now that it gives you more chances to siphon votes away from the people the voters really wanted.

[ewagner]

6. AP

If I'm not being too nosey...

who is the avatar pic?

[creativelcro]

16. You are nosey :)

"If I'm not being too nosey...

who is the avatar pic?"

:pals:

[E_Zapata]

5. Free Elections is defined by the PERCEPTION that no foul play occurred

And as such, democracy has been thwarted by the simple fact that there is so much distrust of the voting mechanisms.

That's the thing, in our society (that I believed we had), there should be very little to no questions over the fairness in the election process. We shouldn't ahve to prove 100% beyond any doubt at all that fraud occurred. We shouldn't have to find the actual culprits that committed the voting fraud.

That is what steams me the most about all this voting crap --- the sheer distrust of the system is proof enough that FREEDOM has been thwarted. (So, why do the terrorists still hate us? We don't have freedoms to hate any longer!)

[LibDemAlways]

7. Tulare County, in the Central Valley, is conservative.

No surprise that Arnold pulled 55% here. However, no one is ever going to convince me that an unknown Dem named Ronald Palmieri got 995 legitimate votes - 1.5% of the county total and twice as many as Camejo. And an Independent named Jerome Kunzman another 694 or 1.1% - no way. Not possible. This stinks.

[DerBeppo]

17. ?

why is it so hard to believe that the green party got so few votes in a very, very conservative county?

also, palmieri was the only openly gay canidate and pulled in a lot of votes for that reason alone. Kunzman ran a very pro-hunting ticket and in those areas, that could go over much more than camejo's nearly invisible campaign.

it's getting more and more disconcerting that everytime the public decides that they don't agree with or flat out don't like certain democratic canidates or issues many on here run straight for the conspiracy pacifier.

sometimes i get the feeling that many here would be happy with ditching the voting process all together as long as those in charge have a (D) next to their names.

[T Roosevelt]

8. Is there a site that lists Calif vote machines by county?

The link only has the Diebold - it would be interesting to compare with all other types.

[GregD]

9. SoS totals are here

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm

The problem is that the totals by county are all on separate pages. I have someone extracting all the data onto a spreadsheet, and will have it available for general download early next week latest. Then we can look at the state as a whole and figure out what the heck went on here.

I already posted a note here about a local guy who received votes from all over the state, and it makes no sense at all:
http://whitestarwebsitedesign.com/bbvreport/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=82

[T Roosevelt]

12. I pulled the data out into an Excel spreadsheet this afternoon

If you want I can send it to you.

I don't recall seeing county machine types on the SoS site. Hoping I don't have to go to each individual county site to get the info.

Also, is there a site that has CA county registration breakdowns by party? Would also be interesting to run stats on those numbers...

[arcane1]

10. smelly...

the good news, such as it is, is that BBV has been getting a lot of attention in the press lately, and the recall seems to be giving it a kcik too

[SoCalDem]

11. Something odd about the propositions too..

I understand hat they both failed?? (I was in Tahiti til today)

The propositions were REPUBLICAN agenda issues.. If they FAILED, it was due to the DEMOCRATIC voters voting them DOWN... It's hard for me to believe that they took the time to vote them down, and then voted Ahhhnold IN..

Reminds me of the class size proposition in Fla.. (JEB's selection)

[fizzana]

13. The propositions failed because there was a huge ad

campaign against 54 and 53 mandated more spending which is not exactly a winner in this climate.

[arcane1]

14. somewhere on DU is a thread...

about the number of people who voted "no" on the recall, yet picked ARNOLD as the replacement :silly:

[fizzana]

15. Would the funky results in Tulare county signify that the

machines aren't reliable rather than that there was foul play. Wouldn't someone trying to fix the election siphon votes from Bustamante to Schwarzenegger rather than to third party candidates where the counts stick out like a sore thumb.

I would also imagine in the long run, it is easier to make a case that the machines aren't reliable rather than the far more difficult to prove idea that the election was fixed.