American Muslim Convert Stabbed, Called ‘Terrorist Pig’

[PsychoDad]

Anti-muslim terror continues in the U.S.

WASHINGTON, October 7 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – In a new "Islamophobic attacks" – on the rise since the 9-11 attacks, a U.S. convert wearing hijab was stabbed in Virginia by a White male teenager shouting "you terrorist pig," before running away, said the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Tuesday, October 7.

...snip...
"Unfortunately, we are seeing a rise in Islamophobic attacks that parallels
the ongoing right-wing campaign to demonize Muslims and Islam," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

"This smear campaign is having an impact on those in our society vulnerable to the siren song of hatred and prejudice.

Article here:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-10/07/article01.shtml

[sistersofmercy]

1. This makes me sad and angry at the same time!

Ignorance knows no bounds!

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. Internment inches closer

There will not be much objection heard from the affluent voting classes.

Some may feel a slight discomfort as neighbors and co-workers are led away. This site will have a small flurry of posts on the subject, but the majority will agree that "bothered' is too strong a word to describe their feelings.

[Cascadian]

3. Just sick!

I am so damn sick of people getting tagged as terrorists. Heaven forbid there is another 9/11 style attack in America. If that happens then all Arabs and Muslims in the U.S. are screwed. Blind, mindless violence and going with primal instincts instead of intelligence seems to be the law of the land now.


John

[pnb]

92. Just sick!!

I imagine those actually caught in that attack might be a bit screwed as well...:eyes:

[_Jumper_]

4. CAIR has blood on its hands

If American Muslims marhed after 9/11 in condmenation of the attacks the backlash wouldn't have been nearly as bad as it has been.

I am not a Muslim but "morans" think I am. Thanks to these bigots I'll probably be moving to Canada in a few years.

This bigotry is mostly right-wing but it is not limited to it. You'll find plenty of anti-Islam sentiment right here on DU.

[Cascadian]

5. I know what you mean.

And sadly, it stems on a person's bias particularly when it comes to America's Middle East policies. I do not think that Arabs or Muslims always hated America like the right-wing would want people to think. It is just one-sided attitudes that has gotten us in trouble and I fear may get us further into trouble. If it continues, I maybe right behind you towards America's exit door.

John

[Malikshah]

6. I take it you didn't notice all the announcements, etc

Sorry--Muslims died in the twin towers along with everyone else--take a look at the list of the dead and/or missing.

Look at the announcements by CAIR, the vigils held throughout the country in mosques, sorry-- there was nothing Muslims in the US could do to stop the vitriol-- it was something that they have continued to bear to the best of their ability.

I agree-- there will always be hatred for various segments of society. DU has it's own issues to deal with, as we all are all well aware.

[_Jumper_]

7. Marching in Washington to condemn the attacks would have been a PR coup

But these groups didn't do it. They can march to protest Israel but couldn't march to condemn 9/11. :eyes:

[sistersofmercy]

13. DON'T

bring Israel into this!

[Cascadian]

19. You may not agree with me but....

the U.S. foreign policy as it stands with the Israel-Palestinian issue is just too biased towards the Israelis and that is one of the biggest reasons many Arabs hate our guts. America should have been even-handed in dealing with this issue. I had a lot of hope when Clinton got Arafat and Rabin together, but sadly, the right-wing in the U.S. and Israel as well as the Islamic militants in the Arab world were going to have none of that so it was derailed. The supposed "road map for peace" is a map that goes nowhere. It offers too much for Israel and too little for the Palestinians. And now that we invaded Iraq, that Arab anger has been inflamed. Americans will not be welcome in the Middle East for many years to come.

John

[sistersofmercy]

22. I do agree.

Rabin was assassinated by a radical Israeli settler that's what stopped the peace process then.

[atreides1]

8. You're Right

There is both anti-Islam as well as anti-Israel sentiment, but I've noticed very few people are upset with the anti-Islam sentiment.

But boy say one bad thing against Israel, get ready for the accusations of being anti-Semitic. I'm not anti-Jewish, anti-Islam, anti-Christian, anti-Atheist. I am anti-Stupid.

[Selwynn]

10. A-FARKING-MEN! :D

You get the perfect post award.

[BiggJawn]

51. I agree.

And if you check the I/P Gulag,. you might find some posts that haven't been scrubbed where I state the same thing.

Do you suppose this sick crap (attacks on Muslims) is on the rise again because TinMan Cheney is out there beating the "Be AFRAID! Be VERY Afraid!" drum?

[sistersofmercy]

11. I think American Arabs were fearful of the backlash from the beginning.

I can't say I blame them, there has been brewing anti-arabic sentiments in the US long before 9/11. Sadly.

[_Jumper_]

12. I agree

However, Arabs, Muslims, and South Asians have not done everything they could to mitigate the backlash.

[sushi]

18. They themselves

are also afraid of these extremists.

[PsychoDad]

24. What would you have them do?

They condemmed the actions...
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

What more can they do?
Since 9/11 more and more muslims in the US have tried to build bridges by joining with ecumenicle groups to discuss this issue. More have talked to university groups, schools and civic groups.

[_Jumper_]

37. Hold a national march in Washington or NYC...

...and tell the public that they don't support terrorism. Just think of how many on the fence people would have been won over by doing that after 9/11!

[Fatima]

27. Are Christians doing enough to protest what is being done in their name?

like the molestation of children, the murder of abortion doctors, and the dropping of bombs on thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans? Who had nothing to do with 9-11? Yes, a fundy Christian president is doing all this...because, as he has said, God "told him" to.

What rank ignorance.

[_Jumper_]

42. Are Christians being killed and injured in hate crimes here?

Ignorance? You missed my point. :eyes:

[Terwilliger]

55. This is America...it should not be up to Muslims to change themselves...

to fit the hysterical fear of Americans.

[_Jumper_]

62. Who said they should change???????

This is America. Muslims are a threatened minority. It would make sense if they tried to improve their image.

Since you brought up assimilation, did you notice that discrimination against the Irish, Italians, Jews and Germans has declined dramatically since they assimilated?

[Terwilliger]

86. So 3rd or 4th gen. should beef up his/her image?

The other long-term American Muslims have to shape up?

I HOPE you see the problem with what you suggest. I hope.

[Trek234]

58. Whatever

Makes sense this is coming from a Clark supporter.

It is NOT the responsibility of a muslim/jew/or any other minority to prove themselves to racists.

However, it IS the responsibility of racists to follow the laws in this nation.

I would say that racists have not done enough to prevent themselves from comitting crimes against those they feel have not "done everything they could to mitigate" their hate.

[_Jumper_]

61. Quit twisting my words

I didn't say that they had to prove themselves to "racists". I simply used logic and concluded that *gasp* it would help Muslims(a religious, not racial group)if they improved their image. What a bigoted concept! :eyes:

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. Anti-Islam sentiment? Here? Now let's hear more about CAIR and blood

What other information is available about that?

[_Jumper_]

16. There is a reason for the anti-Islam sentiment

CAIR and the other organizations should be doing everything they can to counter the negative images of Muslims and Arabs in the media.

[DuctapeFatwa]

17. Yes, there are 2 reasons. Ignorance and hatred

And both are quite evident in the media.

The demonization has been quite successful with affluent whites.

Apparently there are some things money really can't buy.

[sistersofmercy]

29. No not to all!

The demonization has worked only for the ignorant, it really has nothing to do with money. But ignorance and hatred do generally go hand in hand.

[DuctapeFatwa]

30. You are right. Not all. :)

And I know it is a generalization, but people who have less in a material sense, in my opinion, tend to be more accepting of people based solely on the content of their character. It is probably a do as you would be done by thing.

OK, time for a break. I will try to post something sensible about CAIR, with a link, for those who are interested, at a later time.

[_Jumper_]

47. It has been proven that education reduces prejudice

Since there is a link between education and income I disagree with you.

[_Jumper_]

36. CAIR and co.

Haven't done enough to combat ignorance and reduce hatred.

[sistersofmercy]

38. I'm sorry to but in, I think our doodoo in the WH has done nothing to

help!

[_Jumper_]

63. That is because his minions are part of the problem

The religious right, Faux News, and talk radio are major reasons this is happening.

[Fatima]

59. So what do you expect CAIR to do???

What are they supposed to do, exactly? They have helped produce videos, psas, and other informational material, but what else do you expect them to do? Apologize for Osama? I do see your point but what do you expect CAIR to do?

[_Jumper_]

45. Why single out affluent whites?

Islamophobia comes in all colors and classes.:(

[PsychoDad]

20. American Muslims spoke out against 9/11

The American media did not cover it in most cases, or readers chose to ignore it when it was.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Perhaps you will find enough condimnation there.

But what truly shocks me is your seeming attitude that the American muslim community somehow deserves this treatment. That violence is a just desert because you thought that there was not enough outcry from the muslim community. Did you ever do a simple google to see if there was any?

Many germans felt the jews got what they deserved too. Thankfully history has proven them wrong.

[Fatima]

23. Huh? Plenty of us condemned the attacks

and plenty of us, myself included, are US military veterans who have done plenty for this country.

You are part of the problem, I see. How sad for you.

[_Jumper_]

39. I am a victim

I'm of South Asian descent. I hate CAIR and co. for failing to deal with the PR problems created by 9/11. How many times did someone from CAIR or the AMC say "We condemn it BUT...look at the root causes"? Do you realize how much damage that did??????? They should have uneqivocally denounced them instead of acting as moutpieces of the Arabs. A national march would have done wonders...

The sad fact is that most people don't know about the condemnations(look at what Freepers say about Muslims). The only way to get the message across to the public is through something that would be the #1 national story. Only a national Muslim march could accomplish that...

[DuctapeFatwa]

54. To jumper, I believe in free speech, and I do not hit ALERT on posts

However, I would like to ask you, with all respect, to consider the implications of declaring that a non-profit organization "has blood on its hands."

If you made such a statement in "meatspace," I believe that it would constitute a legally actionalble statement, if the victim chose to pursue it through the courts.

Although blaming Muslims in general for the 9-11 events enjoys great popularity in the US, the fact is that it has not been established with any degree of credibility who planned, executed and profited from the 9-11 events.

The bush regime prefers that these events not be looked into too closely, so an independent and thorough investigation is unlikely at this time.

That being said, common sense tells us that blaming any ethnic or religious group is to say the least, misguided.

[_Jumper_]

65. I went too far

However, I believe they have not done enough to reduce the massive anti-Muslim anti-Brown sentiment in America.

[PsychoDad]

75. anti-Muslim anti-Brown sentiment

I think are 2 differnt problems with the same root. The root is of course prejudice. Anti-brown sentiment is already greatly entrenched in this country, The Islamic boogyman is a new spectre being used to keep people afraid.

The only way to fight this is through tollerance on our part and to keep trying to remind others that we are a single family of humanity.

I've been thinking about your suggestion of a muslim march, and I wonder if it wouldn't have hurt more than helped after 9/11. Just envision a couple hundred thousand muslims marching on washingto while the fear and horror of 9/11 was still fresh in the minds of americans. I think it would have turned bloody fast, and the media would have blamed the muslims in the march.

Education, tollerance and persistance is the key here.

[Trek234]

57. Muslims are in no way obligated

to prove there loyalty to the racist morons in this nation.

Do you REALLY think a muslim march to condemn the attacks (which many right wingers may see as some kind of admission of guilt for them) would stop racist attacks? "Oh look I'm a racist and they just marched in protest! I'm not a racist anymore"

[_Jumper_]

67. Their loyalty is questioned by the ignorant

If they were able to convince more people they were loyal the discrimination and hatred of them would decline.

A Muslim march would greatly reduce the level of discrimination against them. Many people are on the fence and this would sway a lot of them onto the right side.

Racist? Islam is a religion, not a race.

[DuctapeFatwa]

79. Loyal to what? the bush regime? the Crusade? the occupation of Palestine?

Anglo-American adventurism and profiteering in the Middle East for 80 years?

"you are with us or you are with the terrrorists?"

"we don't need evidence, we know he's guilty?"

Torture? Slaughter of civilians? Policy of Starvation?

Suspension of civil liberties?

Using the Constitution for toilet paper?

Pre-emptive invasion and occupation of other countries?

Eliminating the middle class?

Poverty, no access to health care or housing?

Shoot, I reckon you'll find people of all faiths who aren't loyal to that.

I've never been prouder to be an Enemy of the State.

[_Jumper_]

80. Loyal to the entity called the United States of America

n/t

[DuctapeFatwa]

83. When that entity no longer stands for all the things in my previous post

Talk to me.

Believe me, you do NOT want Muslims to march to show loyalty to America.

You're probably too young to remember it, but a whole mess of black folks marched to show their loyalty to America a long time ago, across a bridge down in Alabama, and again up to Washington, DC.

Most likely we have different ideas about what America is and what constitutes loyalty to it.

If I were able, I'd show my loyalty to America by marching the entire PNAC oligarchy off to the Hague, nationalizing the oil companies, putting the defense countries to work making something useful instead of weapons, and call in international monitors to hold free and open elections where EVERYBODY voted.

[Fescue4u]

91. I agree, btw where is Bin Laden Fat Wah?

Islamic leaders, is their infinite wisdom put a murder contract out on Salmon Rushdie (Mafioso style) because he insulted iSlam.

But didnt Bin Laden insult iSlam to by murdering innocents in the name of Islam?

Apparently not, since no Fat Wah has been issued for the man (Bin laden) who done more damage to Islam than any man in history.

Perhaps this is because Bin Laden represents the essence of islam.

[DuctapeFatwa]

93. So would you put only Muslims in the camps or Muslim sympathizers too?

In reality, Agent bin Laden represents the essence of covert CIA operations.

To many people, he represents the essence of resistance to US imperialism.

[_Jumper_]

94. Really????

NO Muslim leader has issued a fatwa against Bin Laden? Not even American and other Western Muslim leaders?

I wouldn't go as far as saying that if they haven't done it Bin Laden represents Islam but it would mean that a subtantial number of Muslims sympathize with Bin Laden. Hence it was too politically costly for leaders to issue a fatwa against him.

[Selwynn]

9. So incredibly sad!

Hate is just the total enemy of everything good... that's not to be confused with "righteous" indignation at the perpertrators of demonizing anti-muslim campaigns!

I wan to commit right now to having a keen and open eye in my own community and taking a rigorous and agressive stand against these kind of sentiments!

[jiacinto]

15. This is horrible

nt

[Fatima]

21. And people ask me why I don't wear hijab...

and by the way, I live in Virginia. According to CAIR, Virginia is #1 in hate crimes against Muslims.

Thanks for posting this. Some people on this board, they know who they are, are in denial about the extent of this problem.

[jiacinto]

25. That doesn't surprise me

The VA Suburbs are home to a lot of Muslim immigrants. I grew up in the DC area and my best friend is an Arab who is a Muslim. And while we grew up in Maryland he often went to VA.

[DuctapeFatwa]

26. And others don't see it as a problem at all

And this is supposed to be the bleeding edge of "progressive" sites...

[_Jumper_]

40. Many here are part of the problem

Read any thread about immigration. After a short while Muslim immigration to Europe will be mentioned and many of the comments by DU'ers will be on par with Freeper comment about Hispanic immigrants or African-Americans.

[sistersofmercy]

33. Here in St Louis,

There was an incident at a muslim school, it was most vicious in my opinion because it involved children. From what I remember, some stupid piece of poo, called the children names, like terrorists, I cried that day for the children, bless their sweet hearts.
The only other incident I know of was again some stupid piece of poo vandalized a buddhist temple thinking it was a mosque.
Ignorance is a terrible, terrible thing.

[Fatima]

35. I couldn't agree more. Ignorance is the enemy of mankind.

This thread depresses me to no end. We should save our anger for the truly deserving, like Limbaugh (and yes, OSAMA et al). I don't even know why I am wasting my time with this.

[sistersofmercy]

41. No it is not...

a waste of time, some ppl will make you angry and others will reach out, so I think it is good and not wasteful. Certain issues really get to us and we misunderstand what it is exactly others are saying.
So we you should reach out to them. Well that's just my opinion, what do I know anyway.

[Scott Lee]

56. Hello to Fatima!!! LTNS

I hope I have the right one - were you hanging out for awhile on CoolChat #news_cafe? This is Chicago7! How the hell you been?

[IranianDemocrat]

66. Fatima, did you and your fellow muslims ever hold rallies against 9-11?

NO.

It's so easy to rally against Israel, but not for your country.

I have no sympathy.

[_Jumper_]

69. I'm not a Muslim but I suffer because of that fact

You probably are suffering from it too, unless you're a very light-skinned person of Iranian descent.

That does raise a lot of questions. Muslim organizations can march against Israel and march against war in Iraq but they couldn't march to show support for America to help them.

This isn't politically correct but the sad fact is that Muslim organizations are run by fundies(Just like most religious organizations) who care more about being mouthpieces of the Arabs than America. Look at the ISNA conventions for the past two years. They merely echoed the talking points of the Arabs leagues both times, with apparently no understanding that it would damage their community. :eyes:

[PsychoDad]

77. You mean like these?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0909-02.htm
In Oakland, nearly 250 people with anti-war signs marched halfway around Lake Merritt and attended a memorial gathering with East Bay Muslims at the Islamic Cultural Center of Northern California.

The Oakland march began with Moina Noor, director of American Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism, condemning the Sept. 11 attacks as "an act of criminal and brutal aggression against our nation." The attacks also amounted to "the hijacking of our religion in the name of God, Islam and Muhammad, our beloved prophet."

[Ms. Clio]

88. this post ain't nuthin but shit

per usual

[Name removed]

89. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[PsychoDad]

28. How American Muslims responded to 9/11

http://www.mediamonitors.net/riadabdelkarim3.html

On September 11, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest grassroots American Muslim civil rights and advocacy group, distributed a statement which read: "We condemn in the strongest terms possible what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts. All members of the Muslim community are asked to offer whatever help they can to the victims and their families. Muslim medical professionals should go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims."

Edited to add quote

[arcane1]

31. and now, we have 20 million angry, idle dittoheads out there

[Terwilliger]

32. This coincides with the trial of the man who killed the Sikh in Arizona

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-09-03-sikh-shooting_x.htm

Man goes on trial for killing Arizona Sikh after Sept. 11

MESA, Ariz. (AP) — A man accused of fatally shooting an Indian immigrant four days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks was acting out of a rage fueled by prejudice, a prosecutor said in opening statements of the man's trial. The man's attorney argued mental illness was to blame.

On the day of the terrorist attacks, Frank Silva Roque was overheard saying he would shoot people whom he described with an ethnic slur, prosecutor Vince Imbordino said as the murder trial opened Tuesday.

<snip> ...MORE...

[sistersofmercy]

34. I truly hate that story!

I wish I could wrap my fingers around that psychopaths neck. GRRRR!
Puhhh! Mental illness? Try worthless not even close to being human! GRRRRR!

[Oilwellian]

43. And now that their beloved Rush is gone...

Mike Malloy predicted tonight we'll see a rise in murders and suicides in the next few weeks, as a result of Rush not giving them their daily fixes anymore.

This is such a sad story. :(

[_Jumper_]

44. Can anyone post this on FR?

Let's see what their reaction to this is...

[Fatima]

46. For the haters- by the way- one more tidbit for you

the Nobel Peace Prize just went to an Iranian Muslim woman who is a champion of peace, social justice and human rights.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1010-01.htm

When Pat Robertson wins a Nobel Prize, give me a shout, will ya?

[_Jumper_]

49. Post that on FR

:D

[Robin Hood]

48. Didn't the Muslim community overwhelmingly vote for Bush?

Hmmm.

[_Jumper_]

50. Arabs did at a 70% clip

Muslims were probably divide because black Muslims went for Gore overwhelmingly.

[Fatima]

60. Most Muslims in this country are not Arab

and most Arabs here are not Muslim. Many are Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi and Palestinian Christian. Surprise!

I believe the numbers for Bush were because many Muslims are conservative socially (I am liberal) , but be sure Bush will not enjoy the same popularity again in 2004.

Methinks the Gitmo situation and the mass roundups and deportations, not to mention two illegal wars on Muslims, might have something to do with it.

So don't worry.

[_Jumper_]

71. Two illegal wars?

What else should he have done in response to the Taliban-backed attack on America???

[Terwilliger]

52. Better question: do you think they will again??

:shrug:

[varun]

76. they may vote for Bush again...

http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=2354

Arab, Muslim Vote Still in Play for Next Year's Election

by Churck McCutcheon
Religion News Service

WASHINGTON -- Despite Muslims' and Arab-Americans' frustration with President Bush over what they perceive as unfair treatment, Democrats shouldn't automatically expect those voters to swing their way in 2004, Arab and Muslim leaders say.

Bush captured a majority of the Arab and Muslim vote in 2000 after he joined GOP activists in reaching out to their leaders. But many of those leaders have been upset by the Justice Department's treatment of Muslims and
Arabs since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

...

The Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington, the largest
Islamic civil liberties group, released a poll after the 2000 election showing that 72 percent of Muslims voted for Bush, 8 percent for Democrat Al Gore and 19 percent for Ralph Nader, a Lebanese-American.

Only around 25 percent of Arab-Americans are Muslims. Many of the rest of Muslims are African-Americans who are strongly inclined to back Democrats -- a fact that some activists say increases the likelihood that the Muslim
and Arab vote could be split next year....

[Terwilliger]

87. this article is not good support for your assertion

The only folks in the article that said Arabs and Muslims might favor Bush were Spence Abraham and Darrell Issa :puke: :puke:

The other contention of the article was Democrats did not necessarily own Arab/Muslim support, but that didn't mean they'd vote for Bush either.

[Kamika]

68. yep

because of religious reasons :(


Im pretty sure they wont do that again, just hope they will actually vote and not just sit at home

[DuctapeFatwa]

53. For those who are interested, a link to CAIR

From the CAIR Website:

"The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) is a non-profit, grassroots membership organization. We have headquarters in Washington, D.C., and CAIR chapters across America. CAIR was established to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America. We believe misrepresentations of Islam are most often the result of ignorance on the part of non-Muslims and reluctance on the part of Muslims to articulate their case."

http://www.cair-net.org

[_Jumper_]

73. Their executive director is a Hezbollah/Hamas supporter

That will really promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims. :eyes:

[DuctapeFatwa]

81. Smuggling contraband food and water to Palestinian children

Both Hizbollah and Hamas engage in this perfidious activity, there are reports that the political wings of both have even been instrumental in getting medical care to Palestinian civilians in direct defiance of Israeli orders that they be left to bleed to death.

[_Jumper_]

82. Nevertheless, you must agree

That having a supporter of those two groups as their executive director hurts their cause.

[DuctapeFatwa]

84. No, sir, I do not. Since their cause is that those kids get food and water

To oppose that cause is anti-Americanism at its most classic.

A very smart man named Langston Hughes said it much better than I can:

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

[_Jumper_]

85. It is absurd to consider that anti-American

I never said that. However, they are still terrorist groups. CAIR having an executive director who supports Islamic extremist terrorists hurts CAIR's cause.

[DuctapeFatwa]

90. Since terrorism is any opposition or resistance to bush or sharon regimes

Being a terrorist still has something of a stigma with bush regime loyalists and zionist/raptuready extremists.

The rest of the world, as you might expect, has a different view.

[Kamika]

64. man that killed a sikh got death penalty

There was a guy some days after 911 that killed a indian thinking he was a muslim, he got the death penalty last tuesday.

felt great

[_Jumper_]

72. Weren't you making bigoted statements about Muslim immigrants to Europe...

...just last week????

[Kamika]

74. no?

everything i say is based on facts or experience.

[_Jumper_]

78. Where are the facts?

About Muslims not assimilating in Europe, being welfare leeches, and being criminal? I asked you to provide facts to support your claims but you didn't...

[Undemcided]

70. There is too much ignorance on all sides.

n/t