VERY frightening: "There are certain dark secrets we have to protect"

[Mairead]

The chairman of the House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee on Wednesday said he backs the creation of an anti- terrorism center beyond the reach of public scrutiny.

"There are certain dark secrets we have to protect," Harold Rogers, R-Ky., told a homeland security conference sponsored by Equity International. The Terrorist Threat Integration Center (TTIC) established earlier this year by presidential order "is designed to do ... what I am saying."

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1003/100803td1.htm

[havocmom]

1. A democracy is not more safe when less transparent

It says, right there at the beginning. "We the People..."
Not: a few select people, who shall hence forth remain nameless, faceless, and accountable to no one...

[arcane1]

2. "we expect there to be transparency..."

"people who have got something to hide make us nervous"

George W Bush, discussing Iraq, Feb 16, 2002


'nuff said

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Exactly why you make us nervous, Georgie.

Do these people even remember what they say, do they think we don't?

[Mikimouse]

3. Be afraid,...be Very afraid

I am not at all sure how this situation has seemed to accelerate, but I must agree with the previous post. I am beginning to think that the only solution to the problem is the emergence of real activism on the part of the people. Not just the libs.; not the conservatives; not the libertarians; ALL of the people who recognize that we are heading in a direction of absolute plutocracy. Now, before I get accused of being overly idealistic, let me say that it is not likely to happen anytime soon. Rather, what I do expect to see is an increase in alliances with Russia, the European Union, and the Middle East, to counter the rise of US imperialism. Our economy might suffer for a while, but apparently we only learn if it bites us in the wallet. (cynicism off).

[pansypoo53219]

4. the Bushivics

must be a bunch of vampires cause they sure don't like sunshine.

[maggrwaggr]

5. isn't that what the CIA is for?

Man, these republican guys are scary.

[pretzel4gore]

10. our job is to tell!

email copy of this everywhere...even freepers can see this is nuts(!)

[Mz Pip]

6. Dark secrets, indeed.

Of course these creeps want their secrets protected because if the general population got wind of what they were doing and planning, they just might get voted out of office.

This paternalist "Trust us. We're doing everything in the best interest of the country." is just PR bullshit.

Open it all up and let us decide.

MzPip
:dem:

[grasswire]

7. what freaks me out....

....is the fact that members of the committees that oversee intelligence are going around to these private contractors and holding seminars and making black op agreements and purchases that deal with DOMESTICS -- not spies, not foreigners, not overseas intelligence. DOMESTICS means us. In their literature, they call us "urban hostiles."

[IndianaGreen]

8. Nothing like having an American Gestapo!

I am leaving this country if Bush wins in 2004. If the majority of Amnericans cannot see how far into fascism we have sunk, is not for me to jeopardize myself or my loved ones for such fools.

Canada here I come!

[Junkdrawer]

9. If we allow our government to "protect us" from our government's...

dark secrets, how hard is it to believe this same government wouldn't rig the vote counting process to "protect us" from accidentally electing the wrong people?

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Not hard at all

I fully expect them to rig '04 to protect themselves, not us. I think we are just kidding ourselves if we think they won't.

[hunter]

12. Harold Rogers is whacked...

Poor guy. He's seen the secret videos of President Bush having sex with

[Mairead]

14. bump

this is too scary to let vanish

[Mairead]

28. yab

[neebob]

15. "Certain dark secrets ..."

Booga booga!

[screaming_meme]

16. Fear fear fear fear scary fear

Someone chastised me about complaining about all the scardey-cat threads on DU. There are at least four fear-mongering threads a day on DU. I'm fucking sick of it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. I have a solution for you

No need to be "fucking sick of it" anymore. Just go away, and you'll feel much better.

And maybe in your absence, you'll realize that there's a big difference between buying into fear-mongering and keeping tabs on what our elected and appointed thug criminals are up to.

[screaming_meme]

18. Nah, I think I will stick around

You people need help.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Well, you get high marks

If you're trying to sound like Ross Perot, that is.

As to addressing what was directed at you, you're coming up short. I don't need substandard help, thanks.

By the way, aren't you the same person that wanted Israel to have nuclear weapons so that they could defend themselves against "muslim culture", or am I confusing you with some other poor befuddled soul?

[Minstrel Boy]

21. Think I've seen enough

from you, here and on other threads, to know I won't be missing anything but aggro by putting you on ignore.

Sadly, I seem to be doing that a lot lately. I don't know if you're a disrupter, but disruptions seem to follow in your wake, and that's not what I'm here to see.

[havocmom]

20. Second that motion, if the boards bring up too much, leave

There is a lot of middle ground between fear mongoring and wandering around with eyes closed singing "Don't Worry, Be Happy". If the Resident & Co wants us to be less worried, why are they hiding so much?
Our form of government is built upon the notion of an informed public being involved in the business of government. Anyone who wants the public to be less informed is a threat to us all.

Gads, I know that twerp Bush looked too much like Alfred E. Newman when he ran in 2000....

[nolabels]

26. Informed about what? or may I ask

Fear only works when someone has some kind of notion that they need to be controlled by a force outside themselves. Abandoning the whole notion of an emotion based action criteria to go to a place of reason and measured tempered planning and actions is what makes people different from animals.

It may be impossible for any person to separate themselves from their emotions for they are an interregnal part of who they are. The difference is when someone lets something or someone else control their emotions with the push of a button. Emotions have the short circuit switch to everyone’s intellect.

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art_bb.html
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art263.html
Television & The Hive Mind

By Mack White
[e-mail]
8-23-03


Sixty-four years ago this month, six million Americans became unwitting subjects in an experiment in psychological warfare.

It was the night before Halloween, 1938. At 8 p.m. CST, the Mercury Radio on the Air began broadcasting Orson Welles' radio adaptation of H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds. As is now well known, the story was presented as if it were breaking news, with bulletins so realistic that an estimated one million people believed the world was actually under attack by Martians. Of that number, thousands succumbed to outright panic, not waiting to hear Welles' explanation at the end of the program that it had all been a Halloween prank, but fleeing into the night to escape the alien invaders.

Later, psychologist Hadley Cantril conducted a study of the effects of the broadcast and published his findings in a book, The Invasion from Mars: A Study in the Psychology of Panic. This study explored the power of broadcast media, particularly as it relates to the suggestibility of human beings under the influence of fear. Cantril was affiliated with Princeton University's Radio Research Project, which was funded in 1937 by the Rockefeller Foundation. Also affiliated with the Project was Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member and Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) executive Frank Stanton, whose network had broadcast the program. Stanton would later go on to head the news division of CBS, and in time would become president of the network, as well as chairman of the board of the RAND Corporation, the influential think tank which has done groundbreaking research on, among other things, mass brainwashing.

Two years later, with Rockefeller Foundation money, Cantril established the Office of Public Opinion Research (OPOR), also at Princeton. Among the studies conducted by the OPOR was an analysis of the effectiveness of "psycho-political operations" (propaganda, in plain English) of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Then, during World War II, Cantril÷and Rockefeller money÷assisted CFR member and CBS reporter Edward R. Murrow in setting up the Princeton Listening Center, the purpose of which was to study Nazi radio propaganda with the object of applying Nazi techniques to OSS propaganda. Out of this project came a new government agency, the Foreign Broadcast Intelligence Service (FBIS). The FBIS eventually became the United States Information Agency (USIA), which is the propaganda arm of the National Security Council.

Thus, by the end of the 1940s, the basic research had been done and the propaganda apparatus of the national security state had been set up--just in time for the Dawn of Television ...

Experiments conducted by researcher Herbert Krugman reveal that, when a person watches television, brain activity switches from the left to the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere is the seat of logical thought. Here, information is broken down into its component parts and critically analyzed. The right brain, however, treats incoming data uncritically, processing information in wholes, leading to emotional, rather than logical, responses. The shift from left to right brain activity also causes the release of endorphins, the body's own natural opiates--thus, it is possible to become physically addicted to watching television, a hypothesis borne out by numerous studies which have shown that very few people are able to kick the television habit
(snip)

[Sick of Bullshit]

22. "Certain dark secrets..."

Like "who was actually behind 9-11" and "what was discussed at Cheney's secret energy meetings"

[emad]

23. Q.V. Dr Kelly's "Many Dark Actors"?????

Is this what the 'dark secrets' is all about???

[CWebster]

24. Extremely troubling

Recently had a negative encounter with Homeland security in a small airport where I was harassed and treated as a suspect. Once it hits home, the reality becomes a looming fear.

[Mairead]

25. Would you feel comfortable telling us about it?

[psychopomp]

27. Evidence, from the article

on why the country has just about hit a new high in lows:

-snip-
Technology also figured prominently in Rogers' remarks. He said the private sector is going to help win the war on terrorism with new ideas, much as it did in World War II. "When we win the war, we will be able to attribute it to how well we used our technological know-how," he said.

"We're flooded with ideas and gizmos and things that will help us protect ourselves," he said, adding that the creations show American ingenuity at work. "The secret will be to take the myriad of ideas out there" and work them into a coordinated, standardized system.
-snip-

All of this rolled into a black budget and completely unaccountable. They could be working on AI-enhanced "superfowl" and nobody would know. At any rate, using overwhelming tech advantage is not going to make terrorism go away. Why not concentrate on the factors that lead people and groups to form secret cliques dedicated to violent oppositon to the U.S.A?

As for the "dark secrets," it's a reference to the traitorous mechinations of the PNAC'ers or it has something to do with that jar with Hitler's brain in it that is sitting in the WH basement...

[rhite5]

29. Very frightening, indeed

As noted above, it ties in with the addictive and seductive aspects of television -- the perfect medium for delivering propaganda and thought control. It must be resisted.

[PATRICK]

30. Another cowed legislator

whose been given "inside" information. That is the first impression one gets when they address the issue like this. We need someone less likely to blanche at slanted info release by agnecy types and more critical of the process.

It could be anyone with a public responsibility who has been spoonfed privileged stuff and falls into line by falling to their knees.

Think. With greater transparency overall the ones creating the problems
would be as ravaged as those managing the problems. Of course it has to be done intelligently so that the first to get outed are not security operations doing their jobs or partisan foes in internal politics.

This however sounds like an amazed dope fearfully ducking his job.
Fear? His career? The last time I looked it was the constituemnts who are doing all the dying and the fighting- and the going broke.