Rumor - Arnie on dialysis

[Noordam]

From one of my Florida Grandmothers :)


"Bill, that was an item from a group I belong to. I say, let's publish every incident reported! Feel free to post below on DU too. I think the HEALTH issues are very important. If Arnold is on dialysis--the voters had a right to know that! It is common knowledge that the use of steroids, which judging from his appearance for many years, Arnold may have used, wreaks havoc on one's health later in life. We know he had to have serious heart surgery to repair a life-threatening problem 3 or 4 years ago. And NO, he did not apologize, in my opinion. He made the lame statement, "Where there is smoke, there is fire." His meaning being: if some dumb broad dresses and presents her provocative body to me, yes, she is asking for a man like my magnificent hunk of testosterone to put my hands on her, and that is OK. UNBELIEVABLE. JanL"

The source of the rumor is from the T3 movie set. If Arnie was on dialysis, the movie industry would not want the word out that Terminator is on dialysis.


But more important IMHO, is if he is on dialysis, then he could have lost a lot of Terminator voters.

[dutchdemocrat]

1. Legs...

I do not think this was healthy but neither is the sport itself. Bodybuilders (serious types) build up there bodies to the exclusion of most everything else. They typically make choices that are not good for them like steroid use. Their choice - their body. Many of them are probably happy with it. However, this is not what we need to discuss as "healthy". I read that part of Arnold Swartzenegger's contract for movies was dialysis machines for his degenerated kidneys.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:MBwp4AcdLkkJ:www.baue.org/health/diet/JJ_Diet_Mail_2.doc+%22swartzenegger%22+%22dialysis%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[dutchdemocrat]

2. CNN pulled it.

I am not thinking of this as ammunition.I am just curious. Kidney problems should not be an issue. He would get big sympathy lust on this. Not usable. Just curious I am.

Link from here

http://www.renalweb.com/archives_news.htm

Goes to here.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/11/timep.arnold.tm/

[The Zanti Regent]

16. Look at the track record

Bodybuilders Don Long and Flex Wheeler are both on dialysis due to their steroid abuse. Lyle Alzado died from abusing HGH. There are plenty of others in the same boat including a bunch of Hollywood types!

Many others, like wrestler "Superstar" Billy Graham wind up penniless and in a wheelchair.

[sendero]

3. requesting machines be available...

.... is not the same as "needing dialysis" necessarily. Also, anabolic steroids *might* be hard on the body, but nothing I've read has ever suggested kidneys being a problem. Sometime enlarged hearts, temporary BP problems and even liver stress - yes, kidneys, no.

My wife is a renal patient who will probably be on the translplant list soon. She's never taken any steroids :) Also, most people are not aware but once you reach the point that you require dialysis, your life expectancy is 10 years.

Just some factoids for your pleasure...

[Noordam]

4. Back in the steroids for bodybuilder days

they were illegal as I remember and there were a lot of questions on quality and this is before he was in the big money to allow him to buy only the best.

It would not change my vote if I found out that Dean was on dialysis, BUT in Arnie's case his biggest thing he had going was his Terminator Image.

[nolabels]

5. Nothing in life is free, pay now or pay later, everything has it's cost

Maybe he can be the new poster boy of what the stuff can get you. Heart disase, liver and kidney failure, personality disorders etc

http://www.erlanger.org/e/fall_2002/performanceenha.asp
(snip)
Androstenedione, also called "andro," was introduced by East German researchers in the 1970s to boost the performance of their Olympic athletes. Many health supplement companies claim that andro increases testosterone levels, but there is absolutely no convincing research that supports this claim. Actually, there is very little good research about androstenedione. Because of this, the Association of Professional Team Physicians has recommended that andro be banned from all sports. Potential complications include acne, breast enlargement, liver and heart problems, and personality disorders.

Creatine is a compound released in the body to fuel quick, explosive activities of short duration. It helps muscles get energy and reduces energy waste products. Scientific research has shown that creatine supplements can result in improvement in maximum lifting and increased speed in sprints. The concern about creatine, however, is that it could have a negative long-term effect on the kidneys. Since the liver makes most of the body's creatine and the kidneys remove the excess, taking creatine in high doses could cause kidney failure. Though there is not much research on the side effects of creatine, it is known that creatine draws water out of the muscles and can cause cramps. Therefore, adequate water consumption is imperative if this supplement is taken.
(snip)

[revcarol]

6. Personality disorders I would go along with.

Like the belief that all women helpless against retaliation were there for him to grope.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

13. touche

damn good one!

[dutchdemocrat]

7. This may sound strange

But I have a rather persistant guy who's IP traces to Austria doing port scans on my computer. Zone Alarm keeps stopping it. Weird, or what?

I was googling this topic and searched a few sites.

On edit. Think I will just leave this one alone.

[leesa]

18. Why on earth would you request machines be available if you didn't

them?? I haven't any idea if any of this is true, but I simply can't understand your comment. Would someone just like to have an extremely expensive piece of equipment around just to look at them? You either need them or you don't.

[dofus]

8. Being on kidney dialysis

takes up a serious amount of time every week.

My brother is on it, as well as the transplant list, has been for about three years now. He goes in three days a week to the dialysis center, and is there about three hours at a time. Since he no longer drives and is picked up and brought home by a shuttle service, the entire thing takes about six hours three days a week. I realize that if it's being done privately, in the home, it's going to be just whatever the actualy time on the dialysis machine, but still.

Since this hadn't come out before, I'm not convinced it's true. This is not something that can be done quietly in one's spare time very easily.

Certainly it's true that Arnold was a serious user of steroids in his body-building youth, and the side effects and long term consequences of those things are well documented.

But I think the crucial thing about Arnold is that he had absolutely no qualifications for being governor, and was only elected because of the "glamour" factor. He's in for a real shock when he discovers that the budget deficit won't magically go away because he tells it to.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Maybe Osama and Arnie

Can go in together for a couple of machines and get a discount?

[radfringe]

10. considering that whistleass has a VP

with a heart condition, and this hasn't seemed to "hurt" him - I doubt that AHH-nuld being on dialysis would have much effect

NOW - if one of the Dem candidates had a medical condition - that would be NEWS
:evilgrin:

[Noordam]

12. I do not know I know in the exit polls

they were talking to Terminator groupies that said they never voted before but they got out to vote for Terminator.

[spooky3]

11. I love your grandma! :-)

[morebunk]

14. No proof, but not out of the question considering use of steroids for

body-building.

[radwriter0555]

15. I'd heard this from a movie star chiropractor I used to go to

some 10+ years ago.

Kidney damage from all the steroids.

Who knows... ?

[The Zanti Regent]

17. Steroids plus high doses of creatine effectively kill the kidneys

Especially high doses of creatine and consumption of a high protien Atkins-type diet causes massive destruction to the kidneys!