Cuba will be the way Bush* gains the Presidency in 2004

[NaMeaHou]

Can you imagine the support he'll get when Cuba no longer has Castro in place? I can see this happening in the near future, possibly early next year, and * will get all the credit. The good will towards him will be flowing like champagne.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/10/world/main577549.shtml

(CBS/AP) President Bush announced plans to tighten the economic screws on Fidel Castro's Cuba, hoping to hasten the end of the island's communist regime – and win support form a key constituency in Florida.

"Clearly the Castro regime will not change by its own choice, but Cuba must change," Mr. Bush said at a Rose Garden ceremony Friday morning.

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[Jester_11218]

1. Voter fruad will be the way he wins, if he does

Keep an eye on the Deibold situation.

Check out sites like blackboxvoting.org, opednews.com and whatreallyhappened.com. They cover the voting fraud situation well.

We are worried about polls that won't matter if the voting system is rigged!

[Kitsune]

2. Or blatant media cheerleading

ala Arnold.

[Warpy]

8. Agreed.

There are only two ways Bush can win: looking "presidential" after another large terror attack, or massive voter fraud.

The average Joe doesn't really give a hoot about Cuba. Oh, he knows Castro's a godless Communist, but he hasn't lost a job that's been shipped to Cuba, his country has never been attacked by Cuba (not even a rammed fishing boat, ferkrissakes), and he isn't allowed to read any of Castro's rhetoric (since most of it contains stuff he'd really like to have here, like increased literacy and a national health system). Cuba's just sort of an amusing irritant to most of them. They know it's there, they wouldn't mind if Castro were gone, but, geeze, the Cubbies might be going to the Series!

Nah, either Bush will have to destroy part of the US and then Vogue for the cameras as he stumbles with the Telepropmpter, or those video voting machines will REALLY have to be fiddled with. The former might work. There are too many people looking at the latter.

[Kamika]

3. Im not sure

Think of it. If we do Anything it has to be assasination of Castro OR ground assault. Can you imagine how Bush would lose cuban votes if he would bomb havanna like he bombed baghdad.

People here would actually care if those ppl died.

[NaMeaHou]

6. The American troops wouldn't be the ones to "liberate"

It would be trained exiles. Also, the covert nature of it would not necessitate a large invasion force. Over the years, there are undoubtedly numerous agents in place for the inevitability of the end of the Castro regime. There will be chaos, and the US will have to step in to assist.

[Mika]

4. Dream on

"Can you imagine the support he'll get when Cuba no longer has Castro in place?"


Flowers for our troops, right?

The Cubans people kicked ass on a fully supported US puppet, Batista, and they mounted a significant defense at Playa Giron (Bay of Pigs). The Castro brothers just about wrote the book on guerilla wafare, and are masters at the 'win their hearts and minds' campaign. Cuba has a HUGE civillian militia, and Cubans aren't about to just hand over everything they have worked for over the last 40+ years to the aggressor who has threatened them over those decades.




"The good will towards him will be flowing like champagne. "


Dream on. Unlike Iraq, Cuba has support the world over. Every other country in the world has good relations with Cuba, including many of our allies that have very large joint venture investments there. The US gets near unanimous condemnation in the UN for its treatment of Cuba. Cubans do not hate Castro, as the "exiles" in Miami and the castrophobe profiteers propaganda "informs" you.

[JasonBerry]

9. Thank you, Mika

You nailed it. A Bush move - in any way - on Cuba would be an international disaster. Castro TOWERS over Bush on the world stage.

[Mikimouse]

5. I would happily extend an invitation to Georgie

to PLEASE put his hand in that hornet's nest. I suspect that there will be more than one 'protest' from the international community.

[NaMeaHou]

7. Georgie has proven he doesn't give a damn about

the international community or their thoughts on any policy of his administration. It's all about getting elected.

[Mika]

12. A majority of Americans want to normalize relations w/ Cuba

I really don't think that attacking Cuba militarily is a selling point for w*, even among repukes.

Cubans wouldn't consider an American invasion as liberation for one minute. Resistance would be almost universal. The troop losses would be high.

The hard core "exiles" in Miami are in the stark minority among the Cuban-American community. Several thousand, and not many more. The majority of the Cuban-American community consider the US their permanent home, and they desire dialog and normalization between Americans and Cubans in Cuba. They would never support a bloody invasion (which is what it would be) because their families live in Cuba.

[NaMeaHou]

13. As I pointed out earlier

there would be no invasion needed. Exiles and carefully placed individuals would be able to take control without a liberation or invasion. The media would spin it as a great day for democracy, and * would land in Havana to declare it a free nation once again.

This is not just a fairy tale.
Does anyone doubt that there are many people in positions of power today that were placed there by the CIA? They are only awaiting the right moment, and I think it may occur soon.

[PsN2Wind]

14. Say it again

I guess if the same thing is repeated for 40 years or more, it might eventually happen.

[Mikimouse]

15. Hmmm, sounds kinda like what we were hearing right before

The Bay of Pigs picnic.

[NaMeaHou]

17. Yep

and this administration is prepared to make a move of some type. Castro is old.

Consider that * does everything for the polls. He can't risk another invasion until after the election. He can't risk another terrorist attack because it would point out the failed security system. How best to get a majority of americans to support him? Get rid of the Cuban "threat." It wouldn't take much to accomplish it. This is not the early '60s.

[Mika]

19. Castro is old

"How best to get a majority of americans to support him? Get rid of the Cuban "threat." "


And what "threat" would that be?

[NaMeaHou]

23. Beats me, but then I'm not in *'s head.

He must have some "threat" in mind or he wouldn't be pushing for this to happen. Of course, it will not be an actual threat, but that doesn't prevent him from making one up.

[guajira]

27. B*'s "Threat" is that Miami Batistianos Won't Vote for Him

The pResident's Cuba policy is based strictly on what Miami Batistianos tell him to do. When they threaten him, he panders. That is his only Cuban "threat"!!!

[Mika]

30. W*'s new policy is pure pandering to the "exiles" in Miami only

Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is a serious initiative. Its about profiteering - on our tax dollars.

Whistleass is blowing smoke to keep the Cuban-American reps, who have been grumbling, quieted down.. and to do that all he has to do is funnel more of our tax dollars to line the pockets of CEO's of the various hundreds of "free Cuba" foundations that pepper S Florida.


"Fighting" Castro from S Florida is a multi billion dollar business, and a lot of that loot ends up in political campaigns (both Dems and repukes). NO ONE really wants to get rid of Castro so fast, especially the S Florida politicians that run against him in Florida elections. Maintaining the illusion that Castro is a bloody dictator who rules Cuba with an iron fist singlehandedly for as long as possible is in their best interest.


Most political tacticians know that the higher the threat from an enemy (the US, in this case), the greater the support for the leadership (President Castro in Cuba, in this case). This is part of the plan in using the hard core extremist "exiles" in Miami that our pols pander to. They aren't going back. They don't really care about Cuba or Cubans. They are 'in it' for the money.. our tax dollars.

No Castro - no profitable anti Castro campaign.

[Mika]

18. As I pointed out earlier too

While an attempt of the sort you describe might be in the works, the Cuban people would just not roll over and accept a takeover that you describe.. ESPECIALLY if "exiles" were involved.




".. and * would land in Havana to declare it a free nation once again."


a)-Just like he did in Baghdad.
b)-Flowers for the "exiles" and the CIA.

Fairy tales.

[John_Shadows_1]

10. those dirty Battista lovers down there ....

... they want to go back and exploit the Cuban proletariat again - maybe they want to help the mafia come back and set up their casinos.

[charlie]

11. Heh. Go for it George

Castro's thumbed his nose at 9 administrations before yours, an unmatched record for an US enemy. He'll probably cede control by dying in his sleep one day, long after you're gone.

[leesa]

16. No, doubtful this is much of an issue anywhere but Jebville

The farmers and other people who want trade WILL NOT want the island blown up and that is the only way bush knows how to conduct international diplomacy. It MAY just get the Russians, French and all the rest of the countries of the world who hate us to respond though.
They see Cuba as a viable society certainly less brutal than the US.

[NaMeaHou]

20. I agree with those responding that blowing up the island would not go over

well in the international community, or with those in Cuba. That's why it won't happen. Covertly disrupt various aspects of the society to create discontent and use it to win support for those who will assume positions of power once Castro is gone.

This could also be a way to mend fences with the CIA.

I didn't realize this thought would be so much in the minority. It was a thought that jumped into my mind while reading the news article, and wanted to get some feedback. Thanks for all your feedback.

[Mika]

24. Covert disruptors

NaMeaHou, maybe you haven't been keeping up on the news lately?

Cuban secret service recently busted over 100 of these US paid disruptors (known in the US as "dissidents") and 75 were given prison sentences.

Evidence presented against them at their trial revealed that Cuban security services have FULLY infiltrated these disruptors.



It won't be as easy as you are imagining. The Cuban government and the Cuban people are not lackadaisical about their security. The enemy has hardened them. They are always on the lookout for this type of operation. They are always a step or two ahead of the BFEE. Their survival is at stake.

[JasonBerry]

31. Right again, Mika ! The "crackdown" was legitimate...

The so-called "crackdown" only showed that the USA doesn't have a patent on "Homeland Security." The real injustice when it comes to imprisonment is in Cuba all right -- at Guantanamo Bay.

[janekat]

21. It's all over the Florida papers - front page. Pander-pander-pander

The Miami right-wing Republican Cuban's and the Sweeney-Delay-Lott gang were the one's who made Bush President the last time by shutting down the Miami recount.

They are a force to be reckoned with. They are also very good at stealing elections.

[guajira]

22. Dems Could Win - Based on Cuba Policy!!

If a Dem candidate became VERY WELL informed and were not afraid to truly speak the truth - Americans would be amazed - and B* would be reduced to defend an unpopular, disgusting policy.

Here's what Dems should expose:

Miami Cubans fly back and forth to Havana from Miami (people who claim they were persecuted in Cuba). Cubans on the island fly back and forth to the US. Americans can't!! These figures are documented!

Hundreds of millions of US tax dollars go into the pockets of Miami Cubans annually to wage their war of hate against Castro. These figures are documented!

The purpose of the embargo and travel ban is to keep Americans out of Cuba. If Miami Cubans suddenly wanted the embargo to end, the WH would do it immediately!

Most Cubans on the island want the embargo and travel ban to end because they know it doesn't help them - it hurts them.

So-called "dissidents" in Cuba are actually paid agents of US and especially Miami groups and Radio/TV Marti. The head of US Interests Section in Havana (James Cason) is also part of this US attempt to undermine Cuban government. This is documented - in fact B* has actually pledged to ramp up this effort!

The US State Dept. has allowed Americans to be made 2nd class citizens, allowing freedoms to Miami Cubans that Americans are being denied! This is documented!

If any Democratic candidates have the cojones to get all the information, they could confront B* on this issue and make him look like the pandering fool he is!

Will anyone have that kind of courage? Rep. Charlie Rangel has it, also a few other politicians. This is what will defeat B*!!!

[Mika]

26. I agree with you, guajira

The more one gets around and actually talks to people about the subject of US/Cuba relations the more one realizes that Americans are interested in opening up with Cuba (like we did with Vietnam), not attacking the island. Most people recognize that Cuba is no threat to the USA.

What most don't understand are the points that you illustrated so well.




"If any Democratic candidates have the cojones to get all the information, they could confront B* on this issue and make him look like the pandering fool he is!"


Of course, that would expose most of the Florida Dems as being the pandering fools they are too.

That is a reason that the Dems don't push against the Bushies on this issue.

Its all about pandering to wealthy special interest groups (like the monied "exile" foundation heads) for political campaign money, at the expense of our rights.

[guajira]

29. Are you referring to Panderers like our FL Senators Nelson & Graham?

Also almost every Florida US Representative.

On the recent Flake amendment vote to basically end the Travel ban against Americans, Democrats voted 173 for the amendment, and Repukes voted 166 not to support the amendment.

The number of Dems who voted against the amendment is 22. Without much research, I know that at least 13 of those Dems are from Florida.

On edit Correction: that number I was counting included the Dem and Repuke Florida Reps. - including my own Repuke Rep. Stearns (Central Fla).
The point is - all FLA politicians pander to Miami Batistianos!

Fortunately the amendment passed without those panderers votes!

[Selwynn]

25. I really don't think "anyone*" cares that much about Cuba

What I mean by that statement, is that I don't actually think Cuba, Castro or the plight of its people is anywhere on the natioanl public's radar screen. I don't consider recent cuba news to be particularly siginifcant in the greater scheme of things.

I want to be very clear what I've said is not mistaken to mean a) I don't care about cubans b) people here don't care about cubans or c) the plight of that country doesn't matter.

[Osolomia]

28. So long as Dems won’t reconcile relations with their own neighbors

and choose to ignore the bipartisan majority across the country and the world who want the sanctions against Cuba lifted now, but instead still support “regime change” no questions asked, then such Dems are no better than the Bushistas. That much is that simple for sure and the rest of the world knows it.

So far the Dems are playing dead and letting Bush and the Batistianos do whatever the hell they want in Cuba. Dems have no one to blame but themselves for blowing this one big time with their ignorant complicity.